Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” - Martin Luther King, Jr.

Tuesday, August 5, 2008

No end in sight as people march on Town Hall

"It's the action, not the fruit of the action, that's important. You have to do the right thing. It may not be in your power, may not be in your time, that there will be any fruit. But that doesn't mean you stop doing the right thing. You may never know what results come from your action. But if you do nothing, there will be no result."
~Gandhi
On Monday, about 50 concerned citizens marched on Mooresville’s town hall in a unified expression of frustration over the town’s handling of suspended police chief John Crone and his Cops for Kids program.

Crone was suspended with pay pending the results of various investigations – the completion of which, a month after being launched, is nowhere in sight.

In a statement to the press on July 8, Mayor Bill Thunberg said that “the town board … is adamant that … this matter (be) resolved in a timely fashion to preserve the public trust.”

But it appears that “timely fashion” is relative.

In his statement, released four weeks ago today, Thunberg said that Interim Town Manager Erskine Smith “is ordering an external audit be conducted of the Cops for Kids program.”


But as of late last week, Town Finance Director Maia Setzer said that the town’s first financial investigation, or audit, “is being conducted by Carolina Financial Investigations” but that the second auditing company “has not yet been contracted as I have been out of the office this week.”

Thunberg also stated in his July 8 statement: “The interim town manager is ordering an inventory of the police evidence room to be conducted to ensure that its integrity is uncompromised.”

That inventory – headed up by the State Bureau of Investigation (SBI) and town staffers – commenced this past weekend … one full month after Thunberg said it was being ordered and a month after Crone was placed on paid leave.

Thunberg’s statement also said that Smith “is initiating a complete internal investigation conducted by an independent outside party.”

Last week, Town Attorney Steve Gambill said that the town’s investigation, being conducted by former FBI agent Ken Andrews, is ongoing.

Separately, Iredell County District Attorney Garry Frank has requested an outside investigation by the SBI. Gambill said late last week that he does not know “the schedule of the SBI’s investigation.”

The N.C. Secretary of State’s investigation into Cops for Kids’ charitable solicitation license is also ongoing. The office sent a letter to Crone on July 8, which stated: “At the present time, this office can only inform the public of the unlicensed status of your organization.”

It goes on to state: “If you feel your organization qualifies for one (or more) of the listed exemptions (to the licensing requirements), please submit a specific exemption request containing documentation to support the exemption.”

Crone responded in writing on July 17. He said: “I … applied for a non-profit corporation status and a tax-exempt status through Ben Thomas, a local attorney who had agreed to do this for free. I don’t remember why we never attained either of these steps and neither did anyone else. I continued to collect the money from the annual golf tournaments and wrote checks to benefit the purpose of Cops for Kids.”

Crone told the Secretary of State’s Office that he “was not aware of the need to attain a Charitable Solicitation License in addition to trying to attain the status of being nonprofit and/or tax exempt.”

He stated that he didn’t know until July 3 of this year – the day before the Cops for Kids story broke in the Mooresville Tribune and the Report – “that we had actually attained the non-profit organization status.”

“At this time,” Crone said, “I have no idea whether we operated as part of the Town government, as an individual discretionary fund or as a non-profit corporation unbeknown to us.”

Crone goes on, however, to state that he believes the Cops for Kids program would qualify for up to two exemptions to the license requirements.

The first exemption he believes the program would meet is “Solicitation of charitable contributions by the federal, state or local government or any of their agencies.” Crone said: “We believed we operated as part of the police department of the Town of Mooresville."

Crone said if that particular exemption doesn’t apply, then he believes this one would: “Any person who receives less than twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000) in contributions in any calendar year and does not provide compensation to any officer, trustee, organizer, incorporator, fundraiser, or solicitor.” Said Crone: “No one in our organization is compensated and we don’t receive more that (sic) $25,000 a year in contributions.

“If we are mistaken,” Crone concluded, “please let me know and we will do what we need to do to correct this.”

What the Secretary of State’s investigation will determine – and when it will conclude its probe – is anyone’s guess. But it appears that Cops for Kids wouldn’t qualify for exemption under either of the provisions that Crone offered.

“Any person who receives less than twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000) in contributions in any calendar year and does not provide compensation to any officer, trustee, organizer, incorporator, fundraiser, or solicitor.”

Cops for Kids raised $24,920 during its 2007 golf tournament alone. That figure does not include any other contributions made to the organization in that year. Unfortunately, it’s impossible to determine how many other contributions were made to Cops for Kids in 2007 due to shoddy record keeping.

Though Crone stated that “no one in our organization is compensated,” that’s not entirely accurate. The Town of Mooresville compensated police officers, through salaries, who participated in fundraising efforts for Cops for Kids on town time.

That leads us to the next possible exemption, which states that organizations that operate as part of the government could be exempt from the licensing requirements.

“Solicitation of charitable contributions by the federal, state or local government or any of their agencies.”

Did Cops for Kids operate as part of the Town of Mooresville government? Solicitors were paid police officers. Additionally, Cops for Kids has made many “reimbursements” to the Town of Mooresville, indicating that tax dollars were somehow transferred to Cops for Kids over the years. For example, according to Crone’s balance sheet, Cops for Kids reimbursed the Town of Mooresville:
  • $2,302.08 in August 2005. The only detail offered: “reimburse Atlanta trip.”
  • $8,860.04 in June 2006 for an unspecified reason. Just one month before, Cops for Kids had reimbursed the town $3,305 in golf tournament fees for the organization’s annual fundraiser.
  • $1,406.89 in July 2007 for “Lodging in D.C.”
But at the same time, non-profit corporations such as Cops for Kids cannot be a part of the government. So if Cops for Kids was operated in some way by the Town of Mooresville, it appears the Secretary of State’s investigation has opened yet another can of worms in this story, leaving us once again with far more questions than answers.

122 comments:

Anonymous said...

Will this ever end?? It just seems to get worse with each passing day! This needs to be handled now. Excuses are no longer expectable!

Anonymous said...

The difference between those fighting for reform and those calling names is the difference between people who believe deeply in justice and people who cannot even imagine such a thing. What a small, dark, low existence they suffer.

Anonymous said...

We absolutely need a Recall Provision in Mooresville to allow us to recall wayward elected officials. If we had a Recall Provision, I would be calling for Mayor Thunberg's recall due to his empty promises to our community four weeks ago that he was "adamant" to handle this rotten situation "in a timely fashion to preserve public trust"!!

Anonymous said...

Bill Thunberg doesn't promise. He lies. He has perfected the art, and it has gotten him this far. But even the rewards of lying have their limits. One day it is inevitable that the lies end up making you look like he's looking right now, with all of us reading in black and white just how good he lies.

Anonymous said...

“At this time,” Crone said, “I have no idea whether we operated as part of the Town government, as an individual discretionary fund or as a non-profit corporation unbeknown to us.” You have got to be joking! Crone still does not know what CFK was after he's been out there with his hat out for ten years? And he's still on our payroll???!!!

