Free speech is completely different than speech under duress.
Unfortunately, we’re left wondering which was exercised when six officers and one dispatcher wrote letters to elected officials on Saturday and Sunday in support of Chief John Crone, who is suspended with pay pending the results of investigations into the way he handled the police department’s Cops for Kids program.
Mooresville Police Capt. Frank Falzone, along with five of his squad members and one dispatcher on his same shift, wrote the letters to commissioners over the weekend. It appears the officers, on town time and using town resources, quite possibly wrote the letters at the suggestion of their immediate supervisor, Falzone.
“We are concerned that our lack of or inability to publicly voice our opinions, for fear that we may cause additional controversy and complicate your efforts, may be misconstrued as a lack of support for Chief Crone,” Falzone wrote in his e-mail on Saturday. “We have concluded that notifying you by email is the best alternative in accomplishing our goal, without further obscuring the issue at hand.”
Continued Falzone: “I would like to reaffirm and emphasize my support for Chief Crone, and unless proven otherwise, firmly believe in his leadership, skills, and abilities.”
Falzone’s letter was the first of seven – out of 59 total police personnel – to be sent to town commissioners. By the next evening, five of Falzone’s squad members and the dispatcher had also submitted letters to town board members.
“Chief Crone has tried to show his love of children by his work with the children/teenagers in the community,” said the dispatcher. “I feel that he is unfairly being accused of things that people do not have the whole picture or information about.”
The dispatcher is the only police department employee who mentioned the facts surrounding Crone’s suspension. “As for the money situation,” the dispatcher said, “I am sure that even if receipts are not located for each and every dime, that he spent the money for something to do with the children he was working with.”
A police officer who said he has worked with Crone since Crone was hired as chief in December 1998 urged commissioners to “support Chief Crone during these trying times for our department and our town.” He said that Crone “has always treated me with respect and dignity” and that “I have always tried to give him that same courtesy.”
Another officer who said he has worked with Crone for more than seven years told elected officials: “I’ve never known (Crone) to be dishonest about anything going on at the department. I’ve always been treated with fairness, respect and honesty … all traits he demands from his officers.
“In summary,” the e-mail read, “I support Chief Crone as he goes through this difficult time.”
Another officer stated that he was also writing to express support for Crone. “Unless shown otherwise,” he stated in his e-mail to commissioners, “I will continue to support Chief Crone during this difficult time, and only hope that this matter will be resolved as soon as possible.”
In a memo-style letter with the subject titled “Letter of Support,” one officer stated that “Chief Crone is an extraordinarily hard worker, a responsible person, and he is an asset to the Police Department, Community and the Town of Mooresville as well.”
The final officer to write commissioners on Sunday said that he has worked with Crone “for many years.”
“This e-mail is not to say that I think the Chief is perfect,” he stated, “but I can honestly say that I am a better officer because of the years I have worked under Chief Crone's command.”
“I hope that you haven't misunderstood the silence from officers to mean that we do not support the chief,” stated the officer. “The vast majority of officers do support him. The turn over rate of officers at the police department is more that just numbers and with each officer leaving, there is a reason.
“Again, I fully support the Chief and hope that this will soon be over and we can get Chief Crone back to work where he should be.”
He ended his letter by thanking the commissioners for their time and “for allowing me to work for the Town of Mooresville Police Department, which I thoroughly enjoy, and for your support for the police department.”
Since each of the officers – with the exception of the dispatcher – work under Falzone, it is impossible to know which ones voluntarily wrote letters in support of Crone and which ones did so because they felt their boss had suggested that they do it.
What is clear is that at least one member of that squad who was on duty this past weekend did not write a letter to commissioners – along with more than 50 other people employed by the police department.
Did Falzone order his squad members to write the letters in support of Crone? Did he suggest it? Did he consider, when making such a suggestion, that his squad members may take his suggestion to be, in fact, an order? Did he consider that some officers might not want to write such letters and by not participating could therefore eventually become targeted for ill treatment by other officers, higher ranking officials or Crone himself should he return? Did Falzone write his letter with intentions of swaying the opinions of elected officials, who must wait until the investigations’ results before casting judgment?
Unfortunately, we don’t have answers to those questions. Falzone couldn’t be reached for comment yesterday.
What we do know is that the officers violated town policy by writing the letters because they wrote them using town resources and while on duty. All the letters were sent from the employees’ town e-mail accounts. The police department’s personnel policy states that “members shall not engage in political activity on duty, or when acting in an official capacity, or when in uniform, except to vote.”
The policy also states: “Members shall not interfere with cases being handled by … other government agencies unless: A.) Ordered to intervene by a supervisor; or B.) The intervening member believes, beyond a reasonable doubt, that injustice would result from failure to take action; or C.) Such intervention is required as a result of supervisory or command responsibilities.”
Maj. Carl Robbins, who is serving as interim chief of police in Crone’s absence, said today that the police department’s personnel policy “does address these type activities. I will gather the facts and then handle it as a personnel matter,” he said.
But really, a violation of the personnel policy should be the least of our worries. I am a staunch supporter of every person’s right to free speech, and I am elated when I see people embrace and exercise that Constitutional right, even if I disagree with what they say. Am I disappointed that the police department employees violated the personnel policy? Absolutely. But there’s a mitigating factor here: Their boss introduced to them the idea of writing the letters. What effect did that have on the officers? How voluntary were the letters really? Was it proper for a commanding officer to put his subordinates in a position where they might have felt uncomfortable not participating?
The fundamental issue here lies within the question of whether those particular officers practiced free speech … or if their speech was less free than some officers hoped it would appear to be.
And how about the officers who couldn’t in clear conscience write a letter of support, whether they don’t support Crone or they simply didn’t want to violate the personnel policy? What will this mean for them? Will they be punished for not participating?
The mere presence of these questions is reason enough why no one in the police department should have suggested officers write letters in support of the suspended chief.
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Did anyone else notice in today's Tribune how the town selected Ken Andrews to conduct the internal investigation?
"Gambill said Andrews was recommended by a long-time friend who is also a retired FBI agent."
What kind of way is that to pick an investigator? Enough already with the good ol' boy network!
This stuff about everybody under Falzone all of a sudden writing letters stinks to high heaven. Good Lord. If it was not for the Gatton Report, we would have all thought Crone has all this "support"! Was Falzone by any chance on any of those expensive trips the chief took his family and friends on - using COPS FOR KIDS charity dollars? And who put Falzone up to this? Sorry but I just can't see a captain going out on a limb on his own without feeling like he had some "backing" and reassurance that this was the "right move" for him and his squad. Call me jaded.
Jaime, this stuff is not worthy of one of your columns and it demeans you. It's trivial muck. Get back up to 30,000 feet and give us the big picture.
I just CAN'T believe it!! From the excerpts of the emails, it seems as though one person wrote all the emails and had the few people scared for their jobs sign their name to it. This whole thing is just getting so ridiculous. Fire Crone already and get it over it with for God's sake! GEEZZ!!!
I would like to know what the commisoners have to say about this. Thngs are too quiet.
Whats next, an article telling us that one of the town employees went 3 minutes over on their lunch break?
hmmm lets see, 7 people wrote letters and 7 officers when on the trips and took there spouses. I wonder if there is a connection????
Dear 11:29.....its called third grade english, please embrace it and learn to use it.
those who say this is no big deal are wrong. these are police officers on town time attempting to influence an ongoing investigation of their boss.
i'm not paying taxes so cops can be told to do all they can to keep their crooked chief in a job.
this stinks.
Thanks 11:35, please make the corrections in red and get back to me
My 2nd grade teacher will be happy I learned something today besides how to rob needy kids. :-)
So, when will one of the seven cops who sent letters post anonymously on here that they were forced to write the letters? Wouldn't that be fantastic??!!
