Nearly two months after the Town of Mooresville ordered two audits of the Cops for Kids financial records, the second accounting firm has not been hired.
The town needs to hire a second firm to corroborate the findings of the first firm, Carolina Financial Investigations, which is in the process of reviewing the Cops for Kids financial documents.
The town has apparently been wrangling since July with a second company, Greer & Walker LLP, over language in a “letter of engagement,” which basically serves as a contract between the firm and the town. “We’ve been trying to obtain and negotiate a letter of engagement since mid-July,” Town Finance Director Maia Setzer told the town board in its regular monthly meeting last night.
Commissioner Chris Carney said if the letter doesn’t benefit the Town of Mooresville, “send it back, and politely tell them we’re going to move on about our business.”
Added Commissioner Miles Atkins: “We’re trying to give this firm business. If they’re taking this long at the beginning (of the process), what’s it going to be like to work with them?”
Setzer took partial responsibility for the delay. “I have been out of the office for 14 work days,” she said. “I have not been able to get on top of this due to scheduling issues.”
Setzer had told town commissioners previously that “the portions of the investigation requiring Town staff participation has been slowed … due to long-ago planned vacations.”
The town needs firms that specialize in "forensic accounting," Setzer said, adding that such firms are rare.
“Essentially, they’re looking for things that aren’t there,” Setzer said, including "transactions that have been hidden, if they’ve been hidden, or not properly documented."
She reminded commissioners that the Cops for Kids account “is not an account that the town has a right to see.”
Commissioners voted 5-1, with Commissioner Frank Rader dissenting, to modify the letter of engagement and present it to Greer & Walker one last time. If the firm did not agree to the terms in the letter, the board authorized Setzer to contact an alternate firm today.
Setzer said she already had another company in mind. “I can call the other company, but I wanted to get this one solved first,” she said.
It’s unclear what the cost to the town will be for the audits. Greer & Walker asked for a $10,000 retainer, but the town will apparently not know the final tally for the audits until the firms complete their work. “We just don’t know,” said Rader. “Once we start, we can’t stop.”
Carney said it’s a price worth paying. Though the town “will not be any financially better off at the end of this study,” he said, the town should not set limits on actions it takes “to restore public trust” … even though it might come “at a hefty, hefty price.”
Commissioner Mitch Abraham asked town staff to provide commissioners within the next few weeks with a list of “what’s been spent to keep the public up-to-date.” He said he would like for staff time to be included in the breakdown of expenses.
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1 – 200 of 325 Newer› Newest»So all Abraham cares about is what has been spent to keep the public up to date. Well, common sense would say nothing has been spent since nothing has been done to inform the public other than a brief press release announcing Crone's firing.
Wow.....2 months....and we've almost hired a second accounting firm. You gotta love the sense of urgency here. Let's set 2012 as a goal to work towards here gang...
I can tell you that as a practicing CPA, I would run far and fast to stay away from this cesspool. Under absolutely no circumstances would I get involved with this bunch.
Did Mitch Abraham mean "what’s been spent to keep the public up-to-date" or "what’s been spent.....to keep the public up-to-date.” ??? I'm no Abraham fan, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt this time and guess that he meant that he wanted to know the cost so that he could keep the public up to date.
Look at people that sit on death row for a decade. Personally I do not believe in lowering yourself to another's level. Anyhow it is still wasted tax dollars and public time. It fits the situation and the town board. Delay is the best way to forget. With time comes new memories. They may have taken vacations, some just and deserved while others are not. If certain people other than Setzer truly believe in this investigation they would take upon themselves to get it done. That is just my opinion. For six figures i would take it upon myself. Feel free to bash me for not taking upon myself as a citizen. Lowering ones morals to prove a point does not make it valid; keep in mind. Keep on driving forward to take back your town.
Hey all, my wife and I were at the meeting last night, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it was Miles Atkins(A long awaited smart, precise, and caring man) who asked for the report on what was spent, not Abraham !!!!!! As a matter of fact, Carney even agreed with Miles and told him it was a great idea. Of course, the rest of the bunch sat quietly, hating every minute of what had just transpired. Miles will plug along, probably by himself most of the time, but in the end HE WILL PREVAIL.
Of course, I love to watch "Penguin", he's alone with the ignorant people who beleive his phony numbers, and sarcastic holy than thou attitude.RADER thinks he'sthe President of THE WORLD. What a waste that we have to endure his S--- until 09.
I agree with Andy, keep turning the screws. I have to give props to the commishes for at least questioning this firm. Could they be coming out of the coma? Naaaahhhhh!
Ring the phones off the hooks people until they get it right.
I was there as well and Miles requested an itemized list of money spent from the general fund on non-budgeted items. /This is standard operating procedure for Mooresville,vacations,letter of understanding issues, the stall will continue. I don't trust recommendations from people who had to know about Cops for Kids for years. I don't buy the ignorance ploy at all. How was Cops for Kids able to operate all those years visible as it was with no questions from Mia Setzer? Erskine Smith recommended it be brought under the general fund at this years retreat with an appropriation of $20k + and played in the golf outing yet he never asked questions. The Cops for kids web page was up and no one approved it? Who in our town government was responsible for checking out recipients of ToM funds? Hell, kids don't get to attend school without records of their shots. The car can't get an inspection sticker without a check of its mechanical integrity. Yet, all of our high paid employees never asked a single question about Cops for Kids? The Town Board should be mad as hell right now, but they are not, why not? If they don't have anything to hide, call the FBI, I'm sure they have a few forensic accountants that would examine the Cops for Kids and any other accounts the town has open. I also wonder what accounts may be open in other departments, don't you?
Folks, the most troubling item in this article has not been mentioned. (Maia Setzer)She reminded commissioners that the Cops for Kids account “is not an account that the town has a right to see.”
Excuse me but if the town does not have the right to view the account who does? I could get into all sorts of items of why the town has EVERY right to see this account. I could explain here but afraid it would take to much space typing, plus I do not want to appear to be like Frank "Chicago" Radar. Enough blow hards already.
Ms. Setzer is correct, the town has no right to see the account of John Crone, it is his personal business account and all transactions are private.
The town should not be investigating this, the SBI does, the town is willing to spend the money necessary to "restore public trust"
That money would be better spent elsewhere.
