Last Wednesday, Commissioner Frank Rader told us in the Mooresville Tribune: “The bottom line is we can either do an investigation or speculation. The town has chosen to do investigation, the (protestors) have chosen speculation, and that’s not going to change. We’re going to continue to investigate.”
The very next day, the town fired suspended Police Chief John Crone.
The public was informed about the firing Friday morning.
So, what happened between Wednesday and Friday?
The answer is simple, Commissioner Chris Carney said today. “More information was made available (on Thursday) that deemed it necessary for action to be taken.”
He said information about the deposit slip, showing that money had been moved from the evidence room into Crone’s Cops for Kids account, “was found to be accurate.”
Carney also said “other issues” from the evidence room pointed to violations of police procedures. He declined to elaborate on the other issues, saying only that a full report of the evidence-room inventory has not been released to commissioners. “We were just getting intermittent updates based on the evidence room,” Carney said. “I only know what I’ve heard from different avenues.”
The inventory is apparently still being finalized.
Commissioner Miles Atkins asked town administrators yesterday to add “personnel” to a special-called meeting tomorrow, which is unrelated to Cops for Kids or the former chief. Atkins said he wanted to add personnel to the agenda “so we can get a more detailed update on the investigation and the data that is now available.”
Also, Atkins said he has information he would like to share with his colleagues about an unexpected visit from Crone over the weekend. Crone, said Atkins, “dropped in on me at my home this weekend to share his feelings about the matter. He let me know his side and wanted to tell someone since he has not been given the opportunity to discuss it with anyone tied to the investigation.”
But Town Attorney Steve Gambill said that the only matters that can be discussed in tomorrow's meeting are those that were included in the public notice about the meeting. In other words, a discussion about personnel can't be added.
Atkins said he is "frustrated that information is not more forthcoming."
“There are two financial investigations, the evidence room inventory and Ken Andrews’ (internal) investigation. We have heard nothing to date regarding their findings, nor has there been any timelines established for summary or completion of their work,” he said.
“It is quite evident that several commissioners were caught off guard regarding Chief Crone’s resignation and ultimate termination,” Atkins added. "The handling of this matter along with the lack of communication and accountability is unsettling.
“We called for these investigations and are using taxpayer dollars to pay for them,” Atkins said.
Carney said if commissioners cannot receive updates on the investigations in tomorrow’s meeting, he supports having another special meeting on Monday. “Commissioner Atkins points to a lack of flow of information, and that is 100 percent true,” Carney said. But the question is whether the results of the evidence-room inventory are not being released because they haven’t been “thoroughly vetted” or “if it’s just a lack of information,” he said.
“Atkins is completely in line, in my opinion,” Carney added. “We at least need a timeline to understand when we expect this to be over.”
To date, the town has not agreed to release the results of the evidence-room inventory. But Carney said that the inventory “is not personnel. It’s under the control of the town and not under personnel. Realistically, it’s the one (investigation) we have the most access (to).”
As for the SBI investigation, Carney said, “it may take years, so that cannot be something we’re holding our breath on. We have to work with the internal investigation, and unfortunately, we may never be privy to the personnel issues, which is disheartening. On the personnel part, we are in the dark.”
But Carney said the public can rest assured that the commissioners “want the information just as much as anyone else.” However, he said, “we have to work within the rules.”
He promised that the town board “will release what is released to us.”
“We need to generate a report back to the public that explains what happened to reinstate some kind of credibility,” Carney added.
Atkins said he is “strongly encouraging full disclosure of any and all data and findings to date to be released to the town board and the public as soon as possible.”
Meanwhile, Carney is encouraging the public -- Crone's supporters and detractors alike -- to remember that Crone’s firing “had nothing to do with what he had accomplished as Mooresville’s police chief any more than it had to do with the ‘sins of his past’. We had to answer the question of whether there was a policy broken that did not allow for us to continue to have him as a police chief.”
While the town board has not received a full report on any of the outstanding investigations, Carney said, “as soon as one thing acknowledged that something occurred against police procedures, something had to be done.”
He said the town not only needs to discuss “where we are now with any information and where we are headed,” but “we need to figure out where we went wrong as a town. We need to figure out what changes need to be made and then strongly encourage those changes.”
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So, who's the "8th Grader" now Rader?
Looks to me like it's been Commissioner Frank Rader doing the speculating all along. Speculating that Crone didn't do anything wrong. Speculating that police officers needs to write letters of support for him despite the evidence splattered on a local blog. Speculating that he knows everything and the rest of us know nothing. Heck, he began speculating with the corrupt CH2M Hill Wastewatergate, and he kept speculating with the bottomless pit of the cable company. This man is gonna singlehandedly speculate us right down the drain.
The deposit slip with money going from the evidence room to the "charity". Available to the interim town manager from day one. Available to the mayor and Rader from day one. But they wanted to wait for the "facts". This was the only fact they needed. And with prodding, all they did was suspend Crone with pay. The board must take termination action against Smith for this lapse. In fact, remember that the interim town manager allowed Crone access to the records over that first weekend. Smith is responsible for even the possibility that the investigation was compromised. Let's see the board hold him accountable. And please note: the mayor remains silent. Come on mayor, yes, you have the right to remain silent, but what is your responsibilty to the people? Are you asserting the fifth here? Or have you not figured out yet which way the wind is blowing? Because it is a hurricane.
Good for Chris Carney for stepping up to the plate, albeit a little late in the game. Better late than never, like some such as Thunberg, Rader and Abraham. Surprise, surprise. Talk about predictable.
Total and complete mayoral void. I for one will not forget this. It is shameful.
So long & short of this? All they ever needed to fire the police chief was evidence that he had taken money from evidence room. Well well well. If I recall right that was evidence we ALL had on Fourth of July in the Mooresville Tribune. Who was responsible for firing him? good ole Erskine. Who didn't fire him? good ole Erskine. Who let him keep going back into his little office and sift thru CFK records until he was suspended? good ole Erskine. This is who is going to be Mr. Husemann's "Assistant Manager"????
FIRE ERSKINE SMITH NOW.
And word about town is that Crone was making regular appearances over at the PD during his suspension. Not good.
Was he really doing this and if so, who'd signaled to him that was okay to do? And who let it keep happening?
I can say that I never seen him at the PD at ANYTIME that he was suspended. I was in and out according to my various scheduling I again don't believe that he was there. This is just some one reporting a bunch of bull shit trying to get something else started.
Dont forget people all the PD in side is video taped and he would not be that crazy since he was the one that installed them.
it's good to see that at least somebody who works at MPD understands how wrong it would have been for Crone to have been able to saunter around there during his suspension. Now I guess if we find out otherwise we can hold some feet to the fire with the previous commenter's blessings. Just saying.
QUICK. Start erasing those tapes. Especially the ones in the evidence room!
No wonder Thunberg is silent. Think about his accomplishments so far: 1) Mrs. Bush killed at the intersection after Morrison Plantation was not held to their plan by the town 2) CH2MHill ad nauseum, 3) McMillan and Martin fired for no reason, 4) the Erskine Smith led developer "coup" against McMillan and Martin before the firing, 5) CABLE debacle, led by Thunberg, 6) lawsuit with Duke over use of lake water 7) settlement with McMillan and Martin (still no report or comment) 8) lawsuit by Nitzu threatened months ago 9) Thunberg attempt to gut downtown commission but only after his left hand man, Frick, was gone 10) SICDC non payoff of loans (paid off after report from Gatton Report), 11) big commission by Thunberg's buddy Smith to Jimmy McKnight. Yeah, there's not much for Thunberg to say. However, it would be nice to hear a tepid comment on something as grave as having to fire your police chief and only doing so after public pressure.
Now, Mr. Carney ... do you understand our desire to have the ability to recall elected officials. Don't put us into a position of having to force the issue. Do the right thing and initiate the process from your end. Be a leader and lead this cause. There is no valid argument against it.
Mr. Green is absolutely correct. There is no valid argument against having a Recall Option. If any elected official(s) believe otherwise, we challenge them to provide those arguments so that we can civilly and intelligently debate this issue, as would occur in any true democracy.
Also the entire parking lot on all four sides of the building and all entrance are recorded too.
Larry when do you work? Looking at all your free time to post and research I am now looking into becoming a minister. Talk about someone needing to be held accountable. I think you would be better off on the towns payroll instead of any churches.
Just apply for Erskine Smith's job then. He gets paid over a hundred thousand dollars a year and doesn't even have to show up to work half the time. Free food, free car, free gas, free golf, nobody to answer to, and requires an Act of Congress to get fired. Now that's what I call a job!
the pd might have cameras but they don't record. just ask anybody who paid attention to the stolen skate park equip. can't catch the thieves when the cameras don't record. duh.
This is a continuation of the "Count Up Vigil" of the number of days which pass from the day Cops For Kids scandal broke (7/4/08) to the day that Police Chief Crone and Interim Town Manager Erskine Smith are both suspended, terminated or resign.
The Police Chief was suspended (with pay) on Tuesday, 7/8/08. He was terminated on 8/8/08. The community is clearly relieved and deeply grateful that Mr. Crone has vacated his post. However, serious questions continue to mount with regard to Mr. Smith's decision to continue paying Mr. Crone a salary for the intervening month.
Interim Town Manager Erskine Smith, Mr. Crone’s supervisor, remains in his position and continues to operate still. Therefore I shall continue this Vigil until he, too, vacates any post he holds as a public official in Mooresville due to his role in this matter as well as other matters that have been brought to light.
The town board has placed Finance Director Maia Setzer in charge of oversight of the CFK process (including but not limited to any audits and investigations) which indicates that they, too, lack confidence and trust in the Interim Town Manager. Despite this lack of confidence, Mr. Smith remains in his position, a position to which the Finance Director reports.
The information I specifically refer to is:
1) documented misrepresentations made by Mr. Smith with regard to the nonprofit corporation known as Cops For Kids
2) Mr. Smith's direct recommendation to the town board to include the nonprofit corporation known as Cops For Kids into the town's general budget in the amount of $20,000
3) Mr. Smith's failure to perform due diligence in his capacity as Interim Town Manager by properly researching Cops For Kids prior to submitting his recommendation to the town board
4) Mr. Smith's involvement in a questionable commission in the amount of $237,151.50 as outlined in the Gatton Report blog entry dated 4/18/08 and titled “Friends don’t let friends gouge Mooresville taxpayers”, the contents of which have never been publicly disputed by Mr. Smith
5) Mr. Smith’s failure or refusal to change Mr. Crone’s status to “unpaid” suspension despite the surfacing of various contradictory statements made by Mr. Crone in the media since his suspension
6) Mr. Smith’s failure or refusal to fire Mr. Crone despite his assumed knowledge of the damning evidence presented in a Gatton Report articles dated July 22, 2008
7) Mr. Smith’s failure or refusal to insure that a complete financial audit is conducted and released of Cops For Kids records, despite the mayor’s assurance that this process had begun on July 8, 2008
8) Mr. Smith’s use of double standards when enforcing employment policies, as evidenced by his statements in the August 2008 “Town Voice”
9) The fact that Mr. Smith staunchly resisted firing Mr. Crone until after there was citizen unrest which resulted in a citizens protest on the Mooresville Town Hall on 8/4/08. The protest in turn brought about significant negative publicity for the town. Mr. Smith’s inexplicable delay in firing Mr. Crone therefore ultimately resulted in tarnishing the town’s reputation
This is Day No. 40.
The cameras at the PD have never recorded. Wonder why? It looks good to civilians visting the PD that it is a secure environment but the chief certainly did not want to record any of his "activities". As new as the PD is you would think that every aspect of the place would be secure, i.e., the evidence room. I know that there are many officers at the PD who are glad that the chief is gone. I hate that all of you had to be made to look bad. There are still a couple of the higher ranking officers that need to go. Maybe now they will be more careful about who they stab in the back.
one of the benefits of having ADHD -- I can do multiple things at the same time
What time is the meeting tomorrow and where? I didn't see a public notice, so are we invited?