When we look back on this one day, we will know just how many heads are gonna roll over this.

Anonymous said...

wow and hey is not in jail

Anonymous said...

Wow, Jaime. These are fantastic pictures. A picture does indeed speak a thousand words.

Anonymous said...

Great television coverage last night folks. Word must have gotten out. I was in Charlotte today and a bunch of my colleagues were asking what is happening in Mooresville. You all have sent out the S.O.S. and you're being heard. I think help may be coming soon.

Anonymous said...

Everyone strap on your tin foil hats and we can be off to the bat cave!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Go back to your koolaid, sheep woman, RR, or whoever you are. We're going to bring down the corrupt in this town, including you and your husband, and there is nothing you can do to stop us. You're just fueling our fire. Thank you for that.

Anonymous said...

i lent mine to the rats ... i'll try to get it back

Anonymous said...

My hat off to all of you who walked yesterday in that terrible heat. You walked for people like me who could not walk with you. And you walked for people who would not walk, out of one sort of fear or another.

Anonymous said...

I was floored when I read that Cops for Kids "reimbursed the Town of Mooresville" amounts like $2,302.08 in August 2005 and $8,860.04 in June 2006 among others. What the heck is that all about???!!! So, money was somehow going back and forth from the town's general fund to and from a nonprofit corporation? Sorry, but that sounds slightly illegal to me, because Cops for Kids has never appeared on any of the town budget statements. Is the town in the business of "lending" money to nonprofits and then waiting/hoping to get repaid? If so, who gets to pick which nonprofits? Who keeps up with the money and decides who owes who what? Talk about a recipe for disaster OR a recipe for some nice money swapping.

Unknown said...

I offer heartfelt gratitude to the police department's handling of this historic march. My children and I participated in the march, and we did not feel unwelcome or intimidated for a single moment. We felt protected and safe. All the officers were extremely professional, cordial and went out of their way to be helpful. I observed as they offered water and opened doors and were just incredibly respectful of our right to protest. It is to the Mooresville Police Department's great credit that they have set the standard for how citizen dissent can be handled in a positive manner.

Anonymous said...

I applaud you citizens who marched. I was one of the many "released" from duties for "breaking a town policy" too bad that was a policy that i could never find in the TOM employee guide. Keep up the hard work.

Anonymous said...

I think the best thing for us to do is ignore the childish ranting of 4:41. They have nothing of worth to sya, just scroll over it to an intellignet discussion. I will not dignify that with a response anymore.

Anonymous said...

“At this time,” Crone said, “I have no idea whether we operated as part of the Town government, as an individual discretionary fund or as a non-profit corporation unbeknown to us.”

WTF?

Anonymous said...

Well, I was at the meeting out of curiosity. I didn't march but do agree with most of what the protestors said. We have a right to see first hand what is going on. Maybe David is seeing the light. Just because he chose not to march doesn't mean he can't agree in private. He is very intelligent, he'll come around.
As for me, I mad it clear I wasn't going to march in that heat , I couldn't. We can respectfully disagree with each other. Let's try to be respectful, like the MPD was last night. They set a fine example for the rest of us to follow.

Anonymous said...

The reason that the policemen were so nice and courteous was because of who was in charge.

Carl Robbins...he is a true professional and we should get behind one another make sure that the town see's that this is done.

The new city manager will not know and maybe will go out of town. We need to let him know that Major Robbins is the man if we want to be treated this way by officer all the time

Anonymous said...

Ahhhh. . . .so its the Homesleys again. That explains so much. Their personal revolution has been ongoing for years. This is just their latest of many sieges on Town Hall. They latch onto a new topic, blame in on their chosen victim, notify all their old CFOG buddies and any other bottom feeders they can enlist from the voting pool and march off down the street leading the band, carrying the banner, 'for the people'. Only thing I can't figure out is why did it take so long for them to emerge from the shadows in this campaign? And now I can't help but wonder how long they've been manipulating all of this from the shadows. My guess is for a while.

For those of you who think you are safe in their camp, a word of caution. Beware! They will turn on you and leave you twisting in the wind if it suits their needs. It seems they have plenty of rope.

Anonymous said...

Around the water cooler at Lowe's corporate today, this protest was THE topic of conversation. Many people are wondering if the town fathers will take care of this chief and Erskine Smith business before the town's image is tarnished on a national level.

Anonymous said...

"I was floored when I read that Cops for Kids "reimbursed the Town of Mooresville" amounts like $2,302.08 in August 2005 and $8,860.04 in June 2006 among others. What the heck is that all about???!!! "

My figuring was this was not about money coming in or going out between CFK and the town but reimbursing the town for something provided, say, at the golf tournament, such as manpower, water/sewer, facility use, whatever.

But that's just my guess until someone asks the question and gets an official answer.

Anonymous said...

Now, mr. Thunberg, 10:21 has a comment worth taking notice of.
The folks at Lowes are wondering if the crookedness will stop, because that's what it will take to make the protests stop. We have an international corporate headquarters here of the home improvement leader. Lowes enkoys a fabulous reputation. Are you going to continue to stick your heads in the sand or are we going to have honest government, leaders with no agenda other than the taxpayers?
I wonder what Robert Niblock and Larry Stone think of this situation?(CEO&sr.VP of Lowes)
Are you leaders naive enough to think the eyes of the world aren't watching us through NASCAR? What about the prestigious magazines that site this as a great place to live?Wait until they hear about this.
End this before it gets any worse. Fire Smith and remove Rader.Put Crone on unpaid leave. If he is found innocent, give him back-pay.

Anonymous said...

I am sorry to bust any bubbles each of you have floating around you, but the fact of the matter, nothing you say or do will make a difference. To make a significant change in the administration of Mooresville, you will have to show that you have creditability. The Gatton Report is a product of a malcontent citizen, without credibility and ran by a person with an ego the size of Alaska. Any people in authority will never take her seriously.

Anonymous said...

To 1:22 a.m.: and I guess that's why the police chief is suspended and there is an SBI investigation and there is a new town manager and the SICDC paid their money back and why the community knows about the bogus reasons for the firing of a police officer and why the wrongful discharge of McMillan and Martin was exposed during Gatton's tenure with the Tribune and why she received numerous statewide journalistic awards. Yes, I guess she is low on credibility. And by the way, who are you? And what have you done for accountability in your town or anywhere else? Hope you finally got some sleep last night.

Anonymous said...

9:54 p.m. yesterday - Did you actually say "bottom feeders" in the same sentence as "voters"? I can only assume you're somebody in our stellar local government. Real comforting to see what kind of words you all use when talking about us.

Anonymous said...

Malcontent Definition
mal•con•tent (mal′kən tent′)

Adjective: Discontented, dissatisfied, or rebellious: applied esp. to critics of the government

Noun: A discontented, dissatisfied, or rebellious person

Malcontent Synonyms: Disobedient, restless, and discontented;

One who rebels against the established system

Hey Jaime....I'm Malcontent too!! WHOO HOO~!!!!