The town has no right or responsibility to investigate a private citizens private business bank account. And there in lies the problem with john crone and his cops 4 kids account.
My advise to the town is to save your money and force the SBI to do their own jobs. By now Ms. Setzer, you know, as I do, that John Crone is Guilty.
Do not retain that firm. Or any other, we are well past that now. Save the tax payers money.
John Crone never had to turn over any documents related to Cops 4 Kids he was not ordered to by a court.
That, in truth was his fatal mistake. If he had not turned them over, he would have walked and quickly been able to cover this up but because he did, he, and all of his closest friends are going to prison.
Thought I would tell you all that, so you know where the blame lies when you are all sitting in prison.
Tic Toc
no right to see the account?
how odd.
this was an account that for 10 years operated out of the office of the chief of police; used the town web site and other town resources to advertise and to be presented as part of the town; and recently was formally brought into the town budget.
to say we have no right to view the account data is to place form over substance.
yes, cops for kids was a non-profit business corporation organized under the laws of the state of north carolina. but it was clearly operated as a part of the police department, and john crone kept all documents and account information in his capacity as chief of police. because those documents and data were kept as part of crone's duties as a public official, the records are public. that's the argument the town should be making. it's not a sure thing, but it's a good one. it's certainly better than just saying, 'we have no right.'
I am sorry 9:16, Cops for Kids was never a non profit corp, yes they had the documents where they had set up the non profit, but they would never used, the account has been a sole prop. business account for that whole time, and no one bothered to check.
The account is in the name of John Crone, DBA Cops for Kids, it was under the Social Security Number of John Crone, and that makes it a private for profit business. It was never a non profit, and it was never a charity and that is why John Crone and his merry band of Robbing Hoods are going to prison. That is what puts him into 14-100 and everything I said applies, they are all guilty, every one who either took money or attempted to take money is guilty whether they wear a badge, fake like raders or real like Crones and his officers are going to prison. The law is clear and they all violated it.
BTW, in case no one can read between the lines of what Ms. Setzer to the Board, it is obvious to me that John Crone is no longer cooperating with the town or the police. If he was still helping, then the town would have got him to release the records from the bank. Because that would have been Ms. Setzers first call, to get those records so she has known fron day one and I am sure to try to get them she would have made her second call to John Crone and he told her No, I wont release them to the town.
Think about it, would you release them under the circumstances if you did not have to?
John Crone has finally done something smart and is starting to run for cover.
Yeah, the "no right to see the account" comment was pretty insulting considering that Crone had to produce all the information to Gatton in the first place because they were public documents. Maybe Setzer is trying to protect she and Erskine Smith for their failure to ever oversee the account on behalf of the town. Smith was in charge of that "Mayor's Youth Council" that benefitted from the junkets. And he had not even the curiosity to see how the money was being handled? It was simply the obligation of Crone's supervisors to be on top of this long before Gatton had to go and get this information and report it. Some of this is so insulting to the taxpayer on a very basic level.
If the "Cop for Kids received or is receiving taxpayer funds, we have an absolute right to see the financials, period.
John Crone ran a telemarketing boiler room out of the police department, he did it in the open and he did it from his office. And he did it 100% illegally for a decade. It was a private for profit business account that he flat out told people was a charity. Its the most brazen thing I have ever seen personally and I have seen a lot of brazen things.
Now get that picture in your head for a second, now take away the uniforms, guns, badges, police cars and other assorted police crap, and picture him and his crooked cops in a run down office building in charlotte with a couple dozen phones and sleezy police fundraisers (the soon to be ex cops who helped) behind crappy desks and calling your grandmother.
Now if you can see that in your mind you will know why what he did was so, so, so bad. There is no way that no one did not know what he was doing, there is no way that he should not be arrested already, because that is what we are dealing with here, is a slezzy telemarkting police fundraising fraud room, that just happened to be run by the chief from his office.
Believe me he is a criminal who played the system well enough to become chief of police of your town, he is nothing more then Mooresville 's equivalent to a Capo in the Mob. I bet you already know who is playing the part of John Gotti, well that would be none other then Frankie "the bowtie/numbers man/idiot" Rader. They all have their places in the pecking order.
Just watch how this plays out when the Feds come in swinging the RICO act. They have no choice and by now they know that as I do.
BTW folks, it looks like the sheriff is in for a ride too with his DARE program. And where there are two, there are 3 and 4 and so on.
I hope people are starting to see just what has been going on in your towns and county, we are talking millions in fraud over the years that has been stolen from people wanting to help other people but these people placed themselves as the middle man and stole eveything not nailed down.
That you are going to have to take up with the board, that is not john crones problem, but I am not sure and correct me if I am wrong but cops for kids never got the 20,000 so he never took taxpayer funds. He was funded by donations from business and residences in the town, but you do need to start asking why tax payer funds were loaned to cops for kids in the first place and who authorized those loans to happen, because they are criminals as well, but they are sitting high and might on the Town BOard.
Subpeona Duces Tecum for everybody! I hope they keep stalling myself, because that will create more problems for them. (Town of Mooresville, the gift that keeps on giving.) I think that an audit of the entire town should be done since, Mia Setzer didn't know what financial activity was done by a town employee for all those years. I would bet my shirt that there are more " Phantom" accounts/employees/entities once you look at the Town's books. I want to hear more about Erskine Smith's "project" called Mayors Youth Council. At the rate we are going, we will have enough for a 60 minutes segment on municipal corruption.
He did not have to release any of the documents, he is just stupid and he thought he had too. If he would have said no, you cant have them, he would have only been fired, but he thought he had to give them up and he thought, like any decent con man would, that his mouth could fix this later, but the problem is, there is someone like me out here who knows better, his mouth is not better then my fingers typing, not on his best day. Because I know exactly what he did and he cant lie to you all with out me knowing about it and correcting it.
He was free except for giving up those documents.
John Crone is one of the dumbest criminals on the planet right now, and he knows it as well.
I have an idea, let Jamie Gatton find a forensic accounting firm from another state(one not recommended by any of our town employees or their friends), and let the Town of Mooresville pay the bill. This won't happen because the Board won't O.K. the funds to have an objective firm come in and look around. The ToM will shop around till they find a "good ole boy firm" that will give them a clean bill of health. The part I love the most, the FBI is watching their antics. Keep squirming commissioners, its like quick sand, the more you move, the deeper it gets.