OK....perhaps some of the Crone slush fund should've been used to purchase some tape machines.....then we could run the tapes on MI-Onnection to fulfill their 9 month old promise to provide "local programming".
5:45 PM – he’s a minister, he does three shows a week, and a matinee on Sundays -
I have no church, at best somewhere between a deist and agnostic, when not flirting with down right atheism…although I did enjoy the catholic school system for some years...go sacred heart.
Anyway, I’d say 'larry' is working, his job as I would expect from my spiritual leader is to set an example, provide support, fight for the rights of his congregation, stand up to oppression, corruption etc...yadda yadda yadda...
Again not sure what kind of box you’d put your reverend in, but what he is doing is more than most men of faith, well just about all of use in town, that feel as he does but wont get involved.
Doesn’t mean he is always right, holier than thou etc or that you should agree with him, nor should he expect all to do so, but not sure what’s wrong with using his time in this manner, provided his members don’t either
Then again to be fair, we should try and see your side, just what do you think he should be doing all week?
What is so disturbing about this latest development is that at least two commissioners are telling us loudly and clearly that there is "a lack of flow of information".
What hopes do we, as a community, have of receiving information when the very people elected to represent us are getting stonewalled? The next obvious questions would be who is stonewalling them and why?
WOOOOHOOOO!!!!! GREAT NEWS!!!!! The MI-Connection fiasco has a new price tag.......drum roll please.....
$105 MILLION!!!!
Davidson just agreed to also borrow another $12.5 million....on top of the additional $12.5 TOM decided to borrow last month. Apparently Frank Rader was so busy with his Civics courses in 8th grade he missed Math.
If this was the Jerry Lewis Telethon we'd be doing great!
http://davidsonnews.net/2008/08/13/town-board-oks-additional-borrowing-for-cable/#more-3240
It's obvious they are being stonewalled by Smith. And Smith has forgotten who his boss is. He's thinking Joe Knox is going to come and bail him out. But Bill Thunberg ain't no Joe Knox. He only dreams to manipulate like Joe, but he is an emperor with no clothes. Joe always managed to remain fully clothed. Thunberg looks like he's streaking right out of town. Oh yeah, they call him the streak. And his streak will end soon.
8:31 it looks like it is the same $12.5 million with Davidson just agreeing to back up the debt that the Mooresvillians are on the hook for. Still bad enough at $92.5 million or 1/10 of a billion dollars.
Wrong, 8:31 p.m. They're not borrowing 12.5 mill more. They're agreeing to what Mooresville borrowed. They had to do that because they signed an interlocal agreement w/ Mooresville that means they, too, are responsible for the money. Read the article again. Here's a quote:
"Mooresville’s Town Board earlier this month approved borrowing the $12.5 million. Tuesday night’s action commits Davidson to help repay the additional loan."
My bad....I read the front page and then jumped to the article. Hadn't read anything about a new building before so I assumed it was NEW funding. And when you "assume".......
Frank.....please don't fault my fellow "Fruit Loops".....7th grade really was tough for me.
Hey, it's all the same. $92.5 M or $105 million. It's a lot of money. 95% of the people at minimum were against the town buying the cable and they shoved it down our throats. Those days are over. If they had tried to do it this year, we would have been in the streets.
I don't have Radars calculator but according to the 2000 cencus the ToM has encumbered EVERY PERSON to the tune of +$4900 each for the cable debacle. This kind of thinking and the many other "mismanagement catastrophes" that the Town "leadership" has tolerated (starting with Rick McLean)has me convinced that it's time to take my business elsewhere before the house of cards (all jokers) comes tumbling down. Do you think I'm the only one!!!??!!
Smith also allowed ex-library employee Karen Kahn access to her office after allegations were made.
I certainly hope the SBI doesn't take "years" as Carney says. I'm glad to see more than 2 of the commisioners taking their job seriously.
Here's the deal, boys:
FIRE SMITH
Don't wait until Husemann gets here, do it now.The town can run another 2 weeks with no manager.It has all this time, besides Ms. Moore is still on her throne so we should be fine.
How many lawsuits are we going to be served with until this idiocy stops.I wouldn't blame Husemann if he called up and said,"Uh, I don't think so...see ya".
Perhaps if Mr.Frankie Bowtie had used his email for communication rather than data, things would be a little clearer to him.Imbecile.
With carney, we have 4 who will terminate regardless of the mayor's infamous tiebreakers.
Do what we put you there to do or I demand you quit.
Looks to me like the commishes who want accountability are being kept out of the loop. You think for a minute Erskine Smith is keeping people like Thunberg or Rader out of the loop? Hell no. They get their nice little off the record phone calls that we can't get through public records. What they weren't thinking about is how much we can deduct from the glaring ABSENCE of information being sent to certain elected officials (uhum uhum The Big Four). This is how people like Smith have been conducting business for years and years. Now it's all out there for us to see. Thank you Jaime for your great work in opening up this constipated local government and exposing its underbelly.
And thanks are due to the elected officials who are not taking "no" for an answer from administration.
Problem for Smith and Thunberg and crowd is that now that the people are running the town, the shoe is on the other foot. They are going to see what it feels like to be on the outside looking in. Except what makes it even more powerful is that the people who now are running the town have the proper motives and are doing it the right way, out in the open.
FYI -- the Town Board meeting called for today was held at 7AM. Anyone know what they discussed?
Sorry. I should have posted the notice. The Tribune will have something in tomorrow's paper about anything that happened at the meeting. Here's what was discussed:
The Town of Mooresville Board of Commissioners
have scheduled a special meeting on August 14, 2008
at 7:00 a.m. in Room 3211 at Mooresville Town Hall for
discussion of the following:
1. Amend the Utility Service Agreement between MAG Land
Development, L.L.C. and the Town of Mooresville.
2. Agreement between Buckeye Construction Co., Inc. and the
Town of Mooresville to amend and assign the contract for
the Rocky River 42" Gravity Sewer Extension.
Jaime,
Why would they call it a personnel meeting if they're discussing contracts?
Actually, they didn't call it a personnel meeting -- it was just a "special called meeting."
Commissioner Miles Atkins tried to add personnel to the agenda, but he wasn't allowed to since the meeting had already been advertised.
Hope that clarifies.
Somebody needs to look at those deals with MAG and Buckeye. MAG was supposed to install the sewer line at their expense as part of their deal to do Curtis Pond. Apparently MAG did not pay Buckeye so Buckeye quit work. Then Mooresville taxpayers are paying $75,000 for a stop gap. Is the town now contracting directly with Buckeye? Is MAG going to pay like they were supposed to? What penalty is MAG going to face if they don't pay like they were supposed to? MAG has raped that land with their development and it would appear that the taxpayers are going to foot the bill for MAG's unfulfilled commitment, at least to the tune of $75,000 and maybe for much, much more. Or, maybe Frank Rader is going to make sure we collect every dime that MAG owes on this deal. Go get 'em Frank, the taxpayer's friend.
This article should say John Crone.
Little Egg Harbor fire official gets 3 years for theft from raffle ticket sales
By KATHLEEN HOPKINS
TOMS RIVER BUREAU
A former Little Egg Harbor fire commissioner was sentenced Friday to three years in state prison for official misconduct in connection with his theft of the proceeds of the sale of raffle tickets that was supposed to benefit the Mystic Island Volunteer Fire Company.
Superior Court Judge Wendel E. Daniels imposed the prison term on Woodrow Nelson under a plea bargain the defendant reached with the state Attorney General's Office.
The plea bargain spared him the potential of receiving a 10-year prison term.
Nelson, 50, now of Absecon, pleaded guilty Feb. 1 to official misconduct, admitting to Daniels that he kept the proceeds of raffle tickets he sold between June 1, 2006 and Sept. 30, 2006.
Under the plea bargain, Deputy Attorney Genreal Erik Daab said he would not oppose Nelson's entry into the state Parole Department's Intensive Superivision Program, in which prisoners are given early release but monitored closely in the community.
In addition, charges of theft and passing a bad check were dismissed.
Nelson already has made restitution to the fire company, officials said.
Nelson had been appointed in 2006 to fill a vacancy on the board of Little Egg Fire
District 2, which covers Mystic Island. He was removed later that year, when officials
learned he was no longer living in the district. His removal occurred around the same time the theft of the raffle ticket proceeds came to light.
Nelson is one of three onetime Little Egg Harbor fire commissioners from District 2 to be convicted of crimes recently.
Edward "Tony" Kluver, 49, onetime commissioner and longtime chief of the Mystic
Island Fire Company, was sentenced in January to three years in prison for official
misconduct. He had served as a commissioner from 1996 until his sentencing.
Leroy Kaufman, 66, was sentenced in February to three years on probation for theft. Kaufman was first elected a fire commissioner in 1988 and served until his sentencing.
Kluver and Kaufman had admitted taking part in a scheme in which they transferred the titles of fire district vehicle's to each other. An indictment charging the pair accused Kluver of signing over the title to the district's 1993 Chevrolet Blazer to Kaufman in 2002, and Kaufman of signing over the title of the district's 1996 Dodge pickup truck to Kaufman the same year.
Kaufman's attorney has said that his client went along unwittingly, believing that
the vehicles were being traded in to Ocean Chevrolet, and that they were going to buy them back from the dealership.
1:47
was this in maine?
Does anybody know if Erskine Smith is still sitting in Town Hall collecting a paycheck?
In Wayte v. United States, the Supreme Court held that to demonstrate
selective prosecution a defendant must show that he received
disparate treatment and that his prosecution was improperly
motivated. Disparate treatment arises if others similarly situated
are not prosecuted; improper purpose exists when selection is
"deliberately based upon an unjustifiable standard such as race,
religion, or other arbitrary classification. (ie, one wears a badge)"
1) Disparate Treatment – Do I need to define this for you Mr. Frank?
It is not about skin color although most cases are brought about that
way.
2) Similarly Situated – Do I need to define this for you as well Mr.
Frank, Crone and I are not similar anything, we are(in case)
identical twins.
3) Improperly Motivated – How about this, know the definition of this
Mr Frank? Mr Crone is a police fundraiser who wears a badge. I am a
police fundraiser that does not, I would imagine that raising money
for cops who make less would be a motivating factor, and holy cow,
that would be improper if ever anything was.
It matters not what anyones intent was under 14-100
which brings me to the next point.
4) Arbitrary Classification – Mr Crone wears a badge and I do not. I
am going to define this for you because it appears you know not the
meaning.
1. Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity,
reason, or principle: stopped at the first motel we passed, an
arbitrary choice.
2. Based on or subject to individual judgment or preference: The diet
imposes overall calorie limits, but daily menus are arbitrary.
3. Established by a court or judge rather than by a specific law or
statute: an arbitrary penalty.
4. Not limited by law; despotic: the arbitrary rule of a dictator.
Guess what, Mr. Frank that is GAME SET MATCH!
Mr Frank I am giving you this information as a courtesy, Don’t make
me do this, I AM BEGGING YOU, don’t make me do this, because I will
have your license to practice law in the end. I know the burden of
proof for you to violate the 14th, and guess what you are violating
it, the state is violating it and the feds are violating me by not
doing anything about you, and I will not have it.
Unless you have no clue who I am, (in which case you should resign
now anyway) then you know I will win. The Supreme Court has already
sided with my cause on numerous cases). Your done, you have one week
to right this wrong, or as I promised Crone, I will have you for
lunch as well.
But not to worry Mr. Frank, I don’t just get you, I get another DA
(the one that screwed me) in another County at the same time. Don’t
make me do this. I believe you are a good man caught up in something
you do not understand. I believe they call you collateral damage.
This is your one and only heads up, now get all those jackals you
have working to find a way out and mine will work to keep you in.