Thank you for what you have done for this town. You have opened my eyes as well as many others. Not sure how only 25 of us have made your blog have almost 100,000 hits. This town needs a change. We need some WOMEN on the board. We need board members who are not afraid to do what's right for the people who voted to put them there. As far as you being credible, I think 7:13am said it all.

“I cannot accept, your canon that we are to judge pope and king unlike other men, with a favorable presumption that they do no wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way against holders of power ... Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

Lord Acton

Anonymous said...

Whoever used the egregious term "bottomfeeders" to describe the protest marchers reminds me of the mayor being outed somewhere else in this blog for calling Gatton "irrelevant." Mayor, is that you calling people "bottomfeeders"? Surely not you!

Anonymous said...

August 5, 2008 10:42 PM

I see where you are coming from, but having gone back & read the comment of the person, I still don't see their question being answered. Why would there be any money changing hands and "reimbursing the town for something provided, say, at the golf tournament, such as manpower, water/sewer, facility use, whatever" as you say? What other nonprofits are getting this type of convenient arrangement, if any? CFK was essentially using town resources to make money - why can't my favorite nonprofit do the same? Who makes sure it's going to be fair? Who keeps the accounting? My guess is this was a preferential treatment because the town was dealing with the chief of police instead of regular taxpayers. We're back to the same problems that are surfacing weekly it seems like.

Anonymous said...

You do realize the people for change are in the majority here. Do not allow those who post uneducated, un researched claims on this blog to get to us. They realize they are out numbered. All they can do is throw stones. The best part is they live in glass houses and do not even realize it.
For those that want "quick" justice, well it is going to be a daunting task to research 10+ years of corruption in 6 weeks. Please have faith.
Carl Robbins for Chief '08

Anonymous said...

I, too, was saddened by the use of the term "bottom feeders" in an earlier post. It was not lost on many of us that there was great diversity in the people who marched on Monday evening. The choice of words by this poster only highlights the many problems facing our community. There are those who believe certain voters are somehow more important or more worthy than others. The saving grace is that they seem to be cognizant of the injustice of that thought process, so they hide themselves.

Anonymous said...

Many people in town now refer to Mooresville as "Dirty Mo," thanks to past and current government.

Anonymous said...

Hey August 5, 2008 9:54 PM. Yeah, you! Who you calling a bottom feeder? What that make you? A top feeder? Who you feeding off of? The women or the children or the African Americans who marched in this protest? The meek shall inherit the earth brother.

Anonymous said...

This situation and the continual increases in taxes and water rates and buying of the cable will not stop until the taxpayer starts voting. You stay home and they do whatever they want.

Anonymous said...

Somebody wrote last night that "Any people in authority will never take her seriously", I assume speaking of Ms. Gatton. If so, the commenter must be living on another planet - Planet Old Mooresville. Anybody who has not taken Ms. Gatton and her blog seriously has lived to regret it.

Anonymous said...

I find it quite interesting that as of 10:28 am, this thread only has 35 posts whereas the previous thread announcing the protest details continues to rocket upwards. Why are the opposers so quiet?
In case you don't realize it, hundreds of people in this town support this effort but because of past corruption feel they cannot take a public stand for fear of retaliation. I don't feel that will happen from police under acting Chief Carl Robbins' watch and I'm hopeful that Steve Husemann will help put a stop to this when he comes to town.
Folks, even if you feel you cannot sign the letter, send one to your leaders,i.e., the mayor town manager and commissioners. They will recognize by the language you choose and know that they didn't all come from the same person.We have to do something to drill the point home that we are fed up. They can rail and rant on this blog and in public all they want. When I have an 81 year old lady come up and hug me in the grocery store for standing up for her rights, I know I'm on the side of truth and justice.
I don't presume to be a juror by offering an opinion, but it seems this matter is being handled by a wink and a nod, the choosing of friends to investigate these allegations, and the placing of a public official who allegedly may have commited tax fraud and felonies on paid leave. He is being given advantages and mercy far beyond that he has shown to scores of former officers who were either fired or felt they had no choice but to leave.

Erskine, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you just can't lift your head and see things in a realistic way. You're asleep at the wheel, my man. Maybe it's just too much for you now that we've grown so much.There is no shame in stepping down or requesting a transfer to another department.

Frank Rader, your arrogance just keeps on rolling. Why do you think the press continually seeks you out for comment? It isn't because of your "superior" intellect as you suspect. It's because they're waiting for you to put your foot in your mouth again. Return the town vehicle where it belongs, start going to the gym where we actually pay dues for you to go;leave the police meetings for
the qualified officers who serve us to gain information they need, not listen to a diatribe and lastly respect the taxpayers and voters who trusted your campaign lies while you can. There is an election coming "professor". Those of you who can't get out to vote can do so by absentee voting or give the dissenters a call. We'll be glad to give you a ride to the polls.

Anonymous said...

“I cannot accept, your canon that we are to judge pope and king unlike other men, with a favorable presumption that they do no wrong. If there is any presumption, it is the other way against holders of power ... Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”

Lord Acton


I second that!!!

Anonymous said...

I'll be happy to give rides to the poll to anybody who needs it, too. If ya'll organize something again, I'm in!

Anonymous said...

Dear Ms. Gatton and other organizers of this Town Hall picket:

You accomplished something that has never happened before in this town. There has never been enough passion and conviction and courage to walk on Town Hall in protest of bad governing. Just for a bit of fun, I sat down and tried to add up how many comments you have already had on The Gatton Report. I finally stopped after I counted over a thousand comments. You are fast approaching 100,000 hits on your Report as well. These are impressive numbers and very difficult to explain if one is attempting to convince someone like me that there is only a handful of people at work here. The most impressive fact is that you only began this blog five months ago. The incredible traffic and response on it tells me there is indeed widespread concern in this community over the actions/inactions of local government officials. My very best wishes to you in your continues efforts.

Anonymous said...

I was part of the march and it felt wonderful to do it. It was hot and the sun was beating down on us but I couldn't have cared less. I felt I was part of something real and true. When the marchers started chanting "enough is enough" my eyes filled with tears because I felt it deep in my bones that enough IS enough. I am ready for the elected officials to clean up the muck that is taking up space in our local government and replace them with people who are honest and hardworking.

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

Folks, the only real teeth we'll be able to have comes through our continued unified efforts to reform and change. All the negativity that is thrown about won't do a bit of good other than to stir the pot and lose the focus.

To date, I've heard from two Commissioners: Mr. Rader and Mr. Carner.

Mr. Rader continues to refuse to answer any questions posed to him. He continues to assert that e-mail is for "data, not communication." This despite the fact that I know of at least one other person who has had a 2.5 year long e-mail conversation with Mr. Rader regarding the concerns of their particular subdivision. Magically, now Mr. Rader won't continue the e-mail conversation with that individual.