An "idiot"? What is the relevancy of that comment. Again, folks who don't want to accept reality call people names or throw out red herrings. I think a first grader can understand this: it is not proper for a captain at the police department to have his subordinates to send emails of support for their chief when the chief is under suspension and under active criminal and civil investigation. This conduct is not trivial but simply an illustration of the overall environment that the citizens are dealing with. It's unfortunate that the captain or officers felt this was something appropriate for them to do and it would lead someone to believe that the instructions came from someone who was perceived by the captain to have authority. The article clearly points out the internal policy violations. To his credit, the interim chief indicated that he will take care of this personnel matter and surely there will be discipline but no one will lose his job over it. Thankfully, due to Ms. Gatton's hard work and her numerous reliable sources, we are able to know about this instead of it remaining hidden. All here should be very thankful about the current transparency in our government and the fact that someone is willing to get this information to the public in such a timely and responsible manner.
to 12:10pm....Can I get an AMEN?!!!
So let me get all this straight, its okay for all of Jaime Gattons worshippers to get on here and call the town board names and the police cheif names but it isnt okay for someone to show support? Do you know for an absolute fact that Falzone forced them to sign the support letter? Of course you dont, but you are just like all the other "idiots" on this blog who dont care about facts and whole truths. All you care about is your personal grudge that you want taken care of.
1:17pm...Falzone is that you??? Maybe your time would be better spent looking for a new job instead of posting hundreds of comments on this blog. After all, since this has now become a personnel matter, maybe you'll be getting your walking papers as well.
Hey 1:17, you must be the same as 11:50 calling people idiots.
You dont really believe you are "anonymous" do you?
In three minutes, I could have your IP address, in 5 minutes I could have photos of you and of what ever building or house you are in, in 10 minutes, I can have your name and address, in 30 minutes I could have your credit records and criminal records and in one hour your DMV, property deeds, divorce tax and medical records including your most recent stool and urine sample results and DNA tests. And in 2 weeks, your birth certificate. Then I will come back here and tell you I'm sorry and to quit using my name "anonymous.
The age of computers, you got to love it. But please call me an idiot again.
But do you know why I dont do that 1:17. ITS ILLEGAL!!! and unlike your chief, prison, scares me.
Lets get back to the problem at hand, shall we.
Contribute or go away, you would not want people to know you are at the PD or Town Hall do you.
1:54 - Man, you are awesome. You are a true internet badass. How about this. You get my IP Address, come on over to where I am and lets see how you do when your not sitting behind your computer screen in your moms basement.
Little tip for you child, never piss off a real criminal with a degree in computer science.
If you knew who I am you would be crying in your mothers lap right now and closing your bank accounts.
Moving on.
In your first post you say "prison scares me" and then in your second post you claim to be a "real criminal". Which is it there tough guy? Dont let your bulldog mouth get that chihuahua ass of yours into trouble.
I'm scared all right. I'm scared you people are out walking around amongst us and that you vote.
That scares the hell out of me.
I did not say I was a criminal, I said, dont piss off a real criminal. My god, go to class, the grown ups are talking.
Jamie,
Could you get the names of the officers that sent the emails, since they sent them on town time and on town computers?
The fact remains that a supervising officer and other officers of the MPD BROKE a TOWN POLICY.
This is not the Gatton report "telling" on people b/c they went 3 minutes over on a lunch break. This is the Gatton report unconvering the misuse and abuse of powers some of the MPD staff. Nothing more nothing less.
If these people support the disgraced Crone, then call him at home and tell him. Call the town board at home and tell them. DO NOT BREAK POLICY.
I know others that have alledgely broken MPD policy. Their fate: unemployed.
3:06 - So you have never, not even once, broken a policy at your place of employment? I mean come on now it was a letter for crying out loud. Does Jaime know for 100%fact that anyone was forced to sign it or that it wasnt written during a break? Of course she doesnt, she is just trying to stir the mess up. If Crone is proven guilty then he should be punished and I have no issues with Jaime for breaking that story but this crap about Falzone and a letter is a little silly.
The article says:
“We are concerned that our lack of or inability to publicly voice our opinions, for fear that we may cause additional controversy and complicate your efforts, may be misconstrued as a lack of support for Chief Crone,” Falzone wrote in his e-mail on Saturday. “We have concluded that notifying you by email is the best alternative in accomplishing our goal, without further obscuring the issue at hand.”
Why would the e-mail say "we" if there had not been some sort of discussion about sending the e-mails? Why send it to board members, because they have no ability to hire/fire Crone? And hadn't the Major already directed officers not to speak on the matter publicly? If so, then how could anyone assume that an e-mail sent to a public official would not be public?
"you are" "am not" "are" "not"
"you another" "aint" "am" "not" "are so" "not"
Jaime, you got a time out corner for these Mensa members?
3:18
Town policy was broken. Does not matter if was forced or not. This little letter as you call it once again shows how some officers at MPD feel they are above the law.
This is not silly. This is the type of leadership that leads to scandal that disgraced Crone finds himself in as we speak.
Times have to change, the silly things, as you call them, have to change as well. These things grow and fester and then become a Crone.
It sounds as if Robbins is going to handle this problem of his officers and their superior breaking policy in an appropriate manner.
Again i say, I know of others that have alledgely broken policy and have been fired.
Jamie, I do hope you can and will publish the names of the officers that sent the emails.
So, Eric, by your logic if a town employee clocks in 1 minute late, they should be punished for breaking a town policy?
I dont know how I got caught up in that, I am sorry, I accept the revocation of my mensa card. Going to corner now for 15 minutes but I wont wear the cap :-)
I don't see anywhere that the personnel policies address tardiness other than for habitual tardies. It then prescribes a series of actions required to be taken in order to remedy the deficiencies.
The Major told the troops on Friday to not engage the public, but the Captain chose to do otherwise. I believe the policy manual refers to that as insubordination, and prescribes the remedies to those activities.
It has been done before. What is fair for one should be fair for all.
eric
no laws broken, just appears some of the employees didn't think about the policy when writing in support for crone, whether on break time or not, whether felt "pressured or not". lets not make a mountain of this, I agree with previous post, Maj. Robbins seems straight and will take whatever action is appropriate. due to the high turnover rate anyway, lets not call for firings or forced resignations.
missing the point. never said laws were broken, only policy, not calling for firings on this matter. i am glad you support the MPD, i too support the MPD grunt staff, the officers, the true foot soldiers.
A GAG order was given Friday, the letters were written Sunday. Go figure.
The officers who didn't want to write letters don't consider this trivial muck.
eric-truth be known,there are very few grunt officers in the MPD. There is more rank there than in the military! They just did this "fluid promotion" where a select few were promoted without going to a board like normal. They just woke up one day and had a nice little pay raise. Our little worthless High School officer got a 10% raise to sit on his butt, also, there is a traffic officer that does "NOTHING" but also got a raise. (But she used to sit in the chiefs office all day everyday, why?) There is Capt.Blocker that does NOTHING, just what are we paying him to do? When he talks he has NO idea what he is talking about. He recently spoke to a group and told the people in attendence(who were having problems with other peoples children)that they could put these other children in their personal cars and drive them home. DUH What was he thinking? You don't put children in your car without parents permission! What a dummy.(of course he did throw away evidence in the Witherspoon investigation.(maybe thats why the chief took him out of investigations? He kept making him look bad) And finally we have Falzone that is writing letters on the chiefs behalf to the town board, give me a break! (did the chief tell him to or is he really blinded by the chief. I am hoping that Maj.Robbins will be firm in dealing with these people. (I hope he has the back-bone to do it) The public trust is in the toilet and flushing fast.
“members shall not engage in political activity on duty, or when acting in an official capacity, or when in uniform, except to vote.”
Did i miss something was Crone elected?
“Members shall not interfere with cases being handled by … other government agencies unless: A.) Ordered to intervene by a supervisor; or B.) The intervening member believes, beyond a reasonable doubt, that injustice would result from failure to take action; or C.) Such intervention is required as a result of supervisory or command responsibilities.”
Is the Board of Commissioners handling the investigation?
There seems to be a lot of assumptions in this article. Facts are facts, assumptions are just words.
Jamie - if the stories are slowing down i have a question. Why am i paying for all MGSD students to have laptops when they are still being taught out of trailers? The new superintendent sure likes to spend money.
This is a continuation of the "Count Up Vigil" of the number of days which pass from the day Cops For Kids scandal broke (7/4/08) to the day that Police Chief Crone and Interim Town Manager Erskine Smith are both suspended, terminated or resign.
The Police Chief was suspended (with pay) on Tuesday, 7/8/08. The community clearly continues to be relieved and deeply grateful to whatever forces brought that timely suspension about. However, serious questions are now mounting with regard to Mr. Smith's decision to continue paying Mr. Crone a salary.