Only difference is mine have teeth.
BTW, try to come get me now and you will martyr (literally) me but
this wont stop before your license to practice law is in my coffin.
MY people will continue.
Continue this line Mr. Frank and my advice to you would be to get a
lawyer, matter of fact get a bunch, none will be able to get you out
of this though.
1 man 1 charge by Friday next week. I wish you luck. BTW, I don’t
care about the SBI. Or have you not figured that out by now?
Oh and before you try to quote United States V Armstrong, let me give
you this so you don’t waste time. Your going to need all you got.
Post-Armstrong, a defendant(4) claiming selective prosecution must
establish both that others similarly situated have not been
prosecuted(5) and that the government's selection was motivated by
invidious intent.
Please don’t make me get you more definitions, but I wish you luck if
you have not charged Crone by Friday.
Tic Toc
why yes, Erskine was seen strolling from the office to have lunch at Bob's Hot Dogs uptown today without a care in the world.
No surprise there. Erskine’s been thumbing his nose at the commissioners and the public for years. He does what he wants. You ever heard “Where’s Waldo?” Well, joke around Town Hall is “Where’s Erskine?” Let’s give him the boot and see how long he keeps thumbing his nose and strutting about like he owns this town.
I can tell you firsthand that Erskine is especially disdainful of the very people who put up with his tardiness, frequent absences from the job, and overall petulance…to him they’re the biggest suckers.
Tip-Tap, would you please...shut...the...hell..UP! Seriously, dude. You need help. I say this and I am just as much in favor of accountability as the next guy, but...jeez. You are absolutely delusional. Didn't you vow to slip away into the "ether" a while back? You personify that Brad Paisley song about being so much cooler online. Has mom made you a snack yet? Let it go. You made your point so stop with the long, rambling posts. PLEASE!
Aww, did I find a relitive of yours, you are a real piece of work. But not to worry, If you dont care about yourself, then I will find someone you do care about, I can feel I am getting warm.
But you really need to learn how to read and comprehend cause your job helping Crone was a complete FAILURE, much like your life. I wish I could tell you where I am right now, you would wet your pants.
Are you drinking the koolaid yet? Wont be long now, but maybe it is Hale Bopp you are wating for to come around again. Either way, stay out of my way. I swear to God you dont know what you are doing.
did I hear prosecutorial misconduct? Something about that has the ring of truth to it. It was Garry Frank's office, after all, under the un"watchful eye" of his protege, Alan Martin, that let Erskine Smith off the hook in early 2002, too. Smith went through the embezzling former library director's office and walked out with bags of "magazines", according to him. Problem was he did this BEFORE the investigative officer was allowed to go through her office, and he was in the MIDDLE of his investigation. Not to mention that Smith had been protecting her for months before a very persistent local activist FORCED the investigation. yep. Same D.A. was on the job then. This preferential treatment emboldened Smith to feel like he can do whatever he wants and that he is untouchable. Now the same D.A.'s office is telling us they couldn't find anything to prosecute at the golf course either when many thousands of dollars worth of inventory magically disappeared. So, does the D.A.'s office only prosecute poor or unconnected people now? What happened to "equal protection under the law"?
Learn to love it, Tip Tap. Crone's gonna get a free pass just like the golf course director did. That's the breaks. It's all in who you know. Hate it for all you's Crime Fighters. There's nothing you can do but yell and jump up and down.
Girl! Your blog is burning it up! I ran into somebody in Charlotte who's on it! How do you do it in between diaper changes and homework and making dinner?
I found this the other day and I knew it was for you:
Powerful Woman's Motto
"Live your life in such a way that when your feet hit the floor in the morning, Satan shudders and says, 'Oh, shit. She's awake!!!'"
Keep burning it up girl! Don't let nothing stop you!
Tip-tap. You gonna huff and puff and blow my house down? For someone who professes to be such a crimefighter, you sure do issue a lot of idle threats. I guess it is ok to threaten people and " someone you do care about" just because they point out the patently obvious...that you need help. All your rants are indicative of someone who had a lot of lunch money taken from them in their formative years. Just check yourself back into the hospital and, we sane folk, assure you this will all be dealt with. Go ahead, scary dude, quote some statute at me or tell me how you're gonna get me if I keep it up. Some kind of scary ultimatum would be cool, too. You personify "blowhard". I desperately miss "all caps". At least he was funny. You are sad. Pitiful really. I'm actually sorry, I'll stop now. You probably haven't had your medication yet. Hey, Jaime, I know you don't censor anything, but this guy really hurts your (worthwhile, in my opinion) cause.
After I leave my family members funeral, what say you and I settle this like a couple of men? I'm here. You?gvkklw
My email is on this blog, lets take this private and see what happens, or can you not find my email?
Just in case you dont know what I am talking about, because I know you are not real quick, I am talking about a face to face discussion.
Come on Sparky, I thought it would be better you and I discuss this like men and in person. I am changing my whole trip just for you.
We will be in town till Sunday then I am told I have go back into the "ether" which you seem to remember.
Bt it appears your memory is not real good or at least selective, so email me and lets meet??
We would like to talk to you about that stuff in your face at the very least and I would love to hear some more of your views on fired chief crone, or about what is going to happen in the future to on the way with Frank to the Supreme Court.
Oh but wait I guess I forgot not only can you not read your not capable of abstract OR logical thought.
But thats ok, I would have gone slow for you.
Guess you just like to arm chir quaterback and not really get into the game.
DOnt waste my time anymore, besides you have other things to worry about then me.
I will only be addressing people from now on who I address first. No one else exists unless they choose to email me.
Jaimies blog is a conduit for me to speak and the train has already left Mooresville and is heading out to the county.
Good luck Sparky, I really hope clean your life up.
Anyone else wants to talk to me, email me, I will only post directed comments. But will only respond to the 3 groups of people I mention before.
Tic Toc
Tic Toc do us all a favor and go get a job or maybe a girlfriend. I hear the SBI brought in the FBI who in turn contacted the Secret Service who is now in dicussion with NATO because they all are worrid about the info. you have on the TOM employees. Man you have the whole world buzzing about your inside knowledge and your uncanny ability to look up insignificant court cases. I bet when next Friday comes and goes there will be no charges against Mr. Crone. An investigation takes a little longer than a month especially if you want all the dirt. Good luck on your vacation to the funny farm.
I say post away.. Tic Toc.. You have as much a right to post on here as anyone else.. and besides, I love your posts! You rock!
tic toc 9 0clock am sat. at hood field. Face to face.... puhlease do you think this is high school. What do you want to do beat on a woman.
tic tac
Okay, back to the issue at hand: Why is Crone still on the payroll? Oops, I forgot. They fired him after the march on town hall. Okay, uh, why is Erskine Smith still on the payroll? Maybe Thunberg will break his self-imposed silence and answer that question.
I have a question... if the transfer of money from the Evidence Room to the CFK account was in violation of an actual law then why hasn't Crone at the very least been charged with that? They can continue to investigate and bring more charges as necessary but according to the Tribune report one law has been broken.
If I stole a pack of gum from Wal Mart and was caught I would be arrested..... That is where the special treatment of some comes in to play. The public trust will never be regained until someone has the nerve to stand up and do what is right.
Stealing a pack of gum is a little easier to prove. It's in your pocket and you didn't pay. Investigators need to be 100% sure of everything. We are living in a society where you can spill a cup of hot coffee on yourself and sue the company who served it to you. As far as standing up for something right the TOM no longer has Crone on payroll and that seems to say something. In business sometimes its easier and cheaper to cut ties and avoid the courts if the DA wants to go for it then so be it. Just my thoughts and opinions.
Sounds like a true member of the board speaking. Obviously it would be up to the DA to press charges. But you're right cut ties and let it go! That's the way we do it in Mooresville.
This is a continuation of the "Count Up Vigil" of the number of days which pass from the day Cops For Kids scandal broke (7/4/08) to the day that Police Chief Crone and Interim Town Manager Erskine Smith are both suspended, terminated or resign.
The Police Chief was suspended (with pay) on Tuesday, 7/8/08. He was terminated on 8/8/08. The community is clearly relieved and deeply grateful that Mr. Crone has vacated his post. However, serious questions continue to mount with regard to Mr. Smith's decision to continue paying Mr. Crone a salary for the intervening month.
Interim Town Manager Erskine Smith, Mr. Crone’s supervisor, remains in his position and continues to operate still. Therefore I shall continue this Vigil until he, too, vacates any post he holds as a public official in Mooresville due to his role in this matter as well as other matters that have been brought to light.
The town board has placed Finance Director Maia Setzer in charge of oversight of the CFK process (including but not limited to any audits and investigations) which indicates that they, too, lack confidence and trust in the Interim Town Manager. Despite this lack of confidence, Mr. Smith remains in his position, a position to which the Finance Director reports.
The information I specifically refer to is:
1) documented misrepresentations made by Mr. Smith with regard to the nonprofit corporation known as Cops For Kids
2) Mr. Smith's direct recommendation to the town board to include the nonprofit corporation known as Cops For Kids into the town's general budget in the amount of $20,000
3) Mr. Smith's failure to perform due diligence in his capacity as Interim Town Manager by properly researching Cops For Kids prior to submitting his recommendation to the town board
4) Mr. Smith's involvement in a questionable commission in the amount of $237,151.50 as outlined in the Gatton Report blog entry dated 4/18/08 and titled “Friends don’t let friends gouge Mooresville taxpayers”, the contents of which have never been publicly disputed by Mr. Smith
5) Mr. Smith’s failure or refusal to change Mr. Crone’s status to “unpaid” suspension despite the surfacing of various contradictory statements made by Mr. Crone in the media since his suspension
6) Mr. Smith’s failure or refusal to fire Mr. Crone despite his assumed knowledge of the damning evidence presented in a Gatton Report articles dated July 22, 2008. We have since learned that Mr. Smith had knowledge of the illegal transfer of funds from the Police Evidence Room on July 4
7) Mr. Smith’s failure or refusal to insure that a complete financial audit is conducted and released of Cops For Kids records, despite the mayor’s assurance that this process had begun on July 8, 2008
8) Mr. Smith’s use of double standards when enforcing employment policies, as evidenced by his statements in the August 2008 “Town Voice”
9) The fact that Mr. Smith staunchly resisted firing Mr. Crone until after there was citizen unrest which resulted in a citizens protest on the Mooresville Town Hall on 8/4/08. The protest in turn brought about significant negative publicity for the town. Mr. Smith’s inexplicable delay in firing Mr. Crone therefore ultimately resulted in tarnishing the town’s reputation
This is Day No. 42.
Does anyone know if cameras at MPD are now on and active? This should be a priority.
Does anyone know if cameras at MPD are now on and active? This should be a priority.
Saw todays TRIBUNE, someone needs to tell Mitch Abraham to shut up untill he can talk like an adult! Please Mitch, Crone can't help you anymore. Where were you when others were fired? Did you ever ask the real reason? Did you look for the evidence, or ask questions? NO, you ignored it all. Give it up and realize that John is gone for good. And he has alot of time to think about all the evil he has done to others, But he had the help of Phil Blocker, but the law-suit will probally take care of him, Go NITZU.
For those of you who might be interested in helping out, I've posted the petition to change the town charter at cfrgm.org. We need close to 2,000 signatures in order to bring this issue to the town board, which I'm sure we can do with no problem. If you are willing to sign and/or collect signaturs, please visit the site and download a copy of the petition. If all you want to do is sign, it may be simpler or you to get in touch with me so I can meet up with you to get your signature.
speaking of lond and boring, can we cut count down vigil to just This is day---whatever please? The copy/paste is wearing a little thin. We all get the point by now.
Mr. Rader prides himself in grammatical accuracy, yet he chooses to answer questions in this fashion:"Frank Comment".