Mr. Carner responded to me today and indicates that he is not in favor of my request presented Monday night. I'm not sure to which request he refers, but I think he is referring to the Recall efforts as well as to the request to hold a public hearing into Rader's activities. Mr. Carney's writes: "I am not supportive of your request. I believe strongly in the citizen's right to speak out and especially voice their opinion. This is done with their vote during election cycles. My fear of having any special ballot or even as a town, having called meetings outside of the norm, is less participation, less public opportunity. This opens the door for a group to push an agenda. I think you and I agree, public input into the process is good and a necessity to Mooresville's future."

I am checking into the process of how to force the recall issue to be placed on the next ballot. Until then, each of you needs to contact all of the commissioners directly, in writing, to show that this is an issue which needs to be addressed now.

Mr. Carney and I see the recall issue differently. The recall would require (typically) 30% of the total voting population to agree before such an action could be taken. That's a far greater percentage than currently particiates in local elections, and is intentionally high in order to maintain the integrity of the electoral system. To obtain 30% of the total population is quite a significant task.

Regarding Mr. Rader, at this point it is obvious that Mr. Rader refuses to go on record regarding his actions. Because we do not have the option of recall, the Town Board bears the responsibility to investigate and determine whether or not Mr. Rader's conduct merits removal from office.

I'll be setting up a meeting next week for anyone who wishes to come and continue the conversation and begin planning our next course of action.

Anonymous said...

To all involved in Monday Evenings Events,
I'd like to begin by saying just how wonderful it was to see the turn-out of such a diverse group of people. I could not march with you due to health reasons, but you can bet your life that I was with you, in spirit and heart, every step of the way. I arrived early at city hall, and I too was impressed with the manner in which the MPD handled the situation. Looks like Robbins actually expects his officers "to protect and serve".
I have lived in this town, off and on, all of my life. I remember the race riots and the desegregation of the school system. Having lived in this town throughout such a period of civic/racial unrest, I found it awe inspiring to see so many different populations of this town marching arm-in-arm; Rich, poor, black, white, blue-collar and white collar, religious and non-religious, standing together united in cause, with passion and a unified vision for a Mooresville we can all be proud to call home.
So my hat is off to Larry Green, Jaime Gatton, and so many others who worked diligently behind the scenes to bring forth this new organization.
To all of you bottom-feeding,kool-aide drinking, negativity producers out there. Go take a long walk on a short pier. That is, afterall, probably the only reason you're living here. Yeah that, and the fact that our taxes used to be really low. So don't go telling us to stop crying about our taxes. We are the people who built this town, and believe it or not, we liked it just fine before all of the Yankees and Mecklenburgites decided they didn't want to pay those ridiculous taxes on their former residences. Well, guess what, we didn't need to pay those kind of taxes until the likes of you began showing up and over-loading our schools, roads, sewer and water systems. You know we actually used to enjoy spending time on Lake Norman ourselves. Now most of us would rather live on the so-called Wrong-side of the tracks, because we can't enjoy the peace and tranquility of our lake, due to the over-crowding of the shores and waterways, not to mention the loud and obnoxious drunken party-goers. We didn't used to have to worry about whether or not it was safe to swim in the lake, but that was before the influx of the above mentioned groups and their lack of regard for something so precious as clean, clear water. Gee, I even remember when you could eat the fish you pulled out of Lake Norman without worrying about getting sick from contaminants. Maybe it's unfair to blame that on the newcomers, but then again, I was never hospitalized from swimming in Lake Norman until before the population explosion occurred.
Alright, I admit it, I digressed. It's just that I am so tired of these people who come in here and want to run our town. Let's face it, if you were born and raised in this town, you are nobody, unless you are an Erskine Smith or a downtown business owner. Oh wait a minute, I don't think we can actually say that there are more than about four downtown businesses that are owned and operated by native sons or daughters, and let's face it everyone of them, with two exceptions, are Good Old Boys going back to their birth. Really is sad isn't it?? Anyway, I've digressed and lost my muse today. I apologize fellow bloggers. Until later,

The Mooresvillian

Anonymous said...

Larry, instead of making it sound like Rader is avoiding you why dont you tell the whole story. He wont e-mail back and forth with you but why wont you sit down face to face and talk with him, like he has asked you to do on more than one occasion? But you wouldnt dare mention that because then everyone would get the whole story and not just these half truths that all of you spew. You really are a sad bunch.

Anonymous said...

.1% to 30%....good luck with that.

Anonymous said...

1:19 Anonymous, why don't you give us the whole story about who you are and why you care. You could start with a name.

Anonymous said...

Wow, you seem to know a great deal about the goings on between Larry and Rader. Is that you Frank, why don't you try campaigning at Fieldstone next election. I hear the people at First Presbyterian are a little tired of your pompous attitude of superiority. Of course they're the one's who voted you into office. So whether you are Rader or just one of his friends, I wouldn't be so smug about Larry Green. He, after all, doesn't use his church to gain power. He uses his brains and the written word of our government statutes.

Cherry Fruit Loop

Anonymous said...

The Fruit Loops get pretty defensive around here when you start giving them both sides of the story. Maybe one day you can muster up enough intelligence to think for yourself and not follow along with all these people and their grudges. Until then keep those blinders on follow the herd.

Anonymous said...

1:43PM, This fruit loop doesn't own blinders, I tried to buy some but they said they had all been bought by some friend of Rader. Could that have been you???. At any rate, those of us who hide in plain sight, often hear phone conversations and happen to know that it was Mr. Rader who didn't have the time to meet with Rev. Green. I believe his exact words were some thing to the effect that the questions everyone was wanting to ask, were not on his agenda of topics to discuss with his constituents.

This is a Fruit Loop, saying go soak your "Corn Flake" head in your spoiled milk. It seems to be drying out and non-functional. :)

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

You must be really close to Mr. Rader to know about our conversations. I've never refused to meet with Mr. Rader. I've consistently told him that I would meet with him after I received his responses to my questions. He has consistently refused to put his answers in writing, and now he is doing the same with other citizens. I've copied and pasted the e-mail conversation below. If Mr. Rader wishes to meet, I'm all game as long as he answers the questions in writing before-hand. That was my initial answer to his request and remains my answer to his repeated offers to sit down face to face because it might be "fun".


----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tue Jul 29 11:48:12 2008
Subject: Re:

Thanks for the information. I think I have what I need.

Original Message:
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From: Frank Rader frankrader@ci.mooresville.nc.us
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:41:16 -0400
Subject: Re:


Thanks
Email is for data
This has become a discussion.

I can call you if I have a time and number.
Or
Let's meet. Your place or a ToM Chat or appointment.

Phone 704-677-5640.
Blackberry keyboard. Excuse typos, pleasssse

----- Original Message -----
From: ljgreen123@mi-connection.com Sent: Tue Jul 29 11:33:52 2008
Subject: Re:

Mr. Rader,

With all due respect, I would prefer to have your responses in writing. I would be more than willing to meet with you or speak with you after that.

Thanks,
Larry Green

Original Message:
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From: Frank Rader frankrader@ci.mooresville.nc.us
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 10:13:47 -0400
Subject: Re:


Thanks
Please call me
You may use the phone number attached.
Anymore email exchange will up the addresses to in excess of bandwidth, at this rate.