Race City? I think NOT! More like, "SIN CITY!"
I think that this stall tactic has gone on long enough. If it were "average Joe" there would have already been court dates. What were the findings of the first firm hired to audit? Could it be the results of the forst firm were not favorable to the ToM and Crone which is why they are needing a second one to conduct an audit? This is crazy and I don't see why we can not get some answers. The entire ToM staff, hired and elected should be reviewed. I would also like to see a list of names of the parents, not the children, of the children that benefited from these trips. My guess is that you will find several that were in no way in any "need" at all. Maybe some were the children of those that signed Crone's support letter.
is the FBI checking this bs out.
Kwame! Kwame! Kwame! Kwame!
YES!
Hopefully!
Don't worry bloggers, they wouldn't be watching you. But I wouldn't want to be one of the folks involved in this thing right now, that is for sure.
If they are smart, they would be watching me, I want them here, I asked for them to be here and I believe they are here. That is the only reason I have restrained myself to stay within the law. If it was not for them, I would have so much more info then I already have now on these fools. But the juicy info I would need to break the law to get and lets all just hope it does not come to that, if it does, it wont be a pretty ending to this thing of ours for any of us. Everyone has skeletons in their closet, I just know how to find them is all.
To the Feds, I am getting tired of having to do this for you, how many times are you going to let me cut the head off the snake before you act. You know if I were anyone else I would be in witness protection by now, but my guess is you know I dont want to have to do this, (and I sure dont want that hell) and I promise you dont want me to come there so I guess we are at an impass and you are hoping I will just go away, which I will when you cure the violation of the 14th, once that is done, I no longer need to speak and my future will be in play because of these idiots. I am still not known and as long as I stay that way, neither of us has a problem but if I out myself we both have big problems. So by all means, come in now before that happens because if that happens you know by now that I will win not only my freedom but my constitutional lawsuit. I am sure someone has told you that by now.
Dont make me do this, I do not want to do this, 1 charge for 1 man of a violation of 14-100 and I can move forward.
These people dont know what they did, but I do and by now you know I do so please dont make me do this.
Tic Toc
Come on, I know you are in your offices saying they are idiots too after all they let me get them. Lets be real here. LOL
Tic Toc, Man you are the man! I mean everyone else in here talks the talk but, Man, you walk the walk. Please come on out. Let us know who you are. We need you. Please don't hide behind that cape and mask any longer. It must be lonely in the Bat Cave.
where is L. Green did Fieldstone get word to him that most want him gone asap
The finance lady was on vacation for 3 weeks since July?????I was talking to a coworker today about this article.We were talking about what happens if we take vacation from our job.If we go on vacation our coworkers or bosses have to pick up the slack.The work just doesn't stop.In Mooresville I guess things like investigations just stand still if people go on vacation.Why didn't her supervisor take control of her job duties?I guess I'd rather the investigations stand still than for Erskin to be in charge of them.But why are we paying that boy so much if the town board don't even trust him enough to let him handle the audit while the othe person is on vacation???
Obviously, the accounting firm does not have a friend on the Board or Asst Manager, like Jimmy McKnight, CH Hill, or the cable folks. Otherwise, they would already have that BIG contract and no need to negotiate... the Town will pay anything and everything - condos, cowboy cookies, quarter million dollar fees for nothing!
Erskine - BTW, who paid for your golf at the last CFK golf outing... heard it was your buddy developer! not you!
To 9:48
The people of Fieldstone greatly respect Larry and want him to stay as long as possible. I know as I am one of them.
Tic Toc... Quote from you;
"BTW folks, it looks like the sheriff is in for a ride too with his DARE program. And where there are two, there are 3 and 4 and so on".
You won't get far on this one. Our Sheriff is one of the most honest and honorable peole I know. Not a blemish on his record and a leader in the war on drugs. He is an example of how every leader should lead.
He may be, but if he did what was said on this board, he is also a stealing from the dare program. And I dont need to get far with it, if he did it, the SBI and FBI will pick up where I left off, I dont need to go any further with this, it would seem you forgot the word for monday. He is toast.
Sorry if you feel that way, but your feelings do not change the fact that if he has promotional items paid for by dare with his name on them, he is guilty of a felony, NCGS 14-100, look it up cause I hope you are not a cop right now not knowing anything about that law. But please by all means, please keep trying to get him out of it. If he did it, him and Crone can have cells next door to each other.
Pick apart the law people, dont attack me, I did not do this, I told you all that. I just put it together for you. Dont kill the messanger for the message.
And by the way, I can go a lot further with him then you think I can already. I just choose to give him a chance to fix this now before it gets out of hand for him like it did for Crone.
Hey 11;45, how come you are defending Redmond but not crone or the officers under him, or how about the heads of the departments I am going to put into positions 3 and 4?
Or maybe the officers under redmond that helped him raise the money?
Or is it just Redmond that is a good man, I just want to be clear on this...in all of Iredell county the only officer you feel the need to defend is Redmond, I wonder what the rest of the officers would think about you leaving them hip deep in crap right now
Not picking on you Tic Toc, just defending a fine Christian man. Nothing personal. Everyone who really knows Phil knows he is an upstanding person.
To answer...
"Hey 11;45, how come you are defending Redmond but not crone or the officers under him, or how about the heads of the departments I am going to put into positions 3 and 4?"
Crone obviously screwed the pooch and needs to go. I don't know any of the rest of them to have a rightful say so
I am sorry and I appreciate your wanted to defend him, but the fact still remains, if he did it, then he is guilty, fine christen man and all. I am not making a judgment on what kind of man he is, I am only making a judgment on the actions of an individual. I dont know the man personally, but even if I did, that would not enter into an investigation, I told you all I dont like doing this, that I dont want to do this, but my point will be made and it will be made as loud as possible.
And, about the negative posts about our Sheriff, they are all lies. Total fabrication without backing.
We need to stick to the topic of Crone, CFK and any other inconsistancies in Mooresville. Leave Phil alone so he can continue his fight with the drug dealers and scum of Iredell County.
If he took that money, I told him what he has to do, he must pay back the money to dare from his reelection campaign. If he does I will leave him alone.
The SBI on the other hand may still charge him, I cant help that, that is not my fault either.
There is nothing else to talk about in regards to Redmond.