To 11:18
The PD was built in 2002 and the cameras have not recorded since that time. The chief could watch on monitors in his office but they did not record. Also, the dispatchers could watch the monitors. The gym was video and sound equipped. Go figure. Why would you want to listen to people talk while they are working out. Probably in case they said something incriminating or against the chief.
I don't think the "recall" idea is good idea. Yes, I'm disagreeing with you, Mr. Green.
Every squabble and disagreement that comes up will have someone insisting on a recall.
Think it through.
You go get em' "Tic Toc" Shouldn't M.R. be more like it?
Another "old" yet "new" mouthpiece for C.H?
Three former detectives for the Brooklyn District Attorney's office have been charged with illegally soliciting millions of dollars from businesses through a fraudulent police charity they set up 10 years ago, the Manhattan District Attorney announced yesterday.
Three former detectives for the Brooklyn District Attorney's office have been charged with illegally soliciting millions of dollars from businesses through a fraudulent police charity they set up 10 years ago, the Manhattan District Attorney announced yesterday.
The three, along with eight others who were arrested yesterday, raised $600,000 a year by asking executives to contribute to an organization they called the New York State District Attorney Police Benevolent Association, the Manhattan District Attorney, Robert M. Morgenthau, said.
They told the businesses that the group was a nonprofit organization that helped the families of police officers killed in the line of duty, Mr. Morgenthau said at a news conference at his office at 100 Centre Street.
"The group is not registered with the state as a charity. The authorities said the group's members kept all but about $4,000 a year, which was spent on insurance they sold to police officers on Long Island. 'Highly Profitable Scheme'
When making telephone solicitations, Mr. Morgenthau said, the men referred to their organization as a P.B.A., although it had no affiliation with the Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, which represents the 22,000 uniformed police officers in New York City.
"Mr. Morgenthau said no legitimate police charity solicits money by telephone."
''What these people did was use the public's sympathy and support for our police to run a highly profitable scheme to defraud,'' Mr. Morgenthau said.
''It's this kind of thing that brings law enforcement into disrepute.''
He said the group's leader, Joseph Tarantola of Tannersville, Pa., who is 48 years old, was an investigator with the Brooklyn District Attorney's office from 1972 until 1977. Two of his associates held the same post: Neil Lombardo, 44, of 2254 East 21st Street in the Sheepshead Bay section of Brooklyn, from 1970 until 1983; and Clark Simmons, 66, of 115 Ashland Place in the Fort Greene section of Brooklyn, from 1969 until 1977. 'Got to Help Our Boys'
Repeated efforts to reach Mr. Tarantola by telephone at his home and business yesterday were unsuccessful. However, in an interview published in the summer in his organization's newsletter, The Empire State Investigator, he defended the group and called the investigation ''dirty pool.'' He also said that stress from the inquiry had caused him health problems.
The authorities said the scheme was brought to their attention by executives who said telephone solicitors had harassed them about donating money.
''They would call and say, 'Eleven of our members have been shot this year, you've got to help our boys,' '' Mr. Morgenthau said.
Sometimes, the solicitors said that a $1,000 donation would gain the contributor the use of a police squad car for the weekend, Mr. Morgenthau said.
According to the authorities, the group also bilked about 100 police detectives, most of them from Nassau and Suffolk counties, to whom they sold memberships. The officers received fewer benefits than they were promised. Chief in the Back Seat
As part of the scheme, officials said, the group sold official-looking silver shields bearing their organziation's name for up to $1,000 each, and suggested that the shields would help people avoid traffic tickets and gain preferential treatment from the police.
''They would say, 'If you're a member of our organization and you contribute, it's like having the chief sitting in your back seat,'' he said.
The Manhattan District Attorney began looking into the scheme in 1985, after an investigation by the State Attorney General's office proved inconclusive. Mr. Morgenthau's office would not elaborate on the State Attorney General's unsuccessful inquiry. Harold Wilson, head of the Manhattan District Attorney's special prosecution bureau, said investigators gathered evidence through an undercover police officer who posed as a solicitor for the organization for several months.
On Monday, the police raided 15 offices in Brooklyn, the Bronx, Manhattan, Queens and on Long Island that they described as ''boiler rooms'' for the group's telephone solicitations.
The group's newsletter, which it said was the ''winner of the police newspaper of the year award,'' included advertisements, some of them misspelled, for businesses that had given money to the group, Mr. Wilson said. Subscriptions cost $25 a year. Mr. Tarantola served as editor in chief and received a salary of $49,000 a year, according to the interview in the newsletter.
The others who have been arrested are: Richard Carpentieri, 28, of Valhalla, N.Y.; Jesse Johnson, 49, of 8829 Fort Hamilton Parkway in the Bay Ridge section of Brooklyn; Terry McGowan, 33, of 695 Humboldt Street in the Greenpoint section of Brooklyn; Mike Natale, 37, and Joe Natale, 28, both of 140-21 Donizetti Place in the Eastchester section of the Bronx; William Rogers, 29, of 1181 President Street in the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn; Dave Sadofski, 27, of Soundview Avenue in the Bronx, and Lester Soto, 31, of 15 Stuyvesant Oval on the Lower East Side of Manhattan.
As early as Monday, 8/4 night, assistant town manager Erskine Smith was on TV arrogantly and defiantly saying “it is what it is” when questioned about why he was still paying Crone a salary. One would have to suspend logic in order to believe that Smith was not backing Crone despite outrageous evidence that he and the entire community had already seen. He simply did not care whether what Crone had done was criminal or even just plain wrong. For that reason alone, he must go. There is no room for him and his standards of conduct in our local government any longer.
August 15, 2008 11:29 AM
You said "We all get the point by now." No actually I don't think people like you do get the point so the point will have to be REITERATED. Go VIGIL GUY. Keep on REITERATING for the hard of hearing. Those countdown days are racking up showing us just how long the town board is willing to hang on to dead weight like Smith at our expense and on our dime! Kinda like Smith sunk himself by dragging his feet on Crone. Now Smith's bosses are dragging their feet with him. We all know how it's turning out with Crone. Not so good. History repeats itself.
Hey Crone, I bet the words "DIRTY POOL" were spoken by you.
Oh wait thats right, it was something to the effect of "playing games on a anon bolg"
Shall we play a game Mr. Crone?
How about "lets make a deal"
BTW, what happened to any cases that you or the other officers who collected money were going to tesify in, did they really let someone with a history as long as yours of lying get on a witness stand?
Oh thats right, that list is not out and is still being withheld.
Mr. Frank, you need to reconsider putting any Mooresville Police officer on the stand untill it does, becasue until it comes out, the entire department is under State and Federal investigations for Fraud, and fraud Mr. Frank is a question of Lying.
TO the Mooresville Officers that did not collect money, I am going to enlist your help, how does it feel knowing that you are working with people who have taken your credibility at least for now, not to mention your ability to testify?
Perhaps you will want to put some presure on Mr. Frank for me to clear your good names. I could use the help. I know it does not feel good right now in Mooresville and I am glad that moral is higher, but how does it feel that your powers of arrest are compimisied until that list of stealing officers comes out.
Start applieing the pressure you need too to clear your names, they cant stop you from doing that on your own time. BUt right now none of you can testify in any case
Mr. Frank are you sure you dont want to make an arrest before Friday?
Gee I wonder what the criminals you put in prison based on testimony of officers from Mooresville think about this sitution over the last 10 years. I know exactly what I would be doing if I were them. BUt then you like plea bargins as it strips an innocent man the right to his day in court then and in the future but the most insidous part is if all you had was the testimony of tainted afficers, well....... you do that math Mr. Frank
DO you really want me to start on this path Mr. Frank? THat win lose record of yours will plummet and you know it. But then again I am going to need the beds in the NC prison system for the officers that took money and are guilty of many, many Class H and CLass C felonies.
I am telling you DO NOT make me do this, Mr. Frank.
You know as well as I do that the first thing you go after is somones credibility so that nothing they say will be believed on the stand.
You also know that I have alot more damage I can do with just a few words.
You sure you want to wait till Friday? ALl the evidence to convict is already in vivid color on this blog in the form of bank deposits, bank statements and video tape.
You have no choice, I dont care if the SBI is investigating, you and I both know you have more power to charge then even a judge does.
Mr. Crone said that no one has talked to him and he pants a polygraph test. THe expert hired by the town is an expert in polygraph tests, why do you suppose he has not given one to Crone already? It is becasue he already knows he is guilty of the crimes I laid out.
GOing to talk to a witness that you defrauded with that website and who will be called in the case is witness tampering, Mr. Crone.
Conspiracy to commit witness tampering carries a maximum statutory penalty of ten years imprisonment and a $250,000 fine, or both.
How many decades in prison do I need to stack up against you befpre you do the right thing.
BTW, Crone, dont leave the state in case they have not told you yet, I will. DOnt leave the state.
How do you like my game playing ability so far Crone?
Facts related to recall
1. Several municipalities already have a recall option.
2. I can find only two instances of recall elections in those municipalities: Troutman in the early 80s, and Greensboro in 2007.
3. Obtaining the necessary signatures required to force a recall is one safeguard in place to prevent frivolous use of recall.
4. A recall, as proposed, would require misfeasance, malfeasance, or gross misconduct in office.
In regards to the weight room being video taped and sound in it there is a good reason for it.
Several years ago there were several instances (not in Mooresville) where someone would be working out alone and then would become ill or a bar bell or something would fall on them and they had no way to call for help.
They then started started monitoring the weight room area. This is not only in Mooresville but in all PD and FD rooms where there is not an attendant there all the times. Now people are also asked to work out in pairs again to prevent injuies or death
Hey Crone, Smith, Rader, Thunburg and Frank.
I swear to god you all better start changing your tunes because if you dont, I am going to line all of you, (except Frank, we are going to the Supreme Court)up in side by side cells.
You people are going to start doing what I ask, which is for all of you to do the right thing.
Hey Crone, these people are no different then you, but notice who got the longest sentences. Are they really raising money for cops with badges on their chest, really good thinking guys, the proverbial book is coming down on all of you.
BTW, to Rader Smith and Thunberg, Resign now before I really get upset. You will give these people back their government.
Read on!
Three men have been sentenced to state prison for their role in bilking more than 50,000 Bay Area donors out of $3.5 million solicited for underpriviliged children through a pair of phony charities set up in Santa Clara County.
The money was raised on behalf of the "Santa Clara County Police and Sheriffs' Athletic League" and the "Deputy Sheriffs' Athletic League" between 1993 and 2000. But only $50,000 of that money ever found its way to charitable purposes, officials said.
Sentencing came Wednesday, six months after a lengthy trial resulted in their conviction by a jury.
More than 30 witnesses had testified that telemarketers they believed were representing law enforcement agencies had contacted them and solicited money on behalf of the needy, including the family of a slain Milpitas police officer.
Matthew Kellner, 49, a commercial fundraiser who operated the Family Entertainment Group, was sentenced to 11 years, four months for conspiracy, grand theft, insurance fraud, embezzlement, perjury and tax fraud.
His brother, George Kellner, a 51-year-old attorney, was sentenced to six years, four months for tax fraud and perjury.
But Santa Clara County Superior Court Judge Paul Bernal handed the stiffest sentence to Armand Tiano, 66, a former county sheriff's lieutenant. He got 17 years, eight months for conspiracy, grand theft, insurance fraud, embezzlement, perjury and tax fraud.
Nine others involved in the fraud previously had pleaded guilty. Charges against a tenth, the Kellers' 77-year-old mother, were dismissed.
See the types of people I am enlisting to help me with this, and I dont mean the ones in Jail either?
DO you think we know what we are talking about yet?
WHat do you think, how is our game going guys???
You still watching, I have more to tell the people of Mooresville to get thier attention. THere will be aother march I hope, when I am done with this line.
Ready, its your turn guys, what ya got? Nothing? Ok then let me go again then.