Phone 704-677-5640.
Blackberry keyboard. Excuse typos, pleasssse

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From: Larry Green
Dear Mr. Rader,
I'm sorry to hear that you've not received any of my e-mails.
That's
interesting since I began receiving the Rader-At-Large emails immediately after sending my e-mail to all commissioners on 7/8/2008, which would suggest that, at the very minimum, you received that particular e-mail.
And I know that Mr. Abraham received the 7/8/08 e-mail because he responded to me with a much appreciated clarification of the personnel policies of the town. And I know that Mr. Gambill and Mr. Thunberg have received various e-mails I've sent to them, because they responded to the questions posed to them or referred me to the correct contact person.
Sounds to me as if the system must have had some sort of major malfunction between 7/8/08 and 7/25/08. I surely hope you’ve notified the town of the problems you're experiencing receiving e-mails now that we've discovered there must be some sort of malfunction which is preventing you from receiving e-mails.

At any rate, the missing e-mails are attached to this e-mail. I am very concerned that this e-mail might end up in the ci.mooresville.nc.us cyber-depot for missing e-mails, so I would appreciate each of you responding with “Got it" or something similarly non time consuming so that I know I don't need to print these off and deliver them to Town Hall and others. Mr. Rader, here, again, are the questions I posed. Can anyone provide the answers to these?

Dear Mr. Rader,

I am contacting you to verify the information contained within newest article in The Gatton Report (thegattonreport.blogspot.com). That article indicates that you made a presentation to the police officers last week during their staff meetings. I would like for you to answer the following
questions:


Did you speak to the officers during their staff meetings last
week? If so, then I’d like to know:

What was the purpose of your presence at the staff meetings?

How many presentations were made?

What was the content of your presentations?

Did you distribute any materials to the officers? If so, what?

Did you suggest that the officers write to support Mr. Crone?

Did you suggest that the officers write in opposition of Mr.
Crone?

Who authorized your presentation to the officers?

Did you notify Acting Chief Robbins before your participation
in the staff meetings?

Thank you for your time,
Larry Green
admin@cfrgm.org
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Thanks, Larry
It is correct I have no email from a Larry Green on my laptop.
I've searched the PDA phone, which has limited searching capabilities or some I do not use or understand much, and it is true, there, too.

My statement remains what was said. I have no record of receiving your email.
It may have been sent, hit the server and hit the PDA Phone and been deleted, but that is about as close as it could come.

If you have it, send it again. If I read it I may remember it.

Hi, Jamie




Frank Rader
Frank Rader
Commissioner at Large
Town of Mooresville (NC)
POB 878, 28115
frankrader@ci.mooresville,nc.u
s (Blackberry email)
frankrader@MI-Connection.com
> (desktop email)
704-677-5640 cell
704-664-9263 FAX

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On Jul 19, 2008, at 10:08 AM, Larry Green wrote:


Mr. Rader:

Regarding your comments about including all the e-mails you've received about the CFK situation. You indicated: "I've included all I've received.
I've received 7 similar supportive verbal comments, which I did not include in Rader at Large. Performance holds no candle to speculation. A blast of air and it is gone. Some have more air than others." That does not appear to be a factual statement. I submitted via e-mail a letter to all of the ToM Board regarding my thoughts on this issue. I've not seem my information included in your e-mail synopsis.

Larry Green

Anonymous said...

Sorry 1:34, I'm a little dyslexic today. Wouldn't want you to think that I couldn't tell time. I am highly educated soul, with slight dyslexia at times.

Cherry Fruit Loop

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

The rest of Mr. Rader's ramblings and avoidance will be posted at cfrgm.org just as soon as I get a chance to do that. It's difficult to drive and do this at the same time.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know where I can get a cheesy bow tie like Frank's? Maybe if I wear one of those I can be just as smart as him and get away with being a dumb A@$

Yellow Fruit Loop

Anonymous said...

Mr.Carney, just what do you call "pushing an agenda"? Could that be your desire to squelch the public's right of free speech and the right to assemble peacefully? I see you comment about public meetings being outside of the public norm. Could that phrase also be used to refer to a civic meeting? In my definition I think it would apply.
Approximately one year ago, I was present at a Rotary meeting when you made a comment that literally caused me to lose my train of thought in mid-sentence, having to apologize to the person I was speaking with. You were commenting on the cable deal and another issue of public concern which I won't divulge. You laughed and made the comment that if that organization didn't cooperate, Mooresville would "just buy it too".
That attitude remained with you until recently when you realized you'd better shape up or be voted off. I haven't seen that attitude in public until the publication of your comments on this blog. I suppose it was only a matter of time until the fear inside materialized on paper. I know you're shaken. I could see it in your eyes Monday night. I could also see it in the gritted teeth of the mayor and Frank Rader. How dare an ordinary citizen with constitutional rights actually choose to use them! Don't they know all they're supposed to say is "yes"?
As you can tell, commissioner, there's nothing amiss about my perception of my rights. I will organize or attend any meeting I choose to as long as it doesn't violate any law. I am proactive, vigilant and indignante over the things taking place in this town. At least the old guard was somewhat sneaky about their shady dealings. You really had to dig to uncover it sometimes. Not you clowns. You'll tell the press, the maid, and the dog.You're defiant and you don't care who knows it.
I can't believe the audacity of someone in public office making a statement saying he doesn't agree with citizens having a mind or a voice outside of the polling booth, which is essentially what you are saying. Please correct me if I misinterpreted any portion of that statement, after all you do have a right to your opinion.

Anonymous said...

All those e-mails you posted only proves one thing. How incredibly difficult you are. One of the e-mails stated that he would sit down with you and talk, but you insist on whining and crying about e-mails. If you really wanted to hear what he had to say then just sit down and talk to him. But thats not your goal is it? Your goal is to badger someone with idiotic questions and hope you can get some more ammunition out of the comments. Its obvious to me you are just looking to stir up trouble and not really looking to do whats best for the town.

Anonymous said...

Hey Frank...Where do you get your clown outfit? I can't believe how appropriately you dress.

Anonymous said...

And 2 more points for you sheep to ponder.

1. All of you try to say that there are so many of you and everybody wants change. Well you had 25 people at a so called protest and during that time from 3:30 to 8:30 this blog had 1 post. 1 damn post!!!

2. At least 8 and maybe 10 of the people at the so called protest cant even vote!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Thats rich. I'm Frank now. thats only about the 15th person I have been accused of being. Good try though please play again.

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

What's best for the town is to have answers to the questions so that we can put this issue to rest. Sadly, there are no answers coming from Town Hall. And if I were to meet w/ Mr. Rader face-to-face and then post the comments here -- you'd say that I made it all up. The truth is hard to handle,and I'm sorry you are having such a difficult time handling it. However, your anger and pain to not remove the fact that Mr. Rader has been given ample opportunity to respond to the questions and to either refute or confirm the perception that he behaved in a particular manner.

Can you answer the questions posed to Mr. Rader?