Interim Town Manager Erskine Smith, Mr. Crone’s supervisor, remains in his position and continues to operate still. Therefore I shall continue this Vigil until he, too, vacates any post he holds as a public official in Mooresville due to his role in this matter as well as other matters that have been brought to light.
The town board has placed Finance Director Maia Setzer in charge of oversight of the CFK process (including but not limited to any investigations) which indicates that they, too, lack confidence and trust in the Interim Town Manager. Despite this lack of confidence, Mr. Smith remains in his position, a position to which the Finance Director reports.
The information I specifically refer to is:
1) documented misrepresentations made by Mr. Smith with regard to the nonprofit corporation known as Cops For Kids
2) Mr. Smith's direct recommendation to the town board to include the nonprofit corporation known as Cops For Kids into the town's general budget
3) Mr. Smith's failure to perform due diligence in his capacity as Interim Town Manager by properly researching Cops For Kids prior to submitting his recommendation to the town board
4) Mr. Smith's involvement in a questionable commission in the amount of $237,151.50 as outlined in the Gatton Report blog entry dated 4/18/08 and titled “Friends don’t let friends gouge Mooresville taxpayers”, the contents of which have never been publicly disputed by Mr. Smith
5) Mr. Smith’s failure or refusal to change Mr. Crone’s status to “unpaid” suspension despite the surfacing of various contradictory statements made by Mr. Crone in the media since his suspension
This is Day No. 12.
WOW - I bet this really cool countdown you have put together is really showing them. Keep on keepin on brother.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that somebody high up winked and nodded at Falzone to "suggest" to his subordinates that they need to write "letters of support" for Crone. So who would this person or persons be? It's kind of a short list. Who's over Falzone? Carl Robbins and Kendall Hillard. Who's over them? Erskine Smith. Who's over him? The mayor and town commissioners. We already know Crone's got the backing of Smith, the mayor, and commissioners Rader and Abraham. So, we just gotta figure out who winked and nodded at Falzone and we'll know who is part of the Cops For Kids conspiracy, because this is starting to smell an awful lot like a conspiracy. The FBI needs to be called into the situation and pronto.
"And how about the officers who couldn’t in clear conscience write a letter of support, whether they don’t support Crone or they simply didn’t want to violate the personnel policy? What will this mean for them? Will they be punished for not participating?"
Jamie, you're a stone in "their" (the dwindling crooks) shoe, and I love to hear them moan and groan as they limp out the door. It is music to my ears. Keep on keepin on girlfriend.
Billy, Crone is a public government official, and writing to political representatives (the town council) is engaging in political activity. The town council has called in the SBI. The District Attorney is involved. So yes other agencies are involved. If assumptions are being made, why is Carl Robbins acting on Ms. Gatton's questions about the policy? Why would you insult Ms. Gatton then turn around and ask her to look into what you want her to look into? Typical.
I can tell you firsthand that Frank Rader was doing a jig with happiness when he received these bogus letters. Of course that was before the Tribune and Gatton Report informed him that they were orchestrated. Today he wasn't doing the jig anymore.
Rader would jig even if he had witnessed the chief taking the cash money directly from the evidence room to the bank. Rader can rationalize anything: he is the champion of government owned cable and CH2MHill. What more needs to be said. The real question is what drives Rader? To quote Bill Thunberg in his infamous statement about Gatton, maybe Rader is just "someone trying to be relevant". Well, his 15 minutes are up.
Can somebody tell me just who did orchestrate this feeble attempt to deceive and distract us? I'm sorry, but this is really scary stuff. Who knows what else they're up to, and who are THEY? And why would they be backing Crone after everything that has already come out? Will the investigators be able to find out? This just tells me that maybe Cops For Kids is just the tip of an iceberg, that there's something even bigger under it.
I agree 100% that the Feds need to be called into this situation, if nothing else so that they can restore public confidence. They need to come in and begin interviewing people from top to bottom, starting with elected officials, moving down to management, and then staff. The exposure of the circumstances surrounding these "letters of support" has seriously tainted any remaining credibility that our town government had. Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Here's the way I see it: The RATS (Rader, Abraham, Thunberg, Smith) tried to pull a fast one on the Big Four (Carney, Houston, Atkins, Herring) by putting Falzone up to manufacturing support for Crone. It almost worked. That is until the big bad Tribune and Gatton Report came along and put a monkeywrench into that well-laid plot. Tsk, tsk, tsk...
It was disturbing, to say the least, reading this article. It appears that the fog of suspicion which has surrounded the police chief may now be filtering into the police department. This is potentially very harmful for our community. For the sake of our community, the town board members must exert sufficient pressure to replace the police chief as quickly as possible before this problem spreads any further and leads to the erosion of the police department, upon which we rely for our safety. Failure to do so would be tantamount to gross abdication of their duties and could lead to serious liability.
Jamie, your article is completely ridiculous and is beneath a so called journalist. It must be a slow news day. The Officers and the dispatcher do have minds of their own. They have every right to stand behind there boss. By you writing the article, you prove that you do not have respect for what anyone else has to say. Did they personally attack you like you are doing to them? If you had my respect before, you have totally lost it. And before the same people write some nasty response back, you can save yourself time. Everyone can predict what you will say.
“Let us comfort the afflicted, and afflict the comfortable…”
"The fundamental issue here lies within the question of whether those particular officers practiced free speech … or if their speech was less free than some officers hoped it would appear to be."
The articles mentions the following:
"Did Falzone order his squad members to write the letters in support of Crone? Did he suggest it? Did he consider, when making such a suggestion, that his squad members may take his suggestion to be, in fact, an order? Did he consider that some officers might not want to write such letters and by not participating could therefore eventually become targeted for ill treatment by other officers, higher ranking officials or Crone himself should he return? Did Falzone write his letter with intentions of swaying the opinions of elected officials, who must wait until the investigations’ results before casting judgment? Unfortunately, we don’t have answers to those questions. Falzone couldn’t be reached for comment yesterday."
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"But there’s a mitigating factor here: Their boss introduced to them the idea of writing the letters. What effect did that have on the officers? How voluntary were the letters really? Was it proper for a commanding officer to put his subordinates in a position where they might have felt uncomfortable not participating?"
The first part says that you don't know if Falzone introduced the idea and your second part says that Falzone did introduce the idea. Which part is fact? What do you mean by "introduce"? It seems that the only fact is that police officers wrote these emails while on duty.
BTW are commissioners forwarding emails from town employees to this website? I know that email may be considered public record, but what message are the commissioners sending by forwarding emails to a website. If I were a town employee and I wrote an email to a commissioner about my boss (positive or negative) I would not want my writing to be in direct quotes on the internet.
- We pay too much in taxes, water rates, and other services to not have the truth
Come on "Teresa". Your little letter-writing scheme flopped and now you're real sore about it. You tried to hoodwink the commissioners who've been on top of this situation, and now the gig's up. Don't fret. Instead of huffing and puffing at Jaime Gatton, just pick up the phone and call the mayor and the town manager and they'll help you cook up a new scheme in a jiffy. No worries darling.
Oh my! You've lost the respect of Teresa, Jaime. I think I am just going to have to stop reading your expose's now because the phantom Miss Teresa's respect carries such weight and credibility. I mean I can only assume she reserves her highly sought after respect for such upstanding citizens as Police Chief John Crone and his outstandingly moral entourage.
Please stop calling it a charity account, it was not a charity account, it was a for profit business account, under the SSN (not the articles of incorporation and EIN number) of John Crone himself, DBA Cops for Kids. That makes it a for profit business that took in hundreds of thousands of dollars over the course of ten years, and that is only between 10,000 and 20,000 dollars a year, and I bet that is such a low estimate. Probably more like 50,000 per year. 20 years of a for profit business not paying taxes is 1,000,000. or about 300,000 in tax owed because crone did not know what he was doing. (not knowing the law does not help him, ask any lawyer.)With no products being sold other then the "good will" (extortion) of the police department and when I say good will, I mean, give me money and you will get special treatment by me and my officers, I bet they did not even give those phony police stickers to their victims.