Tic Toc
Tic Toc.... was your deadline for a charge to be filed today or next Friday? I don't think you will see it becuase I don't think they are taking you very seriously.
We have now seen that there is and has been lawlessness at the top echelon of our local government, condoned by others in that echelon. The former police chief has finally been fired. Now his immediate supervisor must be fired to send the message that disregard for the law will not be tolerated in this town – by anyone.
David is that you sticking your neck out again? Welcome back...
I got news for all you people. If Erskin Smith could fit in the mayor's pocket that's where he'd live his days. He's Thunberg's boy through and through. He keeps Thunberg in the know. He's Thunberg's eyes and ears and hands and legs. They got each other's back bigtime. Thunberg can't afford to lose Erskin no matter what.
True. Now we will see how far out on the limb Thunberg will go. The typical Thunberg M.O. is to leave his friends out hangin at the last minute. He doesn't like the bright lights of exposure. So, Smith oughta be workin on his resume right now. He just better be ready for when Thunberg is going to dump him. Thunberg probably won't give him the decency of saying "hey Smith, I'm gonna bail on you, so you ought to just resign and you can get you a job somewhere else". More likely scenario is Smith will have to be told to pack it up and he'll wonder why his buddy the mayor didn't save him.
08/22/2008 Friday
Now lets bring in the FOP, that is the Ferternal Order of Police for those of you that dont know who they are, look them up. 300,000 members strong, let me just say this, you better start helping me with this becasue dont forget I know every in and out of how you "raise" your money. Hell you all are not even a 501 C 3, dont make do this, you will start to contact your elected officials on behalf of the people of Mooresville and you will clean this house out or I will tare your house donw quick fast and in a hurry.
I know some of you are reading this, go to your lodge and talk to the men at the top of those lodges and ask them how they "raise" the money you use.
Dont forget I know what pitches you use as well, and that puts you all in the same boat as Crone and Company. Help solve this and I will leave you alone and let you keep doing what you are doing, ootherwise I will see to it that all of your professional fundraisers go to prison, do you know how many that is, it is thousands. You will help me or you will never see another dime,
Crone and COmpnay did not take me seriously either, but I suggest you do, no I take that make, I dont suggest anything, you will do what I ask, or I start plucking off your professional fundraisers untill you get the messege that I am not playing games with this industry. It will come crashing down in a big heap of crap.
How is the game coming so far boys, did you go yet?
Maybe we should start with IUPA instead, for those of you that dont know them, that stands for Internation Union of Police Association, you two groups have been at it for years I guess you cant decide who steals more money, but I can tell you and I will if you all dont help me either. THis game is over, I am going to burn it down.
How do you all like me now. Check it out, all you members of both groups and you will find out I am dead serious and you will also find out that I am more then capable of doing it.
YOU WILL HELP ME, 1 charge for 1 man, are you all this dumb to let me do this, hell let me, that implies you have a choice.
SHould the "games" I play mr Crone continue or will you submit to that 1 class H felony, you see the lengths I am willing to go to,
TO the FBI, have you added the numbers up going to prison yet, I am working on it, be glad both those groups use paid fundraisers and not actual Police Officers, but it is still fraud now matter who you use.
Your turn guys!
Reading Tic toc's 4:52 post it appears he is now into his second 12 pack. Cheers!
New Jersey Sues Professional Fund-raiser
and Four Charities for Badge Fraud
GOd everything has to be done the hard way.
Believe me now, I bet all of them wish I never was born, or at least they will if they dont do what I say and help me
People should really be wondering what else I know, not questioning what I show you I know, that is what should be scary
What else ya got boys, are we even still playing the game, Today is for fun, Next friday is for real
NEWARK -New Jersey is prosecuting a professional fund-raiser, its principals and four corrections unions alleging they misled citizens through widespread and aggressive telemarketing campaigns to get them to give nearly $2 million in charitable donations to the unions, Attorney General John Farmer Jr., and Mark S. Herr said.
The State's 12-count complaint, filed in Monmouth County Superior Court, alleges that Community Affairs, Inc. ("Community Affairs"), of Woodbridge, violated the State's Charitable Registration and Investigation Act ("CRIA") between 1997 and 2000 when it used telemarketers, posing as State Troopers and local police, to tell thousands of prospective donors that it was raising money to buy bullet-proof vests for local police officers and to contribute to widows and orphans and scholarship funds.
In fact, the State Police does not solicit funds from the public and the solicitors were not State Troopers or local police officers.
At no time did the fundraiser or the unions tell donors that the money would go to jail guards' unions. Despite the claims made by the professional fund-raiser's battery of telemarketers about how the donations would be used, the fundraiser kept most of the money, $1.6 million, as fund-raising fees and no money went to local police or State Police. Instead, the money went to the four corrections locals. No more than 1.4 percent $26,000 of the $1.9 million raised was used to buy vests; less than 1 percent $9,000 of the $1.9 million was donated to the widows and orphans and scholarship funds.
The complaint also alleges that two of the unions purchased no bullet-proof vests at all until after Consumer Affairs subpoenaed their records and not until approximately a year after their fund-raising campaigns ended.
Instead, of the $300,000 actually retained by the defendant union locals, one union used $100,000 to invest, while the defendants together spent $106,000 of the $300,000 they retained after the campaigns on legal and accounting fees. At no time in the solicitations did Community Affairs or the union locals tell prospective donors they would use contributions sought in the name of protecting local police for investments and legal fees.
In addition to Community Affairs, the suit names as defendants, Burlington County Corrections Officers PBA Local # 249 ("PBA # 249"), of Mt. Holly and Pemberton, Somerset County Corrections Officers PBA Local # 177 ("PBA #177"), of Somerville, Union County Corrections Officers FOP Lodge # 123 ("FOP # 123"), of Elizabeth, and the New Jersey Superior Officers Law Enforcement Association ("NJSOLEA"), of Vineland.
The suit also names Community Affairs' principals, Christopher Heins, of Neshanic Station, and Louis Ferreira, of Edison. Community Affairs' principal place of business is located at 321 Main Street, Woodbridge; but it also conducted telemarketing campaigns from locations in Linden, Belmar, Trenton and West Virginia.
The suit also alleges that at least one defendant, PBA #249, tried to mislead State regulators by filing phony reports with Consumer Affairs, Herr said. The suit also alleges widespread problems with Community Affairs' reporting for 28 other organizations, including FOP 123, PBA 177 and NJSOLEA. The other organizations are not named as defendants.
The complaint also alleges Community Affairs concealed or misrepresented the identity of corrections officers unions in written solicitations. They also allegedly sent "donors" invoices thanking them for their pledges and requesting payment by a certain date even though the supposed "donors" had only requested information or, in fact, had refused to contribute. In other instances, the complaint alleges, Community Affairs sent invoices to people who had died.
"We call this Badge Fraud," Attorney General Farmer said. "and it is a multibillion-dollar enterprise that preys upon people's trust of the police and fire departments to boost a potential donor's willingness to give. Misrepresenting who you are, or what cause you're soliciting for, to ensure more donations, is not only reprehensible, but unlawful as well."
"There's no law which says you have to donate to charity," Herr said, "but the law does say that if you ask someone to donate, you have to tell the truth. These defendants did not tell the truth. They lied and committed fraud."
"If these unions wanted the public to pick up the tab for their legal fees and provide them with funds to invest, they should have come straight out and asked for it. I doubt that many of the public would have wanted to pay the jail guards unions' bills or give them money to invest, but that would have been an honest pitch and one which the potential donors could have decided on the merits. Instead, the defendant's deceit deprived the donors of the truth and that broke the law," Herr said.
Community Affairs misled potential donors as to the identities of the organizations and purposes so that it and the other defendants could take advantage of strong support for local police and fire fighters some of the most popular charitable appeals, Herr said.
A recent survey by the American Association of Retired Persons indicates that 42 percent of people are more inclined to give to a solicitor representing firefighters, 39 percent are more willing to donate to solicitors representing police or sheriffs associations, while 35 percent more inclined to give to a telemarketer calling from veterans organizations, Herr said.
"These are the people they trust the most and view their causes as near and dear to their hearts. That is why we do what we can to stop those who would take advantage of that trust," he said.
In fact, the fund-raising appeals relied on these very sentiments.
The State's suit alleges that PBA #249 asked Community Affairs to help it raise money to pay for a new union building and to pay for legal bills incurred for contract negotiations. But Community Affairs told PBA # 249 if it wanted to maximize fund-raising, it had to tell people of a more sympathetic goal and told PBA #249 to tell prospective donors the money would be used to buy bulletproof vests.
In February 1997, the complaint alleges, Community Affairs began telemarketing consumers and sending solicitation materials to potential donors about PBA #249's "Bulletproof Vest Fund-raising Campaign."
The drive raised more than $250,000, of which the PBA retained only $37,000. PBA #249 then spent a mere $4,260 of the $250,000 to buy only six bullet-proof vests. In contrast, it spent three times that amount, $14,000, on its legal fees. At no time in the fundraising appeal did PBA #249 ever tell donors it was asking for charitable gifts to pay for its contract negotiations.
The suit also alleges that PBA #249 then attempted to hide its actions from Consumer Affairs by submitting false reports about its fundraising. State law requires organizations which raise more than $100,000 to provide extensive disclosures of their financial activity. But PBA # 249, which raised $250,000, instead, submitted a short form disclosure report, suggesting it had earned less than $25,000 and that it did not hire a professional fund-raiser.
The complaint also alleges, that defendant PBA Local #177 and FOP Lodge #123, despite asking donors for contributions to buy bullet-proof vests, did not purchase vests until after the State subpoenaed their records. Of the $250,000 Community Affairs raised for PBA #177, the PBA kept $50,000 and paid $200,000 to the professional fund-raiser. Although the union eventually contributed $12,000 toward the purchase of vests, it spent $52,000 on legal and accounting expenses during the campaign.
The State's complaint also alleges Community Affairs raised $200,000 for FOP #123 and kept $166,000. The union got only $34,000 and then spent a mere $2,000 on five bullet-proof vests -1 percent of the total raised on behalf of the union in the name of bullet-proof vests . Community Affairs also raised $1.2 million for NJSOLEA ostensibly for scholarships and widows and orphans and kept $1 million, the complaint alleges. Of the $200,000 NJSOLEA got, it invested $100,000 and spent $40,000 on legal fees. While it spent $140,000 on itself, it used only $6,000 of the $1.2 million for widows and orphans, $8,000 on body armor and $3,000 on scholarships -1.4 percent of the total money raised for these causes.
The State's suit seeks an order requiring the defendants to pay restitution and civil penalties and barring Community Affairs from fund-raising in New Jersey.
The Community Affairs prosecution represents the latest attempt by the State to combat badge fraud. In 1997, Consumer Affairs joined with the Federal Trade Commission and 47 other states as part of "Operation False Alarm," a nationwide sweep aimed at combating badge fraud and warning donors of the threat it represented.
As part of that sweep, New Jersey sued Civic Development Group ("CDG") and the New Jersey State Law Enforcement Officers Association ("SLEOA") for violations of the CRIA alleging badge fraud.
Without admitting any wrongdoing, CDG agreed in December 1999 to pay the State $125,000 and to adopt new rules for their telemarketers to use during solicitation campaigns. SLEOA also settled Consumer Affairs' allegations by agreeing to obey the State's charities laws, to maintain records of consumer complaints and to pay a $50,000 penalty.
The CDG prosecution also led to separate investigations of and agreements with the New Jersey State Police Benevolent Association ("State PBA"), the New Jersey State Fraternal Order of Police ("State FOP") and the Firemens Mutual Benevolent Association ("FMBA") regarding their past fund-raising conduct. Under the agreements, the State PBA stopped telemarketing donors, while the State FOP and the FMBA agreed to spend at least $7,500 and $12,000, respectively, on a public education campaign.