But I did not hear a "please" or a "I hope you" either in your statement so that text is coming across as a warning to me, or am I mis reading that. Sometimes its hard to tell what someone is saying even when their saying it, you know what I am saying?
Because warning me.....
September 4, 2008 11:45 PM wow
September 4, 2008 11:54 AM...
You hit the nail on the head. "If this were the average Joe..."
It's amazing how slow things move when it is the leadership that is being investigated for doing wrong. And you are right in saying that if it was the average Joe there would be court dates by now.
When the average Joe screws up, the administrations work fast and furiously to distance themselves. They fire them and call the press to let everyone know that they don't tolerate any BS.
When we want to distance ourselves from crooked administrations by getting rid of them, we are stuck with them because they work so hard to cover things up.
You don't normally get to the top without making alliances and promises. If you want the backing of the community powers that be you have to agree to play the game by overlooking some things and helping out with others. That is why it is so hard for an honest person to get into a top position.
I hope this investigation spreads out into whoever has made alliances with Crone. Don't think that he was operating on his own. He wouldn't have been as brazen and done the things that he has done if he didn't feel like others at the top had his back.
When you see an official vehmanently denying any wrongdoing he is actually in denial that he will be caught. He knows he's guilty, but he also knows that others have his back.
That is also why wrongdoings are so hard to make public. The puiblic is usually aware when an official is crooked, but speaking out can make your life miserable. This blog where people can speak anonomously has been great for getting information out.
Once the information was out there was a group willing to be seen and heard. 3 cheers for Jamie for being willing to stick her neck out first and making all this possible.
Thank you, September 4, 2008 11:45 PM.
I was very disturbed to see our Sheriff getting trashed on here. He is without a doubt the best Sheriff we have ever had. I don't know him personally as you seem to do, but I can read the paper and see what he is doing. A dishonest man wouldn't work as hard as he does at cleaning up the county.
I have heard that he runs his department just as straightforward. He expects his officers to be morally upright and honest. Infidelity is not tolerated and he leads by example.
From what I have heard, if Chief Crone were more like him, he would still be inplace and running an effective department with the full support of MPD Officers and the public.
I hope the Cops For Kids investigation is complete soon and we can move ahead to a new day.
Article 19.
False Pretenses and Cheats.
§ 14‑100. Obtaining property by false pretenses.
(a) If any person shall knowingly and designedly by means of any kind of false pretense whatsoever, whether the false pretense is of a past or subsisting fact or of a future fulfillment or event, obtain or attempt to obtain from any person within this State any money, goods, property, services, chose in action, or other thing of value with intent to cheat or defraud any person of such money, goods, property, services, chose in action or other thing of value, such person shall be guilty of a felony: Provided, that if, on the trial of anyone indicted for such crime, it shall be proved that he obtained the property in such manner as to amount to larceny or embezzlement, the jury shall have submitted to them such other felony proved; and no person tried for such felony shall be liable to be afterwards prosecuted for larceny or embezzlement upon the same facts: Provided, further, that it shall be sufficient in any indictment for obtaining or attempting to obtain any such money, goods, property, services, chose in action, or other thing of value by false pretenses to allege that the party accused did the act with intent to defraud, without alleging an intent to defraud any particular person, and without alleging any ownership of the money, goods, property, services, chose in action or other thing of value; and upon the trial of any such indictment, it shall not be necessary to prove either an intent to defraud any particular person or that the person to whom the false pretense was made was the person defrauded, but it shall be sufficient to allege and prove that the party accused made the false pretense charged with an intent to defraud. If the value of the money, goods, property, services, chose in action, or other thing of value is one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000) or more, a violation of this section is a Class C felony. If the value of the money, goods, property, services, chose in action, or other thing of value is less than one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000), a violation of this section is a Class H felony.
(b) Evidence of nonfulfillment of a contract obligation standing alone shall not establish the essential element of intent to defraud.
(c) For purposes of this section, "person" means person, association, consortium, corporation, body politic, partnership, or other group, entity, or organization.
N.C.G.S. § 14-100(a)(2003). Our Supreme Court has interpreted G.S. § 14-100(a) as consisting of the following elements: “'(1) a false representation of a subsisting fact or a future fulfillment or event, (2) which is calculated and intended to deceive, (3) which does in fact deceive, and (4) by which one person obtains or attempts to obtain value from another.'” State v. Parker, 354 N.C. 268, 284, 553 S.E.2d 885, 897 (2001) (quoting State v. Cronin, 299 N.C. 229, 242, 262 S.E.2d 277, 286 (1980)). The language of G.S. § 14-100(a) covers “any kind of false pretense whatsoever.” Thus, the representation which constitutes the false pretense “need not come through spoken words, but instead may be by act or conduct.” Parker, 354 N.C. at 284, 553 S.E.2d at 897
Well now, lets see if he is innocent. We will take these elements and go over them one by one.
“'(1) a false representation of a subsisting fact or a future fulfillment or event,
Lets see now, a false representation, might that be calling people or stopping by their business and telling them you need money for the DARE program to help teach and keep kids off drugs, and then turning around and using that money to by products that although have the DARE logo on them, also have the good sheriff's name on them instead of the department's name. Now that is not what he told people he would use the money for so yes that is a false representation.
Yup I would say that violates element one.
(2) which is calculated and intended to deceive,
Well I am having a hard time with this one, because was it calculated and intended to deceive. Yup it was, he told people the money would go to help keep kids off drugs and that is all it can be used for. It does not take a genius to figure out that if he ordered the products and then continued to collect money then yes it is, and that covers him on element 2
(3) which does in fact deceive,
Well people gave money and they thought it would go to help keep kids off drugs, it did not, it went to help the good sheriff's reelection campaign, that covers number 3
(4) by which one person obtains or attempts to obtain value from another.'”
Well I guess money would be a thing of value and he attempted to and did collect a lot of it. and that covers him on number 4
Look folks he is guilty and no matter whether he is a good man or not, he is going to prison. But you know as well as I do that that crappy lawyer Gary Frank does not have the balls to charge him, no matter what I say. he did not charge Crone when he needed too when all the eveidence was sitting right in front of him. Maybe Mr. Frank would be better a pumping gas then as the DA.