But make no mistake, it was a for profit business where John Crone AND his officers went door to door or called by phone and extorted money from them, ie. Hobbs act violation. Also, for every individual attempt to "get" money from a business or resident it is another felony charge, so if you gave him 10 dollars today, 100 next month and 100 in two months, that is 3 individual felony charges of violating NC GS 14-100, now multiply that by the number of people that donated and you will begin to see the shear number of charges we are talking about. It will be hundreds, if not thousands. Every time he or his individual officers even so much as tried to get money from people, they did not even have to get the money, it is another charge. Another hundreds or thousands of felonies for the attempts.
Every officer that made the attempt or succeded in getting the money is also going to be charged with felonies. I bet right now that half of your department if not more are guilty of felonies, and their only hope not to be charged is that they were to stupid to know what Crone was doing. However that is a double edge sword as if you were to stupid to know what is going on then you are too stupid to be a police officer. (sorry to use that word)
No one has any idea what is about to happen to your department because they do not understand NC GS 14-100. It is a vicious vicious law with saber tooth like teeth, I do understand, which is why I brought it up in the first place and why I am forcing a federal investigation and why John Crone, needs to be arrested, right now, his passport needs to be taken, as well as any firearms and his badge. People with this many charges, are prone to flee or commit suicide. I am begging your people to save his life right now.
The town of Mooresville is about to fill its jail, with police officers and town council and think of the problems that is going to cause.It is not going to be safe for any of them. Protect them, I promise you do not understand that law.
Call in the feds NOW, you have no choice in the matter, either you do it, or I force it.
But either way, it is going to happen, get out of denial now while you still can save some of these people.
Everyone in town needs to go to the Town hall ASAP and remove your elected officals. Call towns and counties near you and get there help, this is no joke! This is an emergency and no one seems to be looking at it like that.
The county DA can not be impartial. Neither can the independant investigator who is a "personal friend" He will back out of this when he relizes what is going on. No one will touch this with a ten foot pole.
10 years of fraud people, you can not un-screw this pooch, shes pregnant and she is about to drop.
You can think I am shouting fire in the theater all you want, it is not going to change the outcome, he admitted it on TV. Its over, Save them now!!!!!
To 8:24,
Why is it that you assume that "Teresa" is the one of the ones to right the letter. Isn't the basis of this blog free speech. Can't someone disagree. Oh wait, I forgot, everyone should think like you.
To 8:32,
Like I said predictable.
I believe Ms. Gatton said it best when she wrote the following:
"But really, a violation of the personnel policy should be the least of our worries. I am a staunch supporter of every person’s right to free speech, and I am elated when I see people embrace and exercise that Constitutional right, even if I disagree with what they say. Am I disappointed that the police department employees violated the personnel policy? Absolutely. But there’s a mitigating factor here: Their boss introduced to them the idea of writing the letters. What effect did that have on the officers? How voluntary were the letters really? Was it proper for a commanding officer to put his subordinates in a position where they might have felt uncomfortable not participating?"
Jaime, I heard that someone in the Water Department took an ink pen home with them today and that is strictly against town policy. How dare they disrespect us as taxpayers. I want Justice!!!!!!!! I will not rest until that ink pen is returned and the person who took it is locked up forever. I dont know how but I am sure that Erskine Smith has something to do with this. How dare he let someone take an ink pen on his watch. Its a huge conspiracy!!
Getting rid of Crone: $A BIG FIGHT.
Getting rid of Gatton: $STOP CLICKING ON HER BLOG.
It's that simple folks. If you don't like what she has to say,if you don't want to participate in the discussion of the issues, if you don't like the format that she is offering here, then by all means don't type in the name of her blog. You found yourself here. Find your way back out.
8:47, please quote the exact section of town policy that prohibits taking home an ink pen.
"Since each of the officers – with the exception of the dispatcher – work under Falzone, it is impossible to know which ones voluntarily wrote letters in support of Crone and which ones did so because they felt their boss had suggested that they do it."
July 16, 2008 8:38 PM
Because I wasn't born yesterday...
Teresa, are you really trying to compare taking home a pen with stealing thousands of dollars from a charity meant for needy children and senior citizens?
G.G. Is that the best you could come up with? Stealing a pen????? Like somebody said before. Go call your friends Erskine Smith and Mayor Thunberg and I think they'll come up with a better analogy than that for you to use.
How dare you make light of this ink pen situation? First an ink pen, then a notepad and then it will be total chaos!!!! Town policy was broken and I want someone thrown in jail tonight. Jaime get to town hall and do something about this travesty.
Folks you have no idea how you've hit the nail on the head. The Crone apologists/rationalizers who had been him-hawing around town about him got quiet as mice today. Not a peep. This Letter-Gate knocked the wind out of some people and opened some other people's eyes. There were some seriously pissed off people walking around this town today.
WHAT ABOUT INK PEN GATE?????? As a taxpayer I demand justice!
Gatton, you are getting beat up. The officers who didn't want to be a part of this thank you for what you did.
To 9:12,
Do you stop to think that there are more than a couple of people here that to not agree with you? Does the ink pen have my name on it? No, so don't assume that it is me. Even though I thought it was hilarious.
Hold on, do you have some information about the ink pen? I bet my sweet ass that Erskine Smith is behind this. Jaime have you called WCNC yet? How can you just sit here and do nothing people? Our tax dollars are getting abused!!!
WOW Teresa. You had my respect there for a minute. You think its hilarious that money raised for needy children and seniors didn't go to them?
Somebody wrote asking us to stop clicking on this blog. Well here's the problem. Those of us who are not corrupt want to know who is, so you better believe we're gonna keep clicking.
Those who are corrupt are too scared to subscribe, so if they wanna find out what's new they have to click on cause they're loosing sleep over whether there name will be the next one to be exposed.
The travesty is in the sophomoric manner in which you try to distract the discussion. There is nothing in the personnell policies which specifically delimnate the situation involving an alleged theft of a pen.
Get serious here. Are you not concerned by the fact that the Major (who is acting Chief) gave a direct order to employees and that Captain Falzone not only ignored that directive, but also discussed the situation with his subordinates in an attempt to send email.
7 out of 59 appear to support the chief. That's a worse approval rating than George Bush.
g.g.allin, a/k/a "Teresa", or whatever you are (c'mmon, we all know you're a man!) keep on making fun. Jaime, always remember that "she who laughs last laughs the hardest."
At least she's got one thing right. If it's missing, chances are Erskine Smith IS behind it...
G. G. Allin
Means
Going All In,
its a crooked cop,
He can call me, 14-100 or Tic Toc, or what ever, but the fact of the matter is, I now have the second person on my list to hunt down. Keep posting so I can zero in on you. Do you think people besides crooked cops are not trained to detect and match the way you wright?
Your next and your right, you are all in and I will be taking you all the way out.
write
"Since each of the officers – with the exception of the dispatcher – work under Falzone, it is impossible to know which ones voluntarily wrote letters in support of Crone and which ones did so because they felt their boss had suggested that they do it."
Is that a death threat Tic Toc?
No, that is a go to prison promise. Keep it up.
You have to know that even when you post anonymous, your IP is recorded on google's servers. How dumb can you be to try to suppress this crime.
Jaime, you have definitely rattled some cages with this story. I guess some people are none too happy about your raining on their little parade and scattering their dog and pony show. Good for you. None of us out here are getting fooled by their little shenanigans. The more they show their hindquarters the more we know what we're dealing with.
It's a plane with no AVOD and no crew bunk for 10/18 CO84.
God you are dumb, now I know alot more about you, where is your police helicopter or aviation officers.
Anyone know?
Say something else sparky
Tic Toc
Tic Toc for MAYOR! God knows we could use some leadership around here. Who's at the friggin' helm??? Who's going to deal with the insurgency inside the MPD? We've got a captain and his officers who're actually DEFENDING a corrupt chief of police - a chief of police who took money out of the evidence room and put it into his Cops 4 Kids. We're supposed to feel safe with these 7 officers "serving & protecting" us???? I want to know who they are.
Tic Tac Toe, you may be the dumbest S.O.B on this board and that is saying alot. It is obvious that the poster was just making up numbers to be funny. You really need to relax.