(typing single handedly while waiting for stoplights to change colors ... excuse typos pleasssssse)

Anonymous said...

It comes down Mr. Rader does not want to submit anything via email because there will always be a record of his comments. When speaking face to face he can deny anything that was said. An email gives a record he can’t deny.

Rabid Republican

Anonymous said...

Rader has "decreed" that e-mail is for "information and not discussion". Wonder why...hmmmm. Could it have anything to do with the fact that with e-mail comes the big bad "A" word - Accountability??
Both Rader and Thunberg have figured that little trick out, but that trick only works if two play. We're going to refuse to play.

Purple Fruit Loop

Anonymous said...

Why does the Town of Mooresville allow any commissioner to sit on an appointed board in anything other than an advisory role? they should not be given voting rights in committees whci can directly benefit them professionally,such as Commissioner Abraham's situation.
This needs to be changed. They are controlling the cookie jar from inside and out. Go to TOM website,click on appointed committees and behold.

Anonymous said...

Just for reference

Sixth Amendment to the Constitution

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district where in the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

Anonymous said...

Hey 2:33 your points are crap. There is a lot of people who are behind this blog the only reason they remain anonymous is because of what might happen to there job if they come forward. Its really sad when some people can't say or show how they feel because of intemidation.

Anonymous said...

How dare you bring common sense and The Constitution into this.

-Everyone in the Fruit Loop Posse

Anonymous said...

Here's an idea: If Frank insists on a face-to-face meeting, why not find a time that's good for him and set that as the meeting time for next week's meeting that Larry referenced in one of his posts? Then it will be face to face. Then whoever wants to be there can be there. After all, we are all Frank's constituents. And we don't bite. Put that offer to him, Larry, and see what he says.

Anonymous said...

Does this ring familiar to anyone besides me?

“I have here in my hand a list of two hundred and five (people) that were known to the Secretary of State as being members of the Communist Party and who nevertheless are still working and shaping the policy of the State Department”
Joseph R. McCarthy quotes (American Senator, 1908-1957)

Anonymous said...

Wow!!!! 4:02 and 4:07, are you suggesting that a criminal prosecution is in order here???

Anonymous said...

I am the other individual....mr green references, and I have never met the man, however, frank decided for unknown reasons to began to cc mr green as a result of my correspondence with mr rader directly, this is how mr green is aware of some new facts about the incredulous claim mr rader now makes about email. It is simple fantasy for mr rader to state email is not for writing...he has shown a passion for using email

I gave mr green permission to share that fact.

I have emailed with mr rader for several years; in fact, I have had email conversations with mr rader, mr thunburg, mr herring, mr carney, mr atkins even the chief once about issues that impacted my neighborhood...as part of email threads with county commissioners, even around a building restoration downtown next to wachovia. these emails conversations were thorough and spanned days at times. I asked mr rader several questions to provide an opportunity to validate or dispute and explain many of the accusations being made and his position on several items. he refused for the first time in two plus year to do so in writing, I offered to meet with him provided it was on the record, a recorded meeting, he will not accept those terms.

So my reaction is that he fears self incrimination, and yes, as you claim, he would claim he said she said from any other interaction

Anonymous said...

Hey Larry...set up a meeting with Frank Rader. I'll be there!! I'd love to see what he has to say. I'd love to ask him why he was laughing at the board meeting the other night when voters were speaking. I'm sure the other 48 of us that marched would be up for that as well.

"It is not only what we do,
but also what we do not do,
for which we are accountable."
Moliere

Anonymous said...

Count me in, too. Rader, be a man and come talk to us "face to face" and on the record.

Anonymous said...

Thunberg is laughing his a** off about now. Frank came out of the bunker and walked out into the open and become the target of all the irate villagers. Meanwhile
th Mayor, he lay low and not say a word. Real quiet. Maybe this will all go away or at least not be associated with him. Don't want that to happen.

Now the question is, is Frank a good soldier to take the attacks for all his buddies or is he just not politically astute?

Anonymous said...

Just got to see today's comments. What a great bunch of comments!! And Larry Green hits the nail on the head about Rader and email--the guy simply doesn't want to go on the record unless its with his self-generated BS. Yeah, he wants to meet face to face. See if he will agree to meet face to face and be videotaped as he answers your questions.

Anonymous said...

Wow, love that one quoting the constitution. Nice reminder that even Crone has constitutional rights. Unfortunately for him, in North Carolina that does not have a damn thing to do with his job. NC is a "right to work" State which means he is an employee at will which means he can be fired for any reason. I guess some of you fruit loop haters out there just haven't heard enough reasons yet. Or maybe you have the Rader standard: Crone hasn't been "charged" with anything. You act like you don't understand this but you do, you are simply willing to keep a corrupt official in place. Pure, simple and to the point.

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

Dear Mr. Rader,

I have recently been made aware that there are several citizens who wish to hear your answers to the questions I've posed several times via e-mail. In light of that fact, I would be willing to meet with you and have a discussion in the presence of these folks.

I am available to meet with you the following times in a public location:
Tuesday, 8/12 anytime between 6:30pm and 8:30pm
Wednesday, 8/13 -- anytime between 7:30pm and 9:00pm
Thursday, 8/14 -- anytime between 6:00pm and 9:00pm

Please let me know which will work best for you.

Sincerely,
Larry Green

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

And yes, I did e-mail him that information.

Anonymous said...

Rader needs to bring his lawyer to any meeting because his actions at the MPD during the ongoing investigations may very well have constituted:

a) obstruction of justice, and
b) witness tampering

Good luck getting him on record. Since there's no recall, we're stuck with a commissioner who clearly thinks he is above the law. Our only hope may be to press for his indictment of these two crimes by sitting down with the D.A.

Anonymous said...

TO REX'S MOM:

You stated that Abraham was on a board that helped him professionally. Please explain which one it is that helps him. I checked the town's web site and according to it he is only on the recreation advisory board and the travel and tourism. both non paying. You can check the towns web site and see who is on whats board. Please tell me which one he is on. Thanks

Anonymous said...

I heard something very disturbing. I heard that a woman named Cindy Jacobs was at the march taking pictures of people in the march and shaking her head at them in disgust. I also heard that she is a longtime supporter of the good ole' boy network and that she was sent to the march to spy and snap photos of the marchers. Anybody know anything about this? Who is this woman?

Anonymous said...

So, ok I have posted some things that were not in the right spirit for progress about several people. I will keep my comments civil and not get carried away.Hope all forgive me.

Anonymous said...

Travel and tourism. Think about it.

Construction. Relocation. Building contracts and it's already benefited.

Anonymous said...

I am more concerned about Carney's remarks at the Rotary meeting though and Rader laughing at the meeting Monday night.I can live with Mr. Abraham.
I cannot live with the fact they have a sy-so whether it's paid or not, they still have undue influence.Don't you agree some of us(citizens as a whole) could do just as good a job?

Anonymous said...

Rader wasn't the only one "laughing". Erskine Smith was, too. Let those two hyenas smirk and laugh all they want. "She who laughs last laughs hardest."