Is there anything anyone else wants to say to me about me going after the Sheriff? You know when I first started in on Crone, people told me he was a good man also and we all now see he is not, so while I respect your wanting to help your friend, there is no help for him, under NC GS 14-100 he is guilty right now of a Class H Felony and let me find out he ran a golf tourney to raise money and we will bump that up to a Class C for him. I doubt very seriously that you would be defending him so much if you new the whole story. I know the whole story, so unless you are going to dispute these facts then there is no reason for you all to even try to defend him. The fact of the matter is that, now the heads of two police departments in your county are going to prison over fundraising. How many more do I need to roll at your feet to get you to charge crone or to demand that he be charged.
And to the rest of you crooks hold the top cop job, if you know what is good for you, you will clean up your little neck of the woods before I get to you, because I am coming, there is nothing to stop me from taking out every single dare fundraising operation in your county and state. Or are all of you top cops to dumb to figure that out by now. If you are crooked, you will be going to jail with the rest of them until my point is made, and it is becoming obvious that my point is not made when there are still people willing to defend these people. They are felons. Nothing more and nothing less.
Now though even if you clean up your dare fundraising, I can still look at what you have done in the past and tell you exactly what you did with the money, or are there still some doubters here. Open your dare books and let me see and I promise you are all going to jail. You all did not know the laws well enough to be police fundraisers even though you know then well enough to be cops. I promise you that much and no matter who it is, if you are guilty, I will find you and send you to prison. Top Cop or Rank and File, if yo uare guilty, that badge is coming off your chest if you collected or attempted to collect ANY money for these programs, Cease and disist right now and you may be able to save yourself from me, it just depends on how I feel that day.
Its not fun to have the tables turned on you, is it guys. And to Redmond, if you did what they said on this board, and I am sure you did because of the way the info came out, then screw you too, good christen man and all. I am sure you know the prisons are filled with good christen men, you will be in good company.
And I dare you to threaten me as was tried on this board last night, because then I will at least feel better when I watch you and Crone walk hand in hand into prison. You have no jurisdiction over me and can therefore do nothing to me personally so my advise to you is to just simply, put your head between your knees and kiss you ass goodbye
So as I said before...
WHO IS NEXT???
And by the way 6:40 am, this
Infidelity is not tolerated and he leads by example
is none of his business in an officers life and if he is using that to fire officers then I will make sure he gets sued a few times too. Be careful what you say about this man when I am in the room.
Tic Toc... You said " let me find out he ran a golf tourney to raise money and we will bump that up to a Class C for him."
He did run one. I am pretty sure I recall an article in the R&L about illegal campaign funds and a golf tournament at which on duty officers were working as well as on duty officers using county vehicles to distribute election signs while on duty.
And from the Crone Fired post:
8 - What about those campaign fund raisers to Re-elect Redmond? Did you all know apparently it is ok to use county equipment (vehicles,tables,chairs,coolers, paper products, food from the jail-wait that was donated by the food service that our tax dollars pay to feed the inmates-,trailers,ice, etc.), some county employees on the clock, and inmates.
If you go after Redmond, you better be good. He is well insulated like Crone. And, his publicity stunts lead people to think that he is an upstanding person like some others on here seem to believe. You could end up getting trampled.
Bingo, we have a winner redmond, Class C felonies all around,, the golf tourney is an attempt to collect as much money as possible for fraudulent reasons. You are now a class C felon, and did you have your gun on when you raised these funds Mr. Redmond, because if you did, you get the gun charge too, that is another 5 years mandatory.
I m going to need more info, but Hey Redmond, you better start turning over those DARE books to Jaime and paying back DARE from your reelection campaign quick, your time is running out, this is going to get out of hand quick fast and in a hurry.
I tell you what, why dont you just go ahead and leave your badge at home today. I have lost respect for it, you are a CLass C felon and as with crone, you are history and all your friends can not save you now, it is too late,
And to any of those so called friends of yours, let even one of them attack me, and I will attack back with everything I got legal or otherwise to destroy them, but make no mistake the end result is that their skeltons will hit the street running.
As to whether I am good or not, I will let you be the judge, but I guess we are about to find out how good my side really is when not constrained by the law. People, do not make me go there, I am doing my best to keep this legal, but will change my tune at the drop of a hat is I am attacked over this guilty ass crooked man. Just remember that before you speak negitivly about me, I will defend myself to the fullest any way I can.
The reason for the delay in the CFK investigation is to wear down those who want answers. Let the people rant and rave and grow weary. Don't publicize any findings while the mob still has their torches lit, they might actually want justice. Wait until the torches go out and they go home. THEN you come up with watered down findings and slap someone on the wrist.
That's how it works.
The purpose of this blog is to inform, and provide the opportunity to discuss and contribute ideas relative to situations and events impacting citizens and residents of MOORESVILLE.
Some contributors have changed the emphasis, and are using it as a chat room for non-related subjects, and a means to experiment with the presentation of sub-intellectual levels of philosophy, law and the English language, without being identified.
Harold Salisbury
Covering the Political Landscape for the People of Mooresville & Southern Iredell County
Change the sub title of this blog and I will stop straying from Mooresville's problems
I respect you Mr. Salisbury so I am asking if that was directed at me, its ok if it was, I dont want to damage the board.
Tic Toc
For Mr. Salisbury:
Who is the Sheriff in your part of the county?
Has the posting of a different but related subject kept you from posts about Mooresville?
Would it not be in the best interest of all to look into allegations of wrongdoing in the top law enforcement agency in the county?
Maybe some people have to remain anonymous to keep from losing their job. The CFK deal would have NEVER happened had it not been for people to begin discussing things anonymously.
Sorry to have licked the red off your lollipop.
Im sorry 939 but that isnt true. The cfk story started breaking right here on ms gattons blog and no one had discussed it anonymously before. i mean lets give credit where credit is due. im not saying that ms gatton shouldnt look into the sherriffs department but if people want ms gatton to look into something they should be emailing her and not posting anon. if youre so afraid of losing your job it would make more sense to email ms gatton. you can take it from me that she can be trusted. her email is on the blog.
This is all well and good, but is anyone saying I am wrong about the Sheriff or Crone?
Is there not a legal route we could take that would enable us to get ahold of audit results? It seems to me that we've been waiting for some time and can not get answers for anything. (ie Golf, Library, CFC) I find the excuse of "vacation" to be inexcusable. There should be some measure of open communication from the people that work for us.