In addition, Consumer Affairs negotiated a consent agreement with the State's Sheriff's Association to correct irregularities in its fundraising practices.
"We are taught from an early age to trust the men and women who serve and protect us," Attorney General Farmer said. "We will be relentless in prosecuting anyone who tries to take advantage of that trust and break that faith."
Deputy Attorney General Sharon A. McCloskey is handling the Community Affairs prosecution for the State.
SO far I am only posting public information, just wait till I get to the real stuff, the private stuff on how all this works.
FOP, IUPA, are you all on the phone yet???
This is not about the police fraternal organizations, some of which are well managed and some of which aren't. That debate is for another place, but certainly not under this section of the blog. So posters, even if you can make some good points about police charities in general, try to be fair to the other bloggers, and focus more on the issues related to the article that you are commenting about. Plus, the long posts tend to get ignored anyway. Just a suggestion.
Who wants the text of the BUllet Proof Vest Pitch, How about the Dare Drug Pitch, How about the Dead Cop Pitch, How about the Vans for Vets Pitch, How about the FIre Department Stop Drop and Roll Pitch.
All fraud, all illegal, all include the words, your contibution is 100% tax deductable. Guess what, none of them are.
How about the advertising sponser pitch, the year book pitch, the drug book pitch.
I can give them verbatim and they are unsed nationwide right now, in thousands of rooms across the country.
How about the mooch pitch, maybe you would like to hear widows and orphens pitch???
Anyone???? ANyone???
Are you listening FOP and IUPA, dont help me and you are done.
Believe me Iam not proud that I know them, let alone know them by heart.
Oh heres one, the bicycle rodeo pitch, or maybe the policemans ball pitch, or how about the tickets for chrismas programs.
SOmetimes people do things they are not proud of and then they do what I am doing to make up for it, by they way, under the law all that BS is legit, it is how they say it that is not. I never cross that line.
Oh and one last one, my favorite, the police sticker pitch. Every car you see on the road with a police sticker is a victim of fraud.
Bet you all did not know that did you?
Anyway, want to hear more, or shuld I just stop now? I can say whetever I want to now, I am out.
IT is about police charities. Period, and I am asking for thier help since no one else seems to be doing it, I only made info that public that was already public.
Believe me, I dont want to, but maybe the cops in those groups are good, but they hire orginized crime to do the dirty work, or maybe I better let that one drop for now.
I did not want it to come to this, I want thier help, 300,000 have a much more powerful voice then me alone.
Crone thought he could do what they do, so it is about them, someone tought him how to do it, NO ONE comes up with on thier own.
Sorry to disturb you
Tic Toc
BTW, I agree the groups are good as are the cops in them, it is the way they raise funds that is illegal every time.
Tic Toc
Interesting comments by the mayor today in the paper. Even with the police chief fired, T-berg is not ready to pass judgment. So, then, if there wasn't a reason to fire him yet, mayor, why the heck didya let your mgr fire him? Come on. Admit it, the guy should have been fired when the story broke and you saw the evidence. Or maybe you didn't want to know the evidence.
I just thought I would let you know what you are dealing with here when it comes to police fundraising and me,
A "trained" badge deal fundraiser knows 1 pitch with a script in front of them.
A good badge deal fundraiser knows knows 3, one police, one fire and one vets pitch, with a script.
An expert badge deal fundraiser knows 6 pitches, 2 police, 2 fire, and 2 vets with no script in front of them.
I know 46 verbatim pitches by memory and I have not seen a script in 15 years.
Are we still playing this game?
I swear to god the people I said are going to help me or as I say, not one more dine flows into your cofers.
And for you kiddies learning how to do this right now, QUIT before you make my list, because if you make my list you are going to prison, I promise.
Intent of what you are doing does not matter in the eyes of the law. You are in the wrong line of work, sell your fancy cars and buy a yugo and go back to school. You dont want the education the prison system will give you.
And plus, you dont know if your boss and his office are people I know and are going to fry first.
But I promise you, your industry is over right now, it just does not know it yet. Quit lying on the phone right now and I bet you dont make or raise one more dime
Tic Toc
Quick update on Mr. Rader and his willingness to answer the questions which have been asked regarding his supposed visits to the police department.
Mr. Rader is willing to have a "forum" on August 27th at 6pm at a location yet to be determined. He believes he may make this a monthly event, which I thought he already did with his Tom Chat sessions. At any rate, when asked if he was willing to answer the questions directly, Mr. Rader responded:
Thanks, Larry
It is an open forum, one I'll probably do monthly, so questions to and from me and discussions are expected to be engaged. There are limits about personnel, closed session material and civility. That means you'll get some questions, probably, too.
Let me know.
Mr. Rader avoids answering the question. In a follow-up e-mail to Mr. Rader I, again, asked if he was willing to answer the questions directly. His response:
Just a reminder.
You will have to talk with me. It will not be just sitting behind a keyboard. . . . . .
I am still unclear whether Mr. Rader plans on directly answering anything related to his presentations to the police department. Heck, he's not even willing to give a "yes or no" answer to my simple little question.
Anyone willing to meet with Mr. Rader on the 27th at 6pm to be part of his "forum"? I think it could be quite entertaining, myself.
I need to Gary Franks email and office number. DO t have the time to search right right now.
Hey Morresville,
Can you believe this crap, You all think this is true, Hey frank, you can run but you sure as hell cant hide, now I am starting to get pissed. Put your BS crap back up, are you afriad I am going to find a flaw in your remume???? I need your info, phone and email????
DO you think that was a good idea???
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Are you serious? What is wrong with you Gary Frank. Are you stupid to allow this to be done RIGHT NOW???????????
I guess we go to round two with you all?
Tic Toc,
Tic Toc I'm on to you! We may just add a couple of years to your little problem.
The North Carolina Conference of District Attorneys had objected to that provision because people who pleaded guilty in court can now proclaim their innocence. Garry Frank, the group's president, said it was "kind of making a mockery of the system."
I just found this Mr.Frank, now I want your license, yopu have no busines, with this record to be dealing with MY, let me repeat, MY case, You are as scummy as the rest of these idiots.
You should not be allowed to even serve me breakfast. Problem with you is that you dont think there are any innocent people. It is right their in black ind white, and you are the f'in president, you no longer thave the right to recuse yourself, I want your license!!
Are you insane? you must be? because you are the absolutley the wrong guy to have your fingerprints on this.
No wait, you are a fool, and now I am so mad that I want you in jail, you are holding me up, forget you. WHen you hit prison I will forget you but my friends wont, COME GET ME!!!!!!!!!!!
I am going to make a mockery of you,m when I am done with you, people will say that you have been FRANKED!!!!!
You are sad, what are you doing, you pathitic peice of animal fecies, and you let this be printed. You are not a worth advesary, you are a piece of crap and you are going to prison, anything less and I will not be happy. WHat the hell is wrong with you??????
Atty General of north caroline, get in here now, or you are gone too, I am climbing a lader, you are next, come get this scum sucking maggot out of my way.....
YOu dont like it come Marytr me, I F'in DARE YOU
You picked him, and I will fry him up, frank you are not even worth talking too, you are a joke.
I pray I have made you mad enough to abuse your power again. !!!
Try this:
http://www.ncdistrictattorney.org/garryfrank/contactus.htm
Interesting copy and paste from the New York Times by 12:10 p.m. Not sure the relevance, they forgot to copy in the published date of 1988 (20 years ago) and 1:28 p.m. sites a court case from 2002(6 years ago.) Is this being presented as historical info?
Tic Toc is grabbing for a story thats just not there. He needs to take his meds. He's a little upset about the charges and conviction brought against him a couple of years ago.
Frank, that sounds like a thinly disguised threat that you believe you'll win the battle of wits.
Let me offer you some sage advice.
I don't care what your level of intelligence is, there's ALWAYS someone more or less intelligent than you. I don't like the tone of that statement about the keyboard. The citizens want some honest answers from you and if you're coming into this with a chip on your shoulder, that tells me your mind is closed and you should just stay home and continue to write your email publication. If YOU are ready to civilly defend your position with an open mind and honest answers, we'll show up.
There is no more hiding in this town. It's over,kaput,finis.
Either our public officials conduct themselves with honesty and concern for those who put them in office or they will be removed by vote, termination or prosecution. You are a public servant for the good of the people, not a servant of your own desires and excesses.
Hey Crone....I know you are reading the comments on here. I understand you went to the Commissioner's house over the weekend. Let me use a quote from none other than you. "You don't work here anymore, and I don't have any obligation to you". Do you remember saying that to me, you SOB. This whole story has been nothing but sweet justice.....I mean SWEET. The only better news will be when the headlines read "Former Chief arrested"
No, it is being presented and legel precedent. By me, did I miss somthing , or have the laws from the past been reapled. Because that is what we are talking about here.
But please keep trying, just aim a little closer to the heart.
Give me a break, he is a scumbag! No innocent people? Cooper, I know you thought you had mopre time before I got to you, but YOU DONT!, Come get me, remove him, either way, I am sure you did not expect this shit. Neither did I< I expected your man to be able to abide by the law.. but.......
Lets do this, lets go to the supreme court, you and I, You let this happen, so my advice to you is get some lawyers, becasue you hired this piece of crap!
I still think you are a good man and will doi the right thing once you get your DA out of the fire, but guess what he aint coming out, I will see to it.
Tic Toc were at the march? I ask because I didn't see your pic in the paper.
Copper, you better decide to talk to me now, before I decimate your police departments and police fundraising across your state. my email is on this blog.
ANd to everyone else, esp. ,my ex. frineds, come get me, yout like the responce, I am leaving . but I am taking you with me. Talk to me in pubic
I did not write that.
Are you kidding me?
TIc Toc
I can see now that today we are taking the game up a notch, watch this,
Tic Toc
Mr. Cooper, I know you are a good man, but Frank is your boy and flat out says he does not care if you are innocent.
Mr. Cooper you better live up to this... I am on you, and not to worry, if Crone did not scare me, and your boy does not scare me, do you really think you do?
I am coming to give you the disney e ticket ride in the legal system, you and I are going to the Supreme court, dont sen a boy (frank) to do a mans job.
Live up to this or go down with the rest of these fools.
FOP, and IUPA, not hearing anything from you yet, I am back for another day of ripping you to shreads.
BUt today I start taking you apart.
Working Hard to Protect North Carolina’s Greatest Asset
. . .its people
Attorney General Roy Cooper is working every day to make North Carolina a safer place to live, work and raise a family. As the state's top law enforcement officer he is bringing violent criminals to justice with DNA evidence and better technology. As a national leader in fighting for consumers he busts scams that prey on unsuspecting people. Whether it's taking criminals and con artists to court or taking the battle for tougher laws to Raleigh and Washington, he is making life better, and safer, for the people of North Carolina.
As a national leader in fighting for consumers he busts scams that prey on unsuspecting people.
You are sure not showing this now are you Mr. Cooper. You have crooked cops all over your state and you are turning a blind eye.
Shall we play a game Mr. Cooper?
Or do you just want to come marytr me?
You will protect the constitution or you will be tossed into the heap with Crone, Rader, Smith, Thunberg, and Frank.
DOnt you relize I am doing your job for you, you WILL help me.
FOP and IUPA, I am going after your numbers today, want some of that published?? Percentages you get, the up front fee's and such, bet that is going to make you all look real good for fundraising dont you?
Are you all on the phone yet, yesterday I said call Frank, well forget frank, go to Cooper, I doubt very seriously he will not listen to such a large group of sworn law enforcement officers.
I swear to god, you are on the wrong side of this right now, get back on the right side or go down in flames.
You will help me prove my INNOCENSE and Crones GUILT or you will never see another dime ever again. YOu know I can do it too, just based on whatI have shown you I know, are you wondering yet, what else I know?? You should be and you should be on the phone.