"The policy also states: “Members shall not interfere with cases being handled by … other government agencies unless: A.) Ordered to intervene by a supervisor; or B.) The intervening member believes, beyond a reasonable doubt, that injustice would result from failure to take action; or C.) Such intervention is required as a result of supervisory or command responsibilities.”
Oh yea, sorry, last thing and then I am going back to the law,
I might be but I dont not steal money from the towns people and your going to have to give back those freq. flyer miles for all those trips you charged on Cops for kids, they belong to the good people of mooresville. I would say you have hundreds of thousands of them right sparky.
Someone else take this one.
Tic Toc
Did they teach you anything in dumb cop school?
Continental OnePass Huh, oh yea, cant find you LOL
This is to easy, I going back to the law.
You have know idea WHAT or WHO I am, but you will when the time is right!
Tic Toc
Who's responsible for taking back those frequent flyer points? Pleeeeease don't tell me it's Erskine Smith. Dare I hope that somebody honest will make sure those points are returned to the town and used appropriately and fairly? When is the actual town manager going to get here?
People dont make up random combinations of letters and numbers that are also a code for a freq flyer program. The odds of hitting it are astronimical.
Do the right thig and turn yourself in if you are Crone as I already suspect.
Tic Toc
BTW, if you are Crone, what are you doing with your freq. flyer club info next to your computer. I dont you all to arreast him, now look what is happening.
So let me get all this straight, its okay for all of Jaime Gattons worshippers to get on here and call the town board names and the police cheif names but it isnt okay for someone to show support? Do you know for an absolute fact that Falzone forced them to sign the support letter? Of course you dont, but you are just like all the other "idiots" on this blog who dont care about facts and whole truths. All you care about is your personal grudge
This could not have been said better!!!!!!!!
It really makes no diff if the order was given or not. The FACT is ....it is against policy. PERIOD. and by the way, you can refuse a dirct order anyway if it is 1. against the law or 2. against the SOP policy manual.
Did I hear "Jaime Gatton Worshipper"? That's me! A Jaime Gatton Worshipper and proud of it.
Speaking of policy, are the news stations at town hall yet about Ink Pen Gate? Ticky Tacky get your slightly retarded ass down there and protect the rights of all us taxpayers!!
Jamie whatever you're doing it's working. You are amazing. You have rocked their little world. I can hardly believe this is happening right here in Mooresville. Never thought I'd live to see the day when somebody could take the bone out of these dogs' mouths.
Seems that there should be a blog just to sling insults to anybody for anything. The comments lately have nothing to do with Jaime's topic. It appears that the email story has been reported and lets give the Major the benefit of the doubt that he will take care of it. Regardless of the officers intentions, I don't see how their actions will effect the SBI or any other investigation. I'm sure none of the officers like what is going on and its probably somewhat distracting from their duties, and they would like some resolve soon also.
Please, current and former officers stop insulting each other over he said, she said. Every company has employees who get their feelings hurt by each other and I doubt if police are any different. This type of behavior on both sides is disturbing and you guys should be above that.Of course, if you know of criminal activity please report it to the SBI.
Remember everyone should be here for the truth in regards to the cops for kids investigation, instead of attacking each other and straying off subject. Looks like Jaime is keeping up to date on that investigation, she will post news as it happens.
AMEN TO THAT! BTW, Mooresville made the news again tonight. Yep. "Suspended Mooresville Chief of Police being investigated by SBI and former FBI agent." Just the kind of publicity I like to see for my town. Thanks chief.
Did they happen to say anything about the missing ink pen?
I don't know, but I seem to remember they said something about some missing colas from the break room at MPD. You know, that investigation Crone spent $600 on a videorecorder for. Still no report on it though.
July 16, 2008 9:00 PM, dream on. Telling people to stop reading this blog is like telling the stars to not come out at night. Give up the ghost. The cat's out of the bag and it ain't going back in. The gig is up and it's time for the grifters to move on to the next town full of suckers.
I now have the proof to why reality shows are doing so well on television. It is a sad day when you realize the best way you can live your life is to try to get in someone elses. It's also funny how you can take any document, pull out the parts that seem to go along with your rationalizations, and piece it back together to read how you want it to. I feel sorry for you Jamie.
I want to tell G.G Allin and the people of this board that I was wrong about him, head to tow, he is not even close to crone.
I made a mistake, so I am sorry for that. But you did lead me down the road of Freq. Flyer Miles. and that is a good thing. But this is why I stick with laws, normally. I spoke while upset, never a good idea.
Thats why I tell people to pick apart the laws I post that Crone broke and the crimes I say he committed.
If you are who I think you are now, nice tat, very unique and I hope you finish your degree. But then I could be wrong again. Either way, your not crone.
In the future I will try to not lash out and I hope you continue to speak your mind no matter where you stand on the issue of Crone.
Tic Toc
I respect the right of free speech, but the tic-toc avenger is really becoming a pain. I read his threatening posts where he is going to have everyone arrested at the pd and claims to be able to access all kinds of records for anyone that crosses him. Jack Bauer? Is that you? Stick to the issues. State your opinion without all the threats. It makes you look delusional. Just a suggestion.
I just said I was wrong, but maybe I will just leave you to handle it on your own. Perhaps I have tried to help more then I should. So I will stay off this board and do what I am going to do anyway.
But at least you were polite. The comment you are refering to was a joke to a kid trying to side track the issue and calling people idiots and I will not apoligize for it. Good Luck. Just so you know, many of them are going to prison. Just pick apart the laws I posted, sorry if I offended you. It wont happen again.
Beware of the top echalon in th MPD.
Crone has his loyal buddies, and without causing panic, Robbins on down need to be scrutinized very closely.
Another question I have for the chief is, how legal is his satellite feeds coming in to his home????? Could be legal now, but what was the situation in the past???? Makes you want to go ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Maybe just a rumor, but with his mode o operatum, I wouldn't be surprised!!!!!!
12:51 -- I just received "Rader at Large" - a publication disseminated via e-mail by Frank Rader. He published the e-mails from the officers (without their names). What Jamie used in the story is an accurate description of the contents of the e-mails.
Instead of speculating on the appropriate use of Cops for Kids funds, why not ask the people and businesses who donated those funds how and why they got involved? Select a few sponsors from the Cops for Kids golf tournament information and ask some questions of them. They will no doubt be able to recount the names of people who contacted them, what they donated and whether they listed Cops for Kids donations on their tax returns. Find the information with research rather than assumptions.
I'm sure most of them intended for the police chief to take out the money in large cash increments. That's what one would usually expect a charity to do with their money, right? Actually, the intent of the donors is irrelevant. It is what was done with the funds that is relevant and whether it was in alignment with the published mission of the organization. Period.
Hey, while you guys are asking around, maybe you should ask the crime victims and those accused of crimes how they feel about their money being taken from the evidence room and put into the chief's fund? I'm no legal expert but surely there is not a provision in the law that allows that to happen without some kind of court order. I've heard somebody familiar with the courts say that any money in an evidence room that can't be returned to its owner for some reason has to go to the schools. If that's the case, that part of the Crone case is a no brainer. Doesn't take a rocket scientist or the SBI to figure that out.
Signed, Dumb Yankee
You could have just signed it Yankee. We would have known to put loud, obnoxious, arrogant and dumb in front of it.
to the criminal w/ a degree in comp. science:
Your post is a perfect example of what we are trying to combat in this town.Do YOU not realize that federal and state agents are monitoring this site also and the threats you've communicated represent a felony.The technology you described so well can just as easily be traced to you, no matter what kind of firewall or blocks you use.Your threats are no more impressive than those who hide behind white sheets and burn crosses.We are not afraid of a bully anymore, can't you understand that?
This is "dumb yankee", actually, I'm from these parts, lived here all my life. Just wanted to see how somebody would react if it looked like my post was coming from a "Yankee". Wow, it didn't take long to see how that works!! Good thing I didn't sign it "hard working Mexican".
Yes I do know that I am fully prepared to go down taking Crone down with me, dont threaten just do it, and you know as well as I do that you would have to prove that was not a joke or that I actually did it. Everyone with a computer is "able" to do it. Sorry, not going to get me with that. But nice try. I also said in that post, "Do you know why I dont do that, Its Illegal" For all you know I am in computer security to stop those things from happening. No probable cause. NEXT????