Please understand, I am completely in favor of attacking and challenging all forms of misconduct, arrogance, indifference and dishonesty (criminal inclinations are included).
My recommendation is to leave global reconstruction until local problems have been resolved. After all, the larger problems are the result of the accumulaton of unresolved small (in this case, local) problems.
The advise of 9:50 is right on target!
Harold
9:50, this is 9:39. The 9:53 comment was not mine.
You make a great point about emailing information. However even though I have heard great things about Jamie, I'm not yet comfortable emailing with an address.
Secondly, anonymous postings on here will hopefully encourage others to come forward with information that will lead to an investigation and an article about the Sheriffs Department. If it reaches that point, it won't lick the red off my lollipop to have someone make posts in response to the article, about things not directly related to the Sheriffs Office.
When it comes to bettering our local government I am all for whoever needs to speak up to speak up. If I see a post that doesn't interest me I pass it over. How difficult is that?
The people who are complaining about what issues are being discussed remind me of children playing an imaginary game and belittling another child because their imagination wandered outside the boundries of what the first child thought was acceptable. I'm waiting for someone to say they are taking their ball and going home.
We have no newspaper in this county that will print the truth if it is a touchy issue. Jamie's blog is the best thing going. With thoughtful input, this could grow into an amazing source of information that gives the citizens a voice that demands and gets change.
Don't forget that those who are interested in the Sheriffs Office are also staunch supporters of the Mooresville investigation or they wouldn't be here.
At one point there were Jamie hecklers on here who gave her and her supporters a hard time, calling them sheep. Seems to me that most of them have shut up. I suppose now that some people are trying to address an issue that doesn't interest all, we are the new heckled bunch.
That's okay, it's worth it.
TimeTraveler
My interest in the Sheriff stopped with fundraising, the chance came up to nail him to the wall and I jumped on it, now it is up to the SBI and FBI to investigate him. If they dont, I will revisit it at a later date, but I see no reason to pound it into the ground, like Crone. The Sheriff is not even in the same league as Crone in Regards to fundraisng Fraud. He probably thought he could use that money, but he cant, it is stealing, but I doubt he gets anymore then, as I am saying, pay it back, from the SBI and FBI. And I am ok with that, but right now because of 14-100, he is a felon.
Enough said.
timetraveler, i understand exactly where youre coming from. i am one of ms gattons sources and have been for some time. i might post anon here but she knows who i am and i dont post any tips here.i have talked to her many times since she was at the tribune. its not fair for us to post anon tips on the blog because we have to much to lose but then expect ms gatton to go out and fight our battle with her name all over it like she has nothing to lose. we dont have the courage but we expect her to have it. yeh ms gatton go out and fight the guys with guns. but hey dont look to me for help or support because i might lose my job. weve all seen what kind of work she does. whats not to trust? sorry for the soapbox.
The Gatton Report also has a mailing address:
The Gatton Report
P.O. Box 111
Mt. Mourne, N.C.
28123
Please, anyone, feel free to send her any information/tips.
.........and you can always make up an e-mail address from a free e-mail account like hotmail or yahoo or gmail. Jamie will open them and respond.......you can take it from me.
I have been reading this blog since the Cops 4 Kids story broke and have found it fascinating. Many have valid points and I can fully understand the vigor that you feel in the pursuit of justice and accountability.
when the account is advertised and represented to be a public charity and it defrauds people under the town name, we have a right to be involved. get a grip,Tic Toc. We were ripped off.
sept 4th,
actually there IS a sleazy telemarketing firm over on church street that has crappy desks and they call the shriners and amvets in texas for ad dollars. if you can't be a sleazeball salesman and"jack" with people as Rodny Page puts it, you're out.They also advertise 13.00 dollars an hour in the paper and I know for a fact they've never paid it.Liars. How is this any better??
all I've seen from the series of people posing as tic toc are idle threats. you need to be careful with bullying posters ol boy, there are laws againest that also.stop moving the deadline up and just DO SOMETHING for pete's sake. I'm tired of listening to the threats.
10:53,
I know you got ripped off, but that does not mean the rest of the laws dont apply, go back and read all my post and then you will know what is going on. So please dont tell me to get a grip when I have a very firm grip on what is going on, and the laws involved, so my suggestion is or you to educate yourself before you call me out again.
The town has no right to delve into the private business account of John Crone, unless you want them to be allowed into your private accounts.
It ain't your blog, Harold. I don't see Jamie setting rules other than telling the truth and being civil, responsible so butt out.
So change the channel
11;59,
It is a shame you cant see everything I am doing, you would be smiling LOL
BTW, you have no rights or have I not said that before, they were taken from you when you were not looking, so just sit back and grab a beer while I fix this crap for you.
10:59, I am all ears, tell me more, I know Amvets and the shriners fundraising and they are both fraud. So tell me more about this office. We can take them out quick
11:09, if that was directed at me, all I can say is Use them against me or shut the hell up, and dont call me old boy
Who ever Rodney Page is, tell him I said pack his crap up and get out of town, he is a fraud and he is ripping you people off, tell him also, that I am coming for him next. He needs to shut down right now and not make one more call. I know what he is doing, he is no match for me, tell him I said, it is time to play a game. This one is called Rodney becomes the prison bi@@@.
Might want to tell that to these people too
Fundraising Pros
319 Rolling Hill Rd # B
Mooresville, NC 28117,
704-663-0963
Give them a call, people of mooresville, and tell them what you think of them.
Hey Mooresville cops, go bust both of these peoples offices, get a warrant and raid the place and get their lists of names, you will find tons of fraud and if you are lucky, you will get 20 or 30 people in the act of fraud.
Do not play with these people cops they CAN be very dangerous, just letting you know ahead of time. This is what you have a SWAT team for.
Then once you have done that, show me their paperwork and I will tell you what they did.
This is for real cops, go do your jobs. 14-100 applies to every single person in those offices.
Welcome to the game you guys, your a little late, but we can make room at the county jail for you.
I want to see 50,000 dollar bonds on all of them. Freeze their bank accounts as well before they can drain the money out. Because that will be the first thing they do.
Someone else help out and post the address of these thieves on church street.
If you cops have any questions, just ask.
Just in case you think I am kidding about these people, read this
'An Intolerable Fraud'
Money-grubbing veterans charities need better oversight.