Anonymous said...

Yeah on TV Smith was like with this goofy painted on looking smile saying "Everybody's entitled to their opinion." Like he didn't give a shit about their opinion. Problem is, it wasn't opinion it was fact, like it is a fact that Crone took money from the evidence room but Smith give him a paid vacation as a reward.

Anonymous said...

Rader used some word like "gravitas"--do they still teach Latin at Davidson College? What a little crappy air of superiority the guy tries to carry about him. Something about this guy is starting to smell more and more in light of his unwavering support of Crone. Let's hope the investigators pursue the issue of Rader's meeting with the police officers on that Saturday morning--just seems like a very improper action to take in the midst of an extremely sensitive criminal investigation.

Anonymous said...

When we pray "the gaints must come down" Wrong has never been right, and right has never been wrong. As we pray for Chief Crone and his situation, it will all come to a peaceful resolution. May God Bless you all!

Anonymous said...

Rader. What a ridiculous "man".

Anonymous said...

Substance; weightiness: a frivolous biography that lacks the gravitas of its subject

Anonymous said...

August 6 10:17 PM

Cindy Jacobs is a life long resident of Mooresville and she is a public relation person and she has written two books about Moresville. She uses pictures in her books and writes a article under each picture. I think that they have them at the Library. I doubt that she is for the good ole boys because she was dismissed from a job at the library during McLeans latter part of his tenure.Maybe she was shaking her head because she was disappointed there was not a lot more people involved Were you there?It was a public event why does it bother you because someone was there.Why would there need to be a spy there when it was so open. Get a life write about something that is important.

Anonymous said...

TO REX'S MOM:

Please get the facts about the Travel and Tourism board and their duties. Their executive director is Leah Mitcham and their offices are on Main Street next to Gibson's Furniture. They have a specific mandated purpose and it is nowhere near what your thoughts are about building,relocation, and contracts.

Anonymous said...

TO REX'S MOM:

Sorry, forgot to agree with your comment on citizen's on boards. Yes, I think citizens need to be involved. I think I had heard that their is a form one can fill out to volunteer for these boards. Maybe the city clerk can fill anyone in on this.

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

Here's the link to the application to serve on a town board:

http://www.egovlink.com/public_documents300/mooresville/published_documents/Town%20Hall/Applications/Application.doc

Anonymous said...

About the lady taking pictures and being a spy. The group of protesters called every TV station and newspaper to come and take pictures. Are you scared that your picture was taken even if you had the courage to show up

Anonymous said...

If you are a known dissenter you will not be asked to be on a board or committee. I filled out one of those applications two years ago and have not been asked to sit on a board or committee yet.

Rabid Republican

Anonymous said...

Its interesting Danny Martin is on the Planning and Zoning Board and is a commercial real estate agent. Tell me there's no conflict of interest?

Anonymous said...

Cindy, come clean. Are you the one writing the comments calling local activists "sheep"? You can tell us. There's no shame in it.

Anonymous said...

Cindy Jacobs actually is somehow involved with the golf course, too. I know she can be pretty sly. Anybody who deals with her has to be very careful.

The previous poster may actually have hit the nail on the head. It would not surprise me one iota.

Anonymous said...

Travel and Tourism - Now that's a good guestion. I thought they were to promote Mooresville to tourist. Now they want to build a soccer complex? Is building a complex really what they're supposed to be doing with their money? And how much money do they have? It must have a ton to be able to consider a project like that? Maybe that money should go back to the Town for roads and traffic improvements. That would be a boost to tourism. Where are the finaincial reports for this group? Who is looking over their shoulder?

Anonymous said...

August 7, 6:04
Thank you for taking the time to look that up for me. I'm already aware of this though because I am a Mooresville native. As I said, I don't have a huge problem with Mr. Abraham personally. He's always been polite and helpful to me. I think you'll agree after veiwing those committees that they're a little top-heavey with commissioners. I just believ that some of our citizens would add a fresh voice and reduce the amount of "double influence" these folks have. Of course, maybe not enough of us are willing to serve on these boards and the commishes were called on to apply. My point is this : we need to be more proactive, and yes, I've applied before in the past.
Thanks for your help and comments.

Anonymous said...

Forgot to add that if you are interested, got to city hall. take the elevator upstairs and see either Avlva Brown or Janet Pope for an application for appointed boards. You might not hear anything for quite a while because if you'll notice the members have terms as long as 2 years. The beautification committee doesn't have a set number of members and their term is only one year. Sorry for the ommission.

Anonymous said...

August 7, 10:17AM

Travel and Tourisme uses no local money. All of their money comes from taxes on local hotel rooms. Their money cannot be used for anything except for any event or events that will put people in hotel rooms and the people will then buy local items and visit local stores.
They are audited by the Town (ms Setzer) and by the state. Their reports are public records. I amsure if you go by their office on N Main st beside BB&T they will show you their report or give you one. They meet once a month usually on a Thursday at their offices and the meetings are open to the public and anyone can attend
They are not trying to hide anything remember the state builds roads and devoplers build streets

Anonymous said...

11:47
We need to fill some seats at these meetings if they're open to the public and I think they are.
We also need to follow-up on the SBI/golf course report. That just might contain a clue to the Rader/ Crone connection.

Anonymous said...

and by the way, the soccer complex idea at the Brawley mansion has been abandoned.
Did you guys catch members of the McNeely family on Tv last night(ch.9) about the monument move? Very compelling.

Anonymous said...

Below are emails from Janet Pope. I have submitted my application for a board. Now lets see what happens.

Start at the bottom and scroll up.
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It depends on the Board and when they feel they have the applications to choose from.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:30 PM
To: Janet Pope
Subject: Re: Boards

and how long does this process take?

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet Pope

Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:27 PM

Subject: RE: Boards

You will receive a letter from the Mayor’s office if you are appointed to a Board or Commission. The Board will review all applications and make a recommendation to be appointed. The Board meets the first Monday of each month.

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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:24 PM
To: Janet Pope
Subject: Re: Boards

So, since there are vacancies, I can be appointed at anytime? I have faxed my application over. When will I hear something?

Thanks!

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet Pope

Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:02 PM

Subject: RE: Boards

Appointments are done in June. Vacancies can occur anytime during the year so appointments are made when that happens. I have attached an application. Please fill it out and return to me so we can have it on record. At the present we have a vacancy on the Historic Preservation Commission, MI-Connection Board and an ETJ position on the Planning Board (which has to be appointed by the County Commissioners).

Please let me know if you have any further questions.


Janet Pope

Town Clerk

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Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 3:25 PM
To: Janet Pope
Subject: Boards

Can you tell me if there are any vacancies on the boards? If not, when will there be.

Thanks!

Anonymous said...

What board did you apply for?

Anonymous said...

What so you can black ball me?

Red Fruit Loop

Anonymous said...

Good job, Cherry, my favorite flavor. Let's see if you can make it!

Anonymous said...

I think I'd rather be a Lucky Charm or a Cheerio rather than a fruit loop.
Green stars and marshmallow hearts

Anonymous said...