BTW, I am counting on this board being monitored by the FBI and Secret Service at the very least. Or do you still not realize that.
This is a continuation of the "Ink Pen Gate Vigil" of the number of days which pass from the day the ink pen was stolen (7/16/08) to the day that Police Chief Crone and Interim Town Manager Erskine Smith are both suspended, terminated or resign.
The ink pen was stolen on Wednesday, 7/16/08. The community clearly wants to find out what has happened to the taxpayers ink pen. However, serious questions are now mounting with regard to Mr. Smith's decision to not call in the SBI, FBI and National Guard.
Interim Town Manager Erskine Smith, the keeper of all ink pens, remains in his position and continues to operate still. Therefore I shall continue this Vigil until he, too, vacates any post he holds as a public official in Mooresville due to his role in this matter as well as other matters that have been brought to light.
The town board has placed Helen Keller in charge of oversight of the ink pen location process (including but not limited to any investigations) which indicates that they, too, lack confidence and trust in the Interim Town Manager. Despite this lack of confidence, Mr. Smith remains in his position, a position to which Helen Keller reports.
The information I specifically refer to is:
1) documented misrepresentations made by Mr. Smith with regard to the missing ink pen.
2) Mr. Smith's direct recommendation to the town board that he chews on ink pens sometimes.
3) Mr. Smith's failure to perform due diligence in his capacity as Interim Town Manager by properly researching and hunting down the dirty rat that stole the ink pen.
4) Mr. Smith's involvement in a questionable commission in the amount of $0.32 as outlined in the Gatton Report blog entry dated 4/18/08 and titled “Friends don’t let friends steal taxpayers ink pens”, the contents of which have never been publicly disputed by Mr. Smith
5) Mr. Smith’s failure or refusal to change all the locks on the doors, filing cabinets and storage bins.
This is Day No. 2.
When placed in the context of Mr. Crone committing violations of NC GS 14-100 which states,
“ If the value of the money, goods, property, services, chose in action, or other thing of value is one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000) or more, a violation of this section is a Class C felony.”
As the total value of the property obtained will exceed 100,000 dollars (after the forensic accountant adds up the losses over the past 10 years) in value and Mr. Crone admitted to at least one count on television of violating 14-100 (and will therefore be convicted on all counts which will number in the hundreds) in regard to CFK paying for the holiday party for the department, Mr. Crone will be found guilty by a jury or judge of a Class “C” felony then NC GS 15a-1340.16a will kick in as Mr. Crone committed said act while displaying a firearm, which he would carry in the normal course of his position as the chief of police.
NC G.S. 15A-1340.16A
Page 1
§ 15A-1340.16A. Enhanced sentence if defendant is convicted of a Class A, B1, B2,
C, D, or E felony and the defendant used, displayed, or threatened to use
or display a firearm during the commission of the felony.
(a), (b) Repealed by Session Laws 2003-378, s. 2, effective August 1, 2003.
(c)
If a person is convicted of a Class A, B1, B2, C, D, or E felony and it is found
as provided in this section that: (i) the person committed the felony by using, displaying,
or threatening the use or display of a firearm and (ii) the person actually possessed the
firearm about his or her person, then the person shall have the minimum term of
imprisonment to which the person is sentenced for that felony increased by 60 months.
The maximum term of imprisonment shall be the maximum term that corresponds to the
minimum term after it is increased by 60 months, as specified in G.S. 15A-1340.17(e)
and (e1).
(d)
An indictment or information for the Class A, B1, B2, C, D, or E felony shall
allege in that indictment or information the facts set out in subsection (c) of this section.
The pleading is sufficient if it alleges that the defendant committed the felony by using,
displaying, or threatening the use or display of a firearm and the defendant actually
possessed the firearm about the defendant's person. One pleading is sufficient for all
Class A, B1, B2, C, D, or E felonies that are tried at a single trial.
(e)
The State shall prove the issues set out in subsection (c) of this section
beyond a reasonable doubt during the same trial in which the defendant is tried for the
felony unless the defendant pleads guilty or no contest to the issues. If the defendant
pleads guilty or no contest to the felony but pleads not guilty to the issues set out in
subsection (c) of this section, then a jury shall be impaneled to determine the issues.
(f)
Subsection (c) of this section does not apply if the evidence of the use,
display, or threatened use or display of the firearm is needed to prove an element of the
felony or if the person is not sentenced to an active term of imprisonment. (1994, Ex.
Sess., c. 22, s. 20; 2003-378, s. 2.
Mr. Crone, you chose not to do the right thing and turn yourself in when I told you too, now being an officer of the law, you must understand that every charge I level against you on the Gatton report MUST now be investigated to the fullest extent possible by the SBI in the case of state charges and the FBI and Secret Service for Federal Charges.
You may have been able to sweep this under the rug at one point but that is before I found out about your crimes not more then 6 days ago. I don’t know you, but I promise that just as you have charged criminals in your town with everything under the sun when you arrest someone for even so much as shoplifting, to make yourself look better you are now going to be charged with every singe violation I can think of as I am a firm believer in fair play. But don’t worry, I will only level charges I believe can be proven in court. No “pleas” here.
I am now turning the tables on you, you should have done more to protect the innocent people of your town and not ruin peoples lives with huge numbers of trumped of charges in an effort to make your self look better to the crooked people you serve. And to those people above and below you, I will be looking into you as well after, crone, you are “safely” behind bars, I am going after them with the law. Your town is my new cause celeb. And you are the poster boy.
I am your worst case scenario, I have a brain and a very deep understanding of the law and how things work in the justice system on a state and federal level. And the FBI reading this should understand this, when you call, I will come and help them just like I am helping the town, whether it knows it or not.
If I were a law enforcement officer, I might have some sympathy for you as the blue wall of silence dictates, but you are not that lucky.
And to the people reading this post, pick apart the law, do not attack me personally, prove him innocent.
Mr. Crone, you have another 72 hours to do the right thing, turn yourself in, I will go away and quit posting your crimes, I am not as vindictive as you to have someone arrested on a Friday night so that they MUST spend the weekend in jail before seeing a judge. I know your games. Bank on it.
Next charge, Monday afternoon, It gets worse and it will be federal this time.
Hahaha, I cant believe you wrote all that. How many Law & Order episodes did you have to sit through before you got all that. Let the SBI do their job Barney Fife.
First, let me say that, while not relevant, the ink pen vigil guy is hilarious! I laughed till I cried. Hey tic-toc, was that what we were waiting until 4:30 for you to do...write another post about a "crime"? Oh, well. At least you were early. I was really waiting for something big.
By the way, that is one seriously flawed interpretation of the law. I bet Crone is shaking in his boots over that one.
but I promise that just as you have charged criminals in your town with everything under the sun when you arrest someone for even so much as shoplifting
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So shoplifters shouldnt get arrested?
to have someone arrested on a Friday night so that they MUST spend the weekend in jail before seeing a judge.
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How dare he make criminals spend the weekend in jail!!!!!!
3:56pm...I couldn't agree with more! However, completely irrelevant (as half the postings on this blog are) Ink Pen guy/girl is cracking me up!! I keep coming back for more...my cheeks hurt and I need a tissue!
Thanks Ink Pen person you've lightened the mood a little.
That ink pen story is so hilarious---much unlike the situation we're REALLY dealing with here. Our police chief took "loose change" out of the evidence room and put it into his slush fund. THAT story isn't very funny at all.
STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA
v . Yadkin County
No. 03 CRS 2079-98
ESTIL TALLEY
Does that look like a crime show, read it and you may want to change your response, I would post it but it is very long.
It applies to crone perfectly and backs up my statements in regards to it.
He should be shaking in his boots
You're right, 4:28. The comic relief was good while it lasted. Back to reality, tho.
Tiff, Ink Pen Gate is just beginning my friend. I came to this blog thinking that Jaime Gatton and all of her sheep would jump at the chance to punish whoever it was that broke policy by stealing that ink pen. It appears that I was mistaken. But fear not, we will get to the bottom of this and to whomever took that ink pen you will spend many many years locked up in Federal Prison for what you have done.
"As of May 22, the Mooresville Police Department’s “Cops for Kids” account had a balance of $2,830. Or, it had $20,151. It all depends on which set of records are being reviewed."