Sunday, December 16, 2007; Page B06
ORGANIZATIONS that cynically exploit America's best impulses to help its wounded veterans give a perverse new meaning to the notion that charity begins at home.
Troubling activities by some of the nation's largest veterans charities were revealed by a watchdog group and were spotlighted Thursday in a congressional hearing. The American Institute of Philanthropy studied 29 groups and found 20 guilty of such shoddy practices as high overhead costs, high-priced solicitations and big salaries to leaders. Even well-established groups such as the Disabled Veterans Association, AMVETS National Service Foundation and the Military Order of the Purple Heart Service Foundation got F's on the institute's report card. Help Hospitalized Veterans, The Post's Philip Rucker reported, paid its founder and wife a combined $540,000 in compensation and benefits. That some groups spend as much as 91 cents of every dollar raised on fundraising is, as Rep. Henry A. Waxman (D-Calif.) said, "an intolerable fraud."
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How intolerable was revealed in the searing testimony of Edgar Edmundson, whose son Eric suffered serious brain injuries while serving in the Army in Iraq. The family has been fortunate to be helped by an honorable charity. But the father is enraged that veterans like his son are being used as a commodities by opportunistic fundraisers. Then, too, good charities -- the Wounded Warrior Project in the Edmundsons' case -- stand to be hurt if the backlash caused by these outrages curtails public generosity.
Action is needed to ensure that money raised in the name of wounded veterans actually benefits them. Pennsylvania has pioneered in cracking down on suspect groups, and other states should follow its lead. States need to share information so that a charlatan charity chased out of one state cannot easily set up shop elsewhere.
Better federal oversight is needed too. Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), long concerned about the dubious practices of charities, rightly notes that these groups receive billions each year in tax breaks. The Internal Revenue Service needs to toughen its guidelines and its enforcement. At the very least, charities should be required to give a good, public accounting of how much of each dollar actually benefits the ostensible beneficiaries. As Congress studies what laws are needed, it also should clean up the government's house. The Combined Federal Campaign, which raises tens of millions of dollars from federal workers, should require any charity receiving those funds to meet high standards.
Hey Harold, speak of investigating 'arrogance', better start on yourself.
I apologize for the long posts but I beleive the people of Mooresville and Iredell County need this information.
I want you to know and see what I know and see in the people we are talking about. After you read this, start to look at the things john crone and the sheriff have been up too, you will know, as I do, they are both crooked.
This is part of the concept of The Fraud Diamond. It was written by these two people and I am sure they know what they are talking about.
A Different Way to Think About Fraud Risks
The authors believe that the fraud triangle could be enhanced to David T. Wolfe, CPA, is the founder of Glasgow Forensic Group, a forensic accounting firm in Atlanta, Ga., and has served a variety of clients, including top-tier law firms, government agencies, privately held small to mid-sized businesses, and Fortune 500 companies.
Dana R. Hermanson, PhD, is a professor of accounting in the Coles College of Business at Kennesaw State University and currently serves as a research fellow of the Corporate Governance Center at the University of Tennessee.both fraud prevention and detection by considering a fourth element. In addition to addressing incentive, opportunity, and rationalization, the authors’ four-sided “fraud diamond” also considers an individual’s capability: personal traits and abilities that play a major role in whether fraud may actually occur even with the presence of the other three elements.
Many frauds, especially some of the multibillion-dollar ones, would not have occurred without the right person with the right capabilities in place. Opportunity opens the doorway to fraud, and incentive and rationalization can draw the person toward it. But the person must have the capability to recognize the open doorway as an opportunity and to take advantage of it by walking through, not just once, but time and time again. Accordingly, the critical question is, “Who could turn an opportunity for fraud into reality?”
Using the four-element fraud diamond, a fraudster’s thought process might proceed as follows (Exhibit 1):
Incentive: I want to, or have a need to, commit fraud.
Opportunity: There is a weakness in the system that the right person could exploit. Fraud is possible.
Rationalization: I have convinced myself that this fraudulent behavior is worth the risks.
Capability: I have the necessary traits and abilities to be the right person to pull it off. I have recognized this particular fraud opportunity and can turn it into reality.
While these four elements certainly overlap, the primary contribution of the fraud diamond is that the capabilities to commit fraud are explicitly and separately considered in the assessment of fraud risk. By doing so, the fraud diamond moves beyond viewing fraud opportunity largely in terms of environmental or situational factors, as has been the practice under current and previous auditing standards.
For example, consider a company where the internal controls allow the possibility that revenues could be recorded prematurely by altering sales contract dates in the sales system. An opportunity for fraud exists, if the right person is in place to understand and exploit it. This opportunity for fraud becomes a much more serious problem if the company’s CEO, who is under intense pressure to increase sales, has the technical skills to understand that the control weakness exists, can coerce the CFO and sales manager to manipulate the sales contract dates, and can consistently lie to analysts and board members about the company’s growth. In the absence of such a CEO, the fraud possibility would never become reality, despite the presence of the elements of the fraud triangle. Thus, the CEO’s capabilities are a major factor in determining whether this control weakness will ultimately lead to fraud.
The Person with Capability
Based on one author’s experiences in investigating frauds for the past 15 years, there are several essential traits for committing fraud, especially for large sums or for a long period of time (Exhibit 2). First, the person’s position or function within the organization may furnish the ability to create or exploit an opportunity for fraud not available to others. For example, a CEO or divisional president has the positional authority to influence when contracts or deals take effect, thus affecting the timing of revenue or expense recognition. Fraudulent Financial Reporting: 1987–1997, An Analysis of U.S. Public Companies (Beasley et al., 1999) found that corporate CEOs were implicated in over 70% of public-company accounting frauds, indicating that many organizations do not implement sufficient checks and balances to mitigate the CEO’s capabilities to influence and perpetuate fraud. Additionally, when people perform a certain function repeatedly, such as bank reconciliations or setting up new vendor accounts, their capability to commit fraud increases as their knowledge of the function’s processes and controls expands over time.
Second, the right person for a fraud is smart enough to understand and exploit internal control weaknesses and to use position, function, or authorized access to the greatest advantage. Many of today’s largest frauds are committed by intelligent, experienced, creative people, with a solid grasp of company controls and vulnerabilities. This knowledge is used to leverage the person’s responsibility over or authorized access to systems or assets. According to the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, 51% of the perpetrators of occupational fraud had at least a bachelor’s degree, and 49% of the fraudsters were over 40 years old. In addition, 46% of the frauds the Association recently studied were committed by managers or executives.