Oh yeah, is that Whitlow guy still supporting the chief? Or is he over there helping pack up for the moving van. It was a little strange that he, as an employee of the police department (dispatcher), was over there trying to infiltrate the march. And the real officers like Thompson and Hillard and several others were there to make sure the marchers were safe from the counterprotestors who never materialized. Of course, everybody there knew who Whitlow was and about his psuedo conservative agenda. He acts like a conservative except when it comes to government corruption in which case he comes to the defense of the old guard everytime. He might need to be looking for a new line of work.

Anonymous said...

When it comes down to it, there seems to be about 6 of that group that really run the show. Some of the others there were just given the cold shoulder altogether. They gravitated towards each other. Larry spoke hello but headed back to a corner afterwards.It wasn't welcoming. Fariba was nice and the Coleman preacher. I thought it was a group of concerned people not a CFOG ressurection. But whatever, accomplished the purpose I guess, Crone is gone.

Anonymous said...

Whitlow seem be makin a list and ask question .say he support Crone.yeah, thought it be pretty chilly in there but marched anyway.Some senior lady bossy. hardly any friendly.Pretty dumb to come spy.why not wait till march, then not look like spy.

Anonymous said...

Whitlow said he went because he saw the public invite in the Tribune. He told me that he wanted to see what it was all about.

He told me that everyone that he spoke with was nice to him but that he didn't remember anyone asking him why he came. He told me that he introduced himself to Mr. Green. He said he was cordial and spoke wiht him a few minutes.

He said he only knew a handful of people by name and a few others by face.

I asked him if he kept up with what wsa being said on the blog and he told me that he "looks at it sometimes". he said he couldn't believe how "nasty" it was getting.

He said he wanted to meet Fariba but has the feeling that she hates him.

Anonymous said...

Larry don't you know better than to send emails or play with your phone while you are operating a motor vehicle. Please concentrate on the road we would like to keep our kids alive.

Anonymous said...

It looks to me like this Whitlow guy (taking notes on people) was at the citizen's pre-protest meeting as an agent of the local government? If so, that needs to be exposed. Sorry. Who was he reporting to? Why was he not upfront about it? Also, the 12:40 am post is just a little creepy. He wouldn't happen to be stalking Mrs. Homesley, would he?

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

Mr. Whitlow said he was there to see what it was all about and was very honest about his position on the topic. I'm glad he felt strongly enough to come out and to listen, regardless of his position in the town.

Mr. Whitlow isn't the focus of our activity on Monday: public corruption and abuse of power are, so let's stay focused.

Anonymous said...

I just read the two posts late last night trying to insinuate that the marchers were "chilly" and unfriendly to each other. I was present at the march, and this person and I must have been at two completely different events, or this person is attempting to paint a picture that is false.

What I witnessed was incredible camaraderie and brotherhood between one of the most diverse groups of people I have ever seen gathered in one place in Mooresville for as long as I have lived here.

I shall never forget my experience of that day and I shall treasure it always. I am so grateful that I made the decision to join the marchers.

Anonymous said...

David Whitlow thinks this blog is "nasty"? He ain't seen nasty yet. Nasty is how it's gonna get if they don't get rid of that leech Erskine Smith who's been siphoning off of this town using and abusing his father's good name. That boy don't know the meaning of the word work. He plays and lays around and finagles. If it wasn't for him we wouldn't be in the mess we're in, having to dig out.

Anonymous said...

Good afternoon bloggers!

Thought I'd chime in (this once) since I seem to have become part of this discussion.

First let me say that I'm no mole, spy, or any such thing. I indeed went to the Citizen Center as one (as well as Mr. Greens') post suggested; to "see what it was all about." And like most of you, I can think for myself and form my own opinions.

That there is such strong opinion of me is not surprising I suppose. Most know that I have voiced open support in the past for our town leaders. It seems to some that I’m also guilty by association. I'm a native of Mooresville and have known most of the leaders over the years and Erskine Smith use to sell me shoes and clothes at Belk on Main St. I do work part time at the PD. Perhaps one or two times a month on avg. There are employees there that I don’t even know myself.

My dad was a police officer in town for 23 yrs and, contrary to what someone asked on this site, retired for medical reasons in 1990. Diabetes. This horrible disease claimed him almost ten yrs ago.

(Please take all the shots at me you wish, but I ask that you leave my dad out of it. He was an a fine man.)

I appreciate you saying that I expressed my thoughts honestly, Mr. Green.

I knew only a handful of folks there. Some by face and some by name. I’m assuming that those that know me advised the others there that didn’t who I was. Obviously because of my past opinions I’m assuming the questions and guessing started. I guarantee you this, my reason for being there was as stated: To see what it was all about. I have no important status in this town at all. My opinion is and has always been just that – an opinion.

Let me state here that I hold no animosity for anyone that is willing to stand up for what they feel is right. I firmly believe in this right. What I don’t agree with is how some have chosen to throw anyone and everyone associated with this town “under the bus”. In the past I have been guilty of the same methods in response. To ALL those I may have hurt and/or offended, I apologize. To all the victims of undue insults past and present, it is my hope that we all can forgive and move on. We, as a town, cannot continue like this.

Public officials indeed “put themselves out there” for public scrutiny. Public officials also have more on their plates than many of us and the possibility of wrong-doing and bad decision making can happen even when there was not intent. That is not to say that they should not be held to a higher standard and be held accountable for their actions. That was my point (and maybe a lousy point that I couldn’t seem to convey in proper words to some) several yrs back.

My intention is that this will be the only post I submit to this site.

Anonymous said...

Okay, I spelled my name wrong.......

Anonymous said...

We need to investigate this money pit called ch2mhill. Only 1 commissioner remains who voted it in. Our bills have gone up 200% in the last few years. Why are we not taking measures to make developers pay fees. I know impact fees are illegal here but there has to be some way.
I think the town needs another internal auditor. The results of Wendy Ellis' audits need to be released unless they ended up in the shredder.
Also, it was tragic about the McNeely boy, but is he any mote important than the rest who died defending our freedom? Why does that deserve special treatment and a place of honor that others don't?

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

David, you're welcome to come to any meeting I have on this or any other issue. I'm glad you were there and had the courage to be open and honest. That's healthy for the entire community.

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Jaime Gatton said...

6:50 p.m.: Thanks for the comment; I had to remove it, however, because I cannot quickly substantiate the allegations made. If you have a copy of the March 2007 NEA newspaper -- or if you can give me a specific way to find it -- I will be happy to look into it.

A friendly reminder to everyone: All posters are welcome and encouraged to post their opinions and facts as long as the opinions and facts have merit. I am not responsible for the content of posted comments. The purpose of this blog is to foster open dialogue and the sharing of ideas. All posters should be comfortable that any allegations they make are factual.

You can provide me with evidence by posting it here anonymously, by sending an e-mail to me at jgatton@windstream.net, or by mailing it to P.O. Box 111, Mt. Mourne, N.C. 28123.