Five thousand dollars could pay for a lot of Bics.
"Other substantial cash withdrawals have also been made on several occasions unrelated to Cops for Kids trips. For example, on May 11, 2006, a cash withdrawal of $5,000 was made. On May 17, 2006, a deposit in the amount of $6,983 was made. That deposit was virtually the same as the amount of money collected at the annual golf tournament - $6,960 - and given to Crone on May 17 to deposit, according to Crone’s balance sheet. The $5,000 withdrawn on May 11 therefore remained unaccounted for, as Crone’s balance sheet reflects no cash expenditures from the time of the May 11 withdrawal until the present."
Tic-Toc,
You ever think about law school? You start citing all these cases with glee, but a misapplication of law. Then you actually write that something is too long to post. That certainly hasn't stopped you at any time in the past. Look, you've made your point. Stop killing us with your rambling, threatening posts. A jury of his peers will decide his fate if it gets to that point. Certainly not some street corner lawyer on a mission. You are boring me. I want more about ink pen gate!!! If we are going to be beating the same dead horse, it should at least be entertaining.
The golf tournament is an "attempt" to raise as much money as possible, including over 100,000 dollars creating "great monetary loss" under the false pretenses that it was for charity.
The charity was not a charity it was a for profit business account, everything after the does not matter.
14-100 does not require that he actually have received the money, only that he attempted to, to be found guilty of a class C felony.
The comments on TV has done him in, not me.
The interpretation is not flawed.
But please keep trying.
"According to the police department’s website, Cops for Kids is an incorporated business that since 1995 has “assisted children, seniors, and families that find themselves in unfortunate situations.
“Through generous donations from local business sponsors and individuals in our community,” the website reads, “Cops for Kids has enabled children and seniors to enjoy some of the basic necessities that were not available to them through other agencies. Whether it be transportation costs to school or work, a temporary place to stay for an entire homeless family, youth activity funding, clothing, or some assistance for educational costs, Cops for Kids is ready to help,” according to the website."
"Cops for Kids has taken in tens of thousands of dollars over the years from its annual golf tournament and contributions from individuals and area businesses.
But only a small fraction of Cops for Kids money is devoted to expenses seemingly consistent with the organization’s stated purpose, according to a review of the organization’s financial records."
5:37 This is not about you or your police chief, or your town, this is about the United States Constitution and it will be enforced.
It is about my duty as a citizen of the United States.
We have a name for people who compare taking a pen from work to stealing from charities meant for children and the elderly. The word is "Sociopath".
The big problem, of course, with sociopaths, is that they often assimilate nicely into society and look and act fairly normal. They even hold elected office, run successful businesses, even head up police departments. You can pass one on the street and say hello to them and think they're a pretty nice guy.
5:43 - Is that some kind of clue that could lead to a break in the Ink Pen Gate case? Are you withholding vital information from us? A policy has been broken and I demand action!!!
Because the website was linked to and stolen from a "REAL COPS 4 KIDS" Charity, nothing on it applies to Crones fraud and it is giving a bad name to good trying to do good work for the less fortunate people in California.
I just noticed on the internet that one of the finalist's for the city managers job is the current town mamanger of Cary, N.C.
I wonder what he is running from? Cary is the 5th fastest growing town in the United States it has a popultion of over 130,000 people. Why would he want to downsize to a town 1/5 the size of Mooresville. They the board will probably pay him enough to hire 4 Erskine Smith's.
He will regret the day that he comes here. Check their web site in Cary and see all the taxes that they have there. You will not believe what all they tax.
The other fnalist is from Ohio according to the Mooresville Slander Sheet I mean the Tribune
Poor Erskine Smith ... overlooked again!
If the man from Cary Gets the job. One of two things, he is running from something or he can't handle the job at all and thus he will fit right in in Mooresville.
Give the poor guy a chance. Have a heart. At least it isn't Erskine.
“Jimmy McKnight – owner of Realco Investment Properties, Inc. and a lifelong friend of Interim Town Manager Erskine Smith’s – pocketed a $237,151.50 commission check, courtesy of Mooresville taxpayers, for doing practically nothing….Jimmy McKnight, said Ward 4 Commissioner Chris Carney, was the person chosen by "management staff.”… the realtor walked away with $237,151.50 in commission. His “earnings” were in addition to the nearly $6 million that the town paid for the property. And come to find out, said Carney, McKnight went against the direction of the town board by disclosing to potential sellers that he was negotiating the land purchases as a representative of the Town of Mooresville…Recalled Herring: “The impression that I had is that we sort of handed (the land deal) to (McKnight) on a silver platter. It was an easy contract to fulfill, in my opinion. Did he have to do a lot of talking, convincing, etc.? Probably not….Several sources have confirmed for the Report in recent weeks that McKnight and Erskine Smith are lifelong friends…Smith did not respond to e-mailed Report questions asking about his relationship with McKnight”
Hey, Cronie! Where'd you go? Did you get tired of talking to yourself and laughing at your own jokes? Cat got your tongue?
As an original member of the "Fringe Lunatic Seven" I am amazed at what has happened on this board. As John Lennon once said "Strange Days Indeed".
I have a hypothetical question....if someone contributed $$ to the "Cops for Kids" golf tournament and then deducted their contribution on their Schedule A...aren't they guilty of tax fraud if Cops for Kids turns out to NOT be a registered charity, as it appears now?
(And for the record...I don't play golf and would like the town to subsidize the bowling alley instead if they are looking to invest in any more non-essential businesses with my tax money.)
Makes you wonder....
Punishment for Felonies (14-1.1)
1. Class "A" - Death or life imprisonment
2. Class "B" - Life imprisonment
3. Class "C" - 50 years or life imprisonment, or fine, or both
4. Class "D" - 40 years or fine or both
5. Class "E" - 30 years or fine or both
6. Class "F" - 20 years or fine or both
7. Class "G" - 15 years or fine or both
8. Class "H" - 10 years or fine or both
9. Class "I" - 5 years or fine or both
10. Class "J" - 3 years or fine or both
Boo
Poor wittle Jaime doesnt like song lyrics on this super serious blog. Sad days, sad days indeed.
In order to have a speedy trial and save the tax payers some money. I would allow Crone to plea to a Class A.....what do ya think?
There is no such thing in North Carolina as a "Speedy Trial", you already lost that right when you were not looking. No joke
We will not lose Equal protection in the 14th ammendment which NC is violating right now leaving crone on the street.
I have not had a chance to come back to that yet, but I will
One comment and one question for Chief Robbins.
Comment...I would say that all eyes are on you. The citizens are waiting to see if you have what it takes to do "your" job (at least the job that is your's for now) and hammer the officers that went against a direct order as well as the policy book that is in place.
Question.... Have you notified Training and Standards about the suspention of Crone as required.
What's this "Training and Standards"?
There is a Training and Standards Commission ran by the State in Raleigh. It certifies all officers with the power of arrest in NC. (All NC law enforcement agency that is) You cannot be a officer till they certify you and make sure that you have completed all traing that is needed and passed all background checks required by them. Once you are certified you can then work with the power of arrest. They can also revoke or suspend your certification. I do not know the procedures that they do this by. After you leave a agency you can go to work for another agency if you do it in 12 months of your leaving your past job. After 12 months you have to go back to all the schools and training and backgrounds again.
I am sure that you can Google the commission.
Hope this helps
From a former officer-Not MPD
the joke's on you pengate guy. officers from the police department have, in fact, been fired for similar offenses. what's good for the goose...
Chief Crone installed a camera in the break room to catch whoever was taking Coca Colas. The camera's cost was over $600, paid for by tax dollars. This effort was widely known throughout the MPD, and we called it Cola-Gate. Ask any officers and they'll tell you.
General observation. Cops for Kids has a float in the annual Christmas parade every year. What kids have represented the organization on those floats? And are they the same children that benefited by going on these trips. I am not sure of the answer ... But I have a pretty good guess.