Mr. Cooper if I have to go past you, I will, you better protect your boss like I am protecting the constitution.
Tic Toc
Hey 11:48, I really dont want to address you because you are still clueless,
Put my name out there, I DARE YOU, and if you think they are only going to add a "couple years to my little problem," you are dumber then I thought.
THey will add thousands of years to me if and when they get the shot, or they will more then likley just shoot me. Maybe you can pull the triger yourself?
God how did you even make it out of your mothers lap this morning?
THis is about the Constitution and they only way I will stop is if I am dead or the 14th is fixed.
However 11;48, how many of them do you think I will get locked up before they put my toe tag on?
I fight for the Constitution and the Bill of RIghts, you got a problem with that, if so, lets get the AMericans that live near you to help you pack your strawberry shortcake overnight bag and escort you out of OUR COUNTRY. You have cashed your chips in and have no right to call yourself and American. We are only keeping you becasue no one else on the planet wants you either.
I wont be talking to you anymore if I can help it, you are to silly, little girl.
Better watch your Lodge 10 over the next few days and ask them how they get their money, lets see what they think about the Constitution. I need an example and I already have it in your own backyard.
I'm stepping up to the plate son, lob lodge ten on over here.
To lodge 10, welcome to the game, have you made any phone calls to Cooper yet for me? Better start RIGHT NOW. ANd you better find a way to tell me or you will never raise another dime again. ANd before you get mad at me, you better look at where crone is going and think twice, you are the ones that are acting illegally here, I did not make you do it.
BTW, better make sure your fundraiser is legal. Opps to late. Better make sure your pitch is legal. opps to late. Cant go back in time guys. 14-100 applies. Or you can just make some phone calls for me. Whats it going to be boys?
TO the rest of you doubters in Law Enforcement, I keep telling you not to make me do this. You will give the people of mooresville back their govenment or you can turn in your badges along with Crone.
LEt me claify just one thing, they wont give me thousands and thousands of years becasue I hjave committed crimes, it will be becasue Iam going after them, so keep that in mind before anyone jumps on me about that comment
Tic Toc
Tic Toc sounds like you are at the wrong place. Sounds like you have alot of people to talk to and I hate to tell you they are not here reading this board. Maybe you should send e-mails directly to them or heck give them a call.
THere is a huge difference in "talking to" and Talking at" someone. Trust me, if they are smart they have already called cooper and if they are not here on this "PRESS BLOG" where the real info is coming out, then they should resign their positions now.
THey are here or they will be as soon as one Lodge Ten member reads this and calls the "boss" at lodge ten, then guess what, that lodge boss is on the phopne with national, I promise you my message is being heard.
I post here because this is public, its the press and it is available to me.
Well Well Well, the State FOP has finally given up on professional fundraisers, good for you, that was the right thing to do, to bad tho, that prior to that you violated NC GS 14-100 for years, and admitted it in this letter, and so did your professional fundraisers. BUt dont sit there and think you did something good when I know you did not stop useing pros to protect the public, you did it to get around THe Telemarketing Sales Act.
Sad thing is this is a good first step, but you know as well as I do what your current employees are saying on the phone and that means that not only are they guilty of violating 14-100, but holy crap your whole orginazition is liable.
You all better check the Statute of Limitations on fraud in North carolina, becsause guess what, there is not one, now what say you provide every single person that has ever raised money for you prior to the policy change that brought about this letter. ANd every one that has raised money since the police change, they are all going to PRISON.
Shall I continue NCFOP???
Plus you dont police your own individual lodges very well, they still raise money the old fasioned way.
Are you ready to call Mr. Cooper for me yet, are you ready to help me, I bet your getting close arent you???
Watch what I do and say next, care to guess who is going to jail as well???
Look at that signiture on that letter.
I will tell the public what that means in a minute, but I suspect you already know. Class H
Felonies, across the board.
And the crowd goes wild, Tic Toc hits a long fly ball, it is going, going gone. As are all of you.
Do you all like my game playing? You should have done something about crone when you had the chance.
Are you starting to see what is about to happen accross the state?]
How many of yours do you think are going to Prison?
You ready to help me yet?
You ready to get that law changed???
Hey crone, you laughing yet? I bet you are, cause you know now you are not going alone. You are about to have plenty of "brothers in arms" with in the big house.
But Crone, I really would like you to tell me what you were thinking about when you were doing this???
Donald B. Penix, cell next to crones is open but space is filing up quick. I want to know if you really thought that letter was going to help after you have broken 14-100 for years. That letter is a con to bring you in more money, and I bet you know that too.
Why do you all even try to do this??? How stupid can you colectivly be LOL
Dear Potential Supporter:
You may be visiting this page because you recently received a fundraising telephone call. You will be glad to know that only actual employees of the Fraternal Order of Police, North Carolina State Lodge, (NCFOP), are currently making these calls.
You may also have made a pledge and received your pledge kit by mail. A fundraising drive is currently being conducted to help support our programs and services. You should have received by mail, a donation package similar to the one below.
If you receive a form in the mail that does not appear like this one please contact us at: 1-866-317-7948.
Although the NCFOP has been conducting fundraising drives for a number of years, starting in June of 2005, we began, with the help of some consultants, to make those fundraising calls and mailings ourselves.
If you receive a telephone call asking for your support, made after this date, you will be glad to know it was made by an employee of our Association, not a professional fundraiser!
We are proud to be able to make this effort ourselves, ensuring interaction with the public at the highest level of professionalism. It also allows you to be confident that you are making a donation directly to the Association, where your support can make the most difference for our programs and members.
If there was a problem with the experience, or you feel some additional action can be taken, please call toll-free 1-866-317-7948, for immediate assistance. Please be sure to state your name, address, the telephone number at which you were called, date and approximate time of call.
Again, thank you for your support.
Sincerely,
Donald B. Penix,
President
How many more fish do you want me to shoot in this perticular barrel??
Although the NCFOP has been conducting fundraising drives for a number of years, starting in June of 2005, we began, with the help of some consultants, to make those fundraising calls and mailings ourselves.
BTW, NCFOP, do you think I dont know what you did and look how your criminal ass worded this, "we began, with the help of some consultants"
I swear to god, you just lead the public by the nose dont you, there is virtually no difference in professional fundraiser and fundraising consultants.
Professional Fundraising Consultant - a professional fundraising consultant is anyone other than an officer or regular employee of a charitable organization who is retained by a charitable organization to plan, manage, advise, consult, or prepare material for a solicitation of charitable contributions in Colorado, but who does not directly solicit or employ anyone to solicit such contributions. Keep in mind that anyone who mails fundraising literature is considered to be a paid solicitor by definition, unless that person's sole responsibility is the printing and mailing of such literature. This exemption is intended to cover people in the printing industry. A lawyer, investment counselor, or banker who advises a person to make a charitable contribution is not considered to be a professional fundraising consultant. A professional fundraising consultant only needs to register if he or she at any time has custody or control of contributions from a solicitation campaign. For a full definition see Revised Colorado Charitable Solicitations Act Title 6, Article 16.
PAID SOLICITOR
Paid Solicitor - a paid solicitor is any person who is paid to perform any service in which contributions will be solicited in Colorado, or who employs or contracts with any other paid person to solicit, directly or indirectly, for contributions. There are a few exemptions from this definition, including people in the printing business, bona fide volunteers, officers or employees of certain types of tax-exempt organizations as defined by the Internal Revenue Service (specifically those identified at 26 U.S.C. sec. 501 (c)(3), (c)(4), (c)(8), (c)(10), or (c)(19)), and lawyers, investment counselors, or bankers who advise a person to make a charitable contribution. For a full definition, see Revised Colorado Charitable Solicitations Act Title 6, Article 16.
THe only difference is one comits the fraud for you and the other just tells you how to do it yourself LOL
You people are unreal./
You ready to help me yet???
By a show of hands (post a one word yes or no)
Have many people what me to stop my attack?
Tic Toc
no
yes. tictoc please start your own blog. you are distracting from this one.
Tic Toc is on a personal mission. He's just upset because he has been disbarred. Good luck in your battle but please spare this board from your ramblings.
Tic Toc- Call a news conference and spill the beans.They aren't paying attention to any of us.
I think we need to get back on topic here. THere are many people who have tried to use negative attacks to discredit this blog as a place where people can come and express their opinion about matters that are important to our community. I appreciate anyone's input, including Tic Tocs, but let's keep it relevant. Tic Toc, you're on our side buddy but you really are taking away from Ms. Gattn's work.
11:48, HAHA you think I am a lawyer?
I bet they all wish I was a lawyer or a cop then maybe I would have to follow a code of ethics. I only have to follow MY code of ethics. WHich is people dont steal from each other in the name of the police or fire department.
But thanks for the compliment, I would have had to go to law school to be a lawyer, and I would have to have passed or even taken the bar in order to be "disbarred" LOL BUt that was a good one, you made me smile :-)
I just know a lot of FUN FACTS LOL
and I tell lawyer jokes LOL (no offence to you guys)
But I am not joking about shutting down that industry once and for all. All of it. I may think about where I do it from becasue I just dont have that my niceness in me for people for which the topic of this thread about. THey got all of going to give them already, becasue they still turned a blind eye while this went on right under their noses and did nothing.
Besides I think I have made my point for now anyway, plus next friday is still coming.
This came from another thread and I thought it bares repeating
Tic Toc
I have observed with great interest the evolution of the Gatton Report. It is becoming quite clear to this observer that this community is undergoing yet another metamorphosis – one which may prove to be quite painful. It appears there is a groundswell of dissent, as the number of citizens who are no longer in alignment with the status quo grows. This in turn will cause great fear and anger in those who are still in alignment with that status quo. It brings to mind the portentous words of Robert F. Kennedy in a speech he delivered in Capetown, South Africa on June 6, 1966 - “Moral courage is an even more rare commodity than bravery in battle or great intelligence. Yet it is the one essential, vital quality of those who seek to change a world which yields most painfully to change.”
Night Owl
"Our safety, our liberty depends on preserving the Constitution of the United States as our fathers made it inviolate. The people of the US are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts - Not to overthrow the Constitution, but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution"
-- Abraham Lincoln
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"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."
-- Winston Churchill
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Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.
-William Pitt (1783)
"A constitution is not the act of a government, but of a people constituting a government; and government without a constitution is power without a right. All power exercised over a nation, must have some beginning. It must be either delegated, or assumed. There are not other sources. all delegated power is trust, and all assumed power is usurpation. Time does not alter the nature and quality of either."
--Thomas Paine
"I consider the foundation of the Constitution as laid on this ground:
That 'all powers not delegated to the United States, by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States or to the people' (10th Amendment). To take a single step beyond the boundaries thus specifically drawn around the powers of Congress, is to take possession of a boundless field of power, no longer susceptible to any definition."
Thomas Jefferson in a letter to George Washington,15 February, 1791
"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
--Daniel Webster
I guess no one is here and no one cares.
That little gut check just told me volumes.
No one is listening
Would you listen if I told you I was asking for info and providing a reward for that information out of my own pocket from between 500 and 10,000 dollars? Would that open your ears and eyes? You can submit anon though an 800 number and email. No one would ever know you gave it.
Tic Toc
Tic Toc
Good Luck everyone, I cant say I did not try,m but I will try again,I guess morresville is not the place.
NCCOPS -North Carolina Conference of Police and Sheriffs - David Spagnola, they dont want to hear about yuo, but I am going to say this, I still want you to do the right things and call Cooper and before you degard the idea, here is just a snippet of what I have for you.
POLICE UNIONS (IUPA)
NC Policeman Charged with Embezzlement
A police officer featured in local news media for his role in finding a kidnapped infant has been charged with embezzling close to $10,000 from his union from Jan. 2001 to May of this year.