It is soooooooooo amazing that people "think" that none of the officers support Chief Crone. Then when some do support him, you want them dead also! Just maybe, the officers that wrote those e-mails support their Chief, as they should, until it is proven that he actually did something wrong. Contrairy to what some of you wish, it is possible that even though you have already got him hanging from a tree, he could actually be cleared because ... believe it or not - it's possible ... that he did nothing wrong. Sloppy record keeping is not a crime. Burleyson getting fired, while "possibly" wasn't justified is no reason for people to hang a man until he is convicted the proper way. Even Matt Dillon knew that on Gun Smoke. Get a life people!!
It is soooooooooo amazing that people excuse police officers for violating personnel orders and writing letters of support for a person who is under criminal investigation. Sooooooooo amazing.
Sloppy record keeping for a non profit IS a crime. But keep trying.
Crone is far from "hanging in a tree". Last I checked, he was being 100% backed by the Interim Town Manager(the shady Mr. Smith), the even shadier mayor, and at least two likewise shady commissioners (Rader and Abraham). Evidence of misconduct be damned.
Whats soooooooo amazing is all you miserable sheep that care more about others peoples issues than your own.
Last time I heard, caring about where my tax dollars go, what happens to the money of citizens that is held in a "secure" evidence room and where my charity dollars go is my personal business. And it is the personal business of any real citizen who cares about the future of democracy. And last I heard "sheep" would better define the people who would allow all three to be stolen from them by corrupt government officials without questioning it whatsoever. Talk about ass backwards thinking--George Orwell could not have written it better. In case you missed the memo, the sheep have escaped the pasture.
This is off the subject but wasn't Abraham the one who REALYY pushed for this chm2hill or what ever their name is to get the contract? As I remember there was a call for him to recuse himself from the vote because of a personal tie he had with a member of their management.
and oh yeah, Bic, wonder if they'll let Radar wear that ridiculous lawyer bowtie and have his Earl Grey tea in prison?
July 19 5:25pm
Easy Chester!
Ol' Marshall Dillon ain't gettin' out of this so {sic} easy.maybe you jest better hobble over to the saloon and set a spell with Miss Kitty, seein' as how them pesky sheep are up to no good agin.
Make shore yer pistel is loaded.
Hey 11:47 I have been working on this 24 hours a day for the past 8 days and have not had one smile come across in that whole time......but tonight..Baaaa Baaaa :-) That was good about the sheep.
And to the person who is sooooooo whatever.....tell your husband to leave his gun and badge on Chief Robbins desk when he leaves work tomorrow. Chief Robbins so far is the only cop I have looked into that I would say deserves the keep his badge and the Chiefs job as he appears to have integrity above reproach . Of course I am not done with that but I dont think I really need to go any further with him, he is not one of the dirty 7 as far as I can tell. The tone of your voice tells me you are trying to protect either a relative or a spouse. Good luck with that.
This is a continuation of the "Ink Pen Gate Vigil" of the number of days which pass from the day the ink pen was stolen (7/16/08) to the day that Police Chief Crone and Interim Town Manager Erskine Smith are both suspended, terminated or resign.
The ink pen was stolen on Wednesday, 7/16/08. The community clearly wants to find out what has happened to the taxpayers ink pen. However, serious questions are now mounting with regard to Mr. Smith's decision to not call in the SBI, FBI and National Guard.
Interim Town Manager Erskine Smith, the keeper of all ink pens, remains in his position and continues to operate still. Therefore I shall continue this Vigil until he, too, vacates any post he holds as a public official in Mooresville due to his role in this matter as well as other matters that have been brought to light.
The town board has placed Helen Keller in charge of oversight of the ink pen location process (including but not limited to any investigations) which indicates that they, too, lack confidence and trust in the Interim Town Manager. Despite this lack of confidence, Mr. Smith remains in his position, a position to which Helen Keller reports.
The information I specifically refer to is:
1) documented misrepresentations made by Mr. Smith with regard to the missing ink pen.
2) Mr. Smith's direct recommendation to the town board that he chews on ink pens sometimes.
3) Mr. Smith's failure to perform due diligence in his capacity as Interim Town Manager by properly researching and hunting down the dirty rat that stole the ink pen.
4) Mr. Smith's involvement in a questionable commission in the amount of $0.32 as outlined in the Gatton Report blog entry dated 4/18/08 and titled “Friends don’t let friends steal taxpayers ink pens”, the contents of which have never been publicly disputed by Mr. Smith
5) Mr. Smith’s failure or refusal to change all the locks on the doors, filing cabinets and storage bins.
This is Day No. 4.
The ink pen guy's satire might be funny if that was what the story was about. Unfortunately, it is something much more serious. Ink pen's energy could be better spent having the guts to look into official corruption the way Gatton has done. Of course, he wouldn't have the moral fortitude to do that. Because he doesn't think what Gatton has exposed is wrong. This is the atmosphere in which corruption is allowed to thrive.
July 17, 10:18
I believe she probrbly did that because of the copyright infringement :) You can on ly use 10 measures without getting nailed. Forgot if you mentioned the author/artist.
BTW, nice choice of songs ;)
"Mike Hunt" - now here's a guy we call a real class act.
Good point. I've notice it's usually the "classy ones" who're behind Crone and his Cronies 100%...What did somebody say about "birds of a feather..."
BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Sounds like the "baaa baaa" lady has been in the kool aid again. She must be drinking whatever Frank Rader and Erskine Smith are drinking.
Hey 12:14- this is 11:47
I don't have any relatives involved with this. I am SERIOUSLY saying, ABRAHAM did have a buddy involved with this water treatment plant. I think the public is forgetting that and while we are trying to clean things up, I am saying-VOTE HIM OUT next election to anyone trying to fight for open and fair dealing, above-board politics in this town.
While we are cleaning house we can't overlook anything. Agreed?
11:31 - Shouldnt Mac Herring be voted out also then?
This is 11:47, sorry about that, I directed at the wrong person, I should have said 5:25, my mistake. I am not involved in anything other then Crone.
Did it again, damn, LOL But I agree with you 100%
So why the hell were you attacking Abraham?
I did'nt, it was about that soooooooooo person
I apologize
Spanky's back on the blog?
what's the welfare and food stamp comments about? seems to be directed toward jaime. why would someone on gov' assistance spend so much time and money on this blog if they can't support themself? could someone clear this up or is it just a smear tactic?jaime has done so much to expose possible corruption i don't think she would be abusing tax money also.
9:29 am - you are sweet to make this comment. Jaime is a dear friend of mine and I can tell you that we have shared a laugh or two over the "welfare/food stamps" comment. I have a pretty good idea who is writing this and I understand their motivation. I can tell you that Jaime holds no hard feelings. Just for the record, Jaime decided to stay home with her beautiful baby when she had him two years ago, as well as her other two children. Her husband is a dear man and a wonderful provider for the family which has enabled her to raise her children while creating this blog which she has dedicated to the "silenced majority" of her town. Do not worry. No smear tactic and no name calling will deter her from her dedication to this effort.
Everyone, can I please have your attention. I have just been given a home movie featuring none other than our Resource Force leader Tip Top. It appears to be a birthday party of his when he was a young chap. Enjoy!
http://www.jibjab.com/view/141665
In Living Color was a great show. But corruption isn't funny. Your police chief is entering the third full week of his suspension. Other officers have been suspended without pay and fired for much, much less than what has already been proven in this case. You might not like Tic Toc's style, but you know his basic point is right. Perhaps you should join him in simply asking for equal justice under the law. Nothing more, nothing less.
Profile of blog poster G. G. Allin, Ink/Pen Guy/ Bic including pictures.
Mitchell Community College Fool
Seeking Degree in Religion. Unbelievable Fool
Age 23 Child Fool
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=252085703
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Copy and Paste to address bar / click enter you wont believe your eyes
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I know what your thinking Sparky, I'll just take the pictures and info down but it is to late, already made copies of your site and have put them in an email with all the BS you are saying to send to all your closest friends and faculty on campus, (well, truth be told, everyone one campus I am sure I will hit a professor o or two of yours) and pulled email address to a database to make it a one click shot or would you like to say something else to me.
Are we done?
Feel free to state your opinions but anything else and I will exercise my right to free speech with your own words.
That feeling you are getting right now in the pit of your stomach should tell you that you are on the wrong side of this thing.
Go to "The Report Spanks Commissioner Frank Rader". The evidence against Crone is right there in black and white. No getting away from it. Let's see how many people are willing to go down with him now.
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