Jason E. Padgett has been technical director of the N. Carolina Coalition of Police (NCCops) for three years. NCCops was established by the Intl. Union of Police Assns. (IUPA), AFL-CIO in 1998, as a representative for police officers desiring such representation, although collective bargaining between governments and unions is illegal in NC.
In his position, Padgett is responsible for the group's web site, newsletter and bank accounts. David Spagnola, NCCops Exec. Dir., said that an initial review of the group's banking statements prompted suspicions, which were relayed to the Bd. of Directors, composed of several local police organization presidents. After a subsequent audit, the information was handed over the law enforcement, and the charges were filed earlier this month. [Greensboro News & Record 10/12/02]
Mr. Spagnola? What are you thinking putting this in writing?? I am going to give you a break for now on that, but are you picking up the phone to call Cooper?
I swear you do not want me to continue, your group does some very good work and I would like to think you all are above board, however, it is not looking that way.
Mr. Spagnola, call Cooper or your group will have a very tough time raising funds again, ever. You are using phone pros right now, don’t forget I already know what they are saying and they, I promise you, are committing fraud under NC GS 14-100.
I want and need crone arrested on 1 count of a violation of NC GS 14-100, I need your help, or I can put you your fundraisers in prison, it is your choice right now, but I promise you it will not be if crone is still walking the street on Friday afternoon.
1 man, 1 charge, that is all I want and you get to keep coning the public. How is that for a deal.
Think I am kidding? Try me? Your group will be easier then the FOP, better call national on my behalf as well, tell them I said there ad book sucks, you know the one, its called the LAW OFFICER. Make your check out to the law officer. Now tell me what the use of that name implies?? Now maybe I will describe the boiler rooms your fundraisers use, including the payments made to many in drugs as their pay checks.
Sure you want to keep playing the game with me Mr. Spagnola? Pick up the phone, pick it up today, or I start lining up ALL your fundraisers in prison cells along side the FOP’s and COPS 4 Kids, which you guessed it, it’s a bunch of cops. Are you seeing a pattern here yet?
BTW, you know this email of yours is a lie and also proof you employee phone pros, and to me there is no way you don’t know what they say, because if they tell the truth, you get nothing. You are trying to keep one foot in the water with enough distance for the group to claim you did not know what was going on. Which judging by your organization being ripped off by this guy before
Mr. Spagnola? What are you thinking putting this in writing?? I am going to give you a break for now on that, but are you picking up the phone to call Cooper?
I swear you do not want me to continue, your group does some very good work and I would like to think you all are above board, however, it is not looking that way.
Mr. Spagnola, call Cooper or your group will have a very tough time raising funds again, ever. You are using phone pros right now, don’t forget I already know what they are saying and they, I promise you, are committing fraud under NC GS 14-100.
I want and need crone arrested on 1 count of a violation of NC GS 14-100, I need your help, or I can put you in prison, it is your choice right now, but I promise you it will not be if crone is still walking the street on Friday afternoon.
1 man, 1 charge, that is all I want and you get to keep coning the public. How is that for a deal.
Think I am kidding? Try me? Your group will be easier then the FOP, better call national on my behalf as well, tell them I said there ad book sucks, you know the one, its called the LAW OFFICER. Make your check out to the law officer. Now tell me what the use of that name implies?? Now maybe I will describe the boiler rooms your fundraisers use, including the payments made to many in drugs as their pay checks.
Sure you want to keep playing the game with me Mr. Spagnola? Pick up the phone, pick it up today, or I start lining up ALL your fundraisers in prison cells along side the FOP’s and COPS 4 Kids, which you guessed it, it’s a bunch of cops. Are you seeing a pattern here yet?
BTW, you know thies email of yours is a lie and also proof you employee phone pros, and to me there is no way you don’t know what they say, because if they tell the truth, you get nothing. You are trying to keep one foot in the water with enough distance for the group to claim you did not know what was going on. Which judging by your organization being ripped of
Mr. Spagnola’s email is below
Email the president of the organization to complain about the number of calls. "David Spagnola(onguard3@mindspring.com]"
I got the following reply ....
WE relayed the email to our fund raising company and they have purged
your number from the data base.
A computer dials the number and the computer tells us that the calls
were not answered.
It takes few seconds for the computer to detect your answer before a
person picks up and you may have hung up by then.
Regardless, it's not a perfect system and if the computer doesn't feel
the call was answered, it goes into a recall mode and calls you again
and again until it's answered.
You number has been purged. Thanks for letting us know about the
problem.
Good Luck man cause just cause I amy not come after you does not mean that someone else is not. You gonna need it.
Dont worry if the board asks I will post more but it appears I am taking to no one.
I'm taking this fight private for now so you can discuss other things, i'm moving past mooresville, and i am dealing with this in email only. So you want to talk to me, tictoc@boardermail.com
is he gone yet...love the quotes and history, tired of the rants and implications of act now or die...
From what I can see, nobody in this town can manage money. In the government we had the police chief stealing from a charity and the town spending an absurd amount of money on cable TV. On the school's side of things is what I view as even more insane. Buying $1100 doorstops (they are not worthy of being called laptops) for all of the thousands of students from the 12th to the 4th grade. How many of those pathetic devices (Macs) will survive the first year? When did textbooks ever let us down? How much porn are the older students going to be able to fit on the hard drive? Personally I hate Macs but I feel bad for them because of how they are going to be abused. The schools claim they will boost grades. I claim they will encourage social interaction on Myspace.
While I agree in part with the previous post regarding spending, I disagree with the technology initiatve. I voiced the same concerns to Dr. Edwards when the initiative was announced, and then did some research. Here's what I found:
1. The laptops are primarily funded through a grant which was given specifically for this purpose.
2. Technology as a whole is an area in which the state expects students to excel.
3. Schools can purchase more textbooks and media electronically than they can in print.
4. The district has filters in place, but there are loopholes in everything.
5. I, too, am a Windows person, but have witnessed that Macs have fewer program issues, hardware issues, and security issues. These reasons alone make it more practical to offer Macs (which will have all the Windows programs).
Dr. Edwards also indicates that Macs represent over 60% of the laptops on college campuses and that macs have been used longer in the k-12 setting than windows based systems.
I would encourage everyone to go sit in on a "training" session being held at our area schools, and to contact Dr. Edwards if you have questions/concerns.
Larry, what's the latest with Commissioner Rader's "willingness" to sit down and answer questions about why he went to the MPD to "speak" to officers on behalf of former police chief John Crone in the midst of ongoing criminal investigations?
Mr. Rader indicates he is willing to do a "forum" for the general public, but will not answer me directly when I ask him if he's going to answer those particular questions. His response was:
Thanks, Larry
It is an open forum, one I'll probably do monthly, so questions to and from me and discussions are expected to be engaged. There are limits about personnel, closed session material and civility. That means you'll get some questions, probably, too.
Let me know.
When I followed up asking him to clarify whether or not he would answer the questions, I got this response:
Thanks
I will not do much on this over the weekend -- try to take a break from ToM stuff unless I'm pushing out a Rader at Large.
If it is illegal for me to answer, I will not answer. I can ask Steve Gambill there to "rule", so it is not me ruling. Without Steve I am usually conservative on where I draw that line, but I'm comfortable drawing it.
The purpose is an exchange. It will not be one way.
What you can be thinking about is which venue is preferred. Once that is decided, I can ask ToM to book it. If you have no opinion, I'll decide.
Another question is starting time. 6, 6:30, 7? I have a corporate quarterly board meetings out of country that day that sometimes run until about 5 pm so 6 is as early as I can go and assumes I eat and drive to get there. Also, because I am in those meetings all day, except for breaks, I will probably not be available until I walk into the venue. I should have the agenda mid week, next.
I'm trying to come up with a clever name and may through it to the Rader at Large list. Forum is not the fit, based on it's definitions. Discussion is probably the best word in common use; discourse is more apt
Short version of the long story is -- he's supposed to be consulting with Mr. Gambill to see if he's allowed to legally answer the questions. I've not heard back from him or Mr. Gambill on the issue.
Mr. Rader suggested the 21st or the 27th, and I replied that the 27th would be better.
I'm not on the Rader-At-Large list any longer, so maybe someone on that list can tell us if Rader put anything in it regarding his "forum."
What a slippery Sake!!! I wonder if he asked Steve Gambill before he trucked over to the police department.
Rabid Republican
Rader is presuming that he is in a position to set "limits" about "civility". Just how "civil" is it to outright lie to your constituency? Is it "civil" to strut into a police department and try to extort letters of support for a corrupt police chief using one's position as a commissioner? How "civil" is it to refuse to answer questions directed at you from the public? Rader says "I'm trying to come up with a clever name". I nominate Rabid Republican's name for Rader - "Slippery Snake". This particular Slippery Snake is history. He is just too arrogant and infected with a sense of entitlement to know it yet.
Larry, the person who posted the comment about the laptops was me. You don't seem to understand how inferior Macs are to windows based machines. They are slower, lock up more frequently, and are not designed for work. They are designed for artists and musicians. Sure the schools got a grant but the money would have been better spent on windows laptops that are cheaper then the $1100 doorstops.
You have no idea how kids are on computers at school sadly. I have every expectation that grades will plummet and the town will hopefully see the error and get rid of the laptops. We live in a world that runs on Windows so get them actual computers, not the junkheaps that are Macs.
You can bet your bottom dollar Rader didn't ask Gambill if he could go chatting up police officers. problem for Rader is that he should have gone to Gambill first & didn't. He can't go & undo what he's done. No town lawyer can either. Tough breaks. Rader showed us all his behind & there's no going back & wishing we'd just go & forget all about his true nature.
Since you know...What is your name Bill Gates????
Oh, hey Frank ... Yes, I know you are a PC fan (Lord do I know that), but when the grants are given for a specific purpose to fulfill a certain goal -- then there's no way to use the funds to purchase PCs if the grant calls for Macs. And yes, you know that I know VERY well what students can do on the internet, but I also know that the district has hired additional tech staff who are well versed in a variety of areas and will provide a more secure system than what you had when you were there. We can talk about this on a Friday night or on a Sunday morning. You are entitled to your opinion and others are entitled to theirs -- and that doesn't mean we can't still be friends.
Anonymous said...
"Since you know...What is your name Bill Gates????"
No actually I have come to hate Mr. Gates for not getting the rights to have Metal Gear Solid 4 as a game for the Xbox 360. I am a former student at Mooresville Senior high School (graduated on June 7th, 08) who has had to deal with the laptops and I am quite into technology. I also marched against John Crone. I was one of the three people at the front when we marched to Town Hall. Anyway this about the laptops is moving to a new topic. This one was more about Crone. Also Larry, We'll always be friends.
Hey Larry, you mention that the laptops were funded "Primarily through grants." I'll let you in on a little secret. Grant money is not "free" money. It is still taxpayer money. Whether it comes from a Mooresville resident in his school tax or a Nebraska farmer through a federal grant, it is still money taken by the government from an individual and given to the MGSD to buy laptops for the kids.
pertaining to the paraphrased, or perhaps quoted discourse...your word, how rarified too....
Frank, there is nothing illegal about you responding to your actions.
...anything else is you may say is BS...or protection from self incrimination, and if that is the case, good for you, but sure does support a call to action to remove you from office now doesn't it?
Mr Rader, please resign....you are becoming an embarresement...oh and Frank, I worked my way through college in VA, after wearing a Green Beret for several years. Yes, my name is in Pat's book....is yours?
If I recall correctly, the Mooresville Tribune reported that the town said the inventory of the evidence room was going to be completed either last Friday, or two Fridays ago. Does anybody remember? BTW I agree with previous poster. Commissioner Rader needs to resign for attempting to "plead the 5th", and the Police Chief's supervisor needs to resign for lack of oversight which ultimately led to a situation that has apparently been going on for ten years.
It's been going on 2 months now since this story broke and still we got nothing from the town? Looks like a repeat of the so-called investigation on the golf course couple years back.
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