Third, the right person has a strong ego and great confidence that he will not be detected, or the person believes that he could easily talk himself out of trouble if caught. Such confidence or arrogance can affect one’s cost-benefit analysis of engaging in fraud; the more confident the person, the lower the estimated cost of fraud will be. In “The Human Face of Fraud” (CA Magazine, May 2003), R. Allan notes that one of the common personality types among fraudsters is the “egotist”—someone who is “driven to succeed at all costs, self-absorbed, self-confident and narcissistic.” Similarly, Duffield and Grabosky (“The Psychology of Fraud,” Trends & Issues in Crime and Criminal Justice, March 2001) note that, in addition to financial strain, “Another aspect of motivation that may apply to some or all types of fraud is ego/power.” The authors go on to quote Stotland (“White Collar Criminals,” Journal of Social Issues, 1977) regarding ego: “As [fraudsters] found themselves successful at this crime, they began to gain some secondary delight in the knowledge that they are fooling the world, that they are showing their superiority to others.”
Fourth, a successful fraudster can coerce others to commit or conceal fraud. A person with a very persuasive personality may be able to convince others to go along with a fraud or to simply look the other way. In addition, Allan notes that a common personality type among fraudsters is the “bully,” who “makes unusual and significant demands of those who work for him or her, cultivates fear rather than respect … and consequently avoids being subject to the same rules and procedures as others.” Many financial reporting frauds are committed by subordinates reacting to an edict from above to “make your numbers at all costs, or else.”
Fifth, a successful fraudster lies effectively and consistently. To avoid detection, she must look auditors, investors, and others right in the eye and lie convincingly. She also possesses the skill to keep track of the lies, so that the overall story remains consistent. In the Phar-Mor fraud, the auditors claimed that Phar-Mor had formed a “fraud team” of executives and former auditors who “continually worked to hide evidence” about the fraud from them. The auditors claimed that the fraud team “lied, forged documents and ‘scrubbed’ everything the auditors saw to hide any indications of malfeasance.” (See “Finding Auditors Liable for Fraud: What the Jury Heard in the Phar-Mor Case,” Cottrell and Glover, The CPA Journal, July 1997.)
Finally, a successful fraudster deals very well with stress. Committing a fraud and managing the fraud over a long period of time can be extremely stressful. There is the risk of detection, with its personal ramifications, as well as the constant need to conceal the fraud on a daily basis. Former HealthSouth CEO Richard Scrushy now faces numerous criminal charges for allegedly masterminding a long-running scheme to inflate the company’s earnings during the terms of several different CFOs. Despite the enormous pressure on him, Scrushy has remained resolute during the course of the investigation, even appearing on 60 Minutes to proclaim his innocence. In contrast, during his sentencing, former HealthSouth Assistant Controller Emery Harris, who allegedly was coerced to participate in the fraud, told the judge how relieved he was after the company was raided by federal agents, thinking it provided him the opportunity to finally “get out of this mess.
Written by these two people.
David T. Wolfe, CPA, is the founder of Glasgow Forensic Group, a forensic accounting firm in Atlanta, Ga., and has served a variety of clients, including top-tier law firms, government agencies, privately held small to mid-sized businesses, and Fortune 500 companies.
Dana R. Hermanson, PhD, is a professor of accounting in the Coles College of Business at Kennesaw State University and currently serves as a research fellow of the Corporate Governance Center at the University of Tennessee.
9:14 - you could have saved a lot of time and just gave us the URL from which the copy/paste came from.
I did not want people to just blindly believe or discount what I say without reading it, but you are right because if you want more, here is the URL
http://www.nysscpa.org/cpajournal/2004/1204/essentials/p38.htm
9:07 - After having read your comments and recommendation, I understand your decision to be anonymous.
Since you focused your remarks solely against me, there is no way you chose anonymity to protect your job. You must, therefore, be embarrased, or ashamed!
Harold
While I fully support the efforts to eliminate the criminal element in all of our communities it seems that since the enviornment is so target rich there must be a priority given to those that are most impacting our citizens. While fund-raising frauds are important it seems that other things are more important. I do not think that Chief Crone will ever face a criminal charge of Obtaining Property by False Pretense as it relates to the CFK activities. If there are charges I think it will be related to the funds from the evidence room. Just my opinion.
Jamie
Is there any way that you can take the big picture of Rader off of the page. It almost makes you sick for the first thing you see is his ugly damn picture when you get on line to read the blog.
Please take it off!!!!
Thanks
This comes straight from the Iredel County DARE website.
Take notice of that last sentence, does that say we are going to use your money to buy "trinkets" with the Shariff's name on them to help support his reelection campaign.
No...No... I dont think it does.
Class H felonies right from your own website.
Now that is D.U.M.B.
D.A.R.E. is not going to like that, are they Sheriff.
You and I both know that you have a problem right now, a big, large, huge, gigantic problem. And you are not going to be able to squirm out of it so easy either.
Iredell County Sheriff’s Office D.A.R.E. and G.R.E.A.T. programs reach thousands of students every year. We have proudly utilized this outstanding program for over 20 years. Each year we have fund raising events to fund the Iredell County Sheriff’s Office D.A.R.E. Leadership camps for at-risk and leadership team building. The camps are in conjunction with the Iredell County Parks and Recreation Department.
But this whole next line is not really true either now is it Sheriff. I could swear that says that "ALL" the money raised will go toward our PROGRAMS.
Is that what that says Sheriff, because if it does, did all the money actually go to support the program, or did you use some on paying for that golf tourney, or those promotional items with your name on them, it also must mean those DARE shirts and crap were donated as well. I guess you had no overhead whatsoever, no expenses anything else, not one dollar in administrative expenses or any kind of fee associated with the running of the program.
Or is that just a LIE on your website Sheriff.
All the money raised will stay in Iredell County and be used for our programs.
Please support Iredell County D.A.R.E. Cares, Inc. P.O. Box 287 Statesville, N C 28687. All the money raised will stay in Iredell County and be used for our programs.
You better get yourself a lawyer quick, you have violated 14-100 many, many times. That is just a little friendly advice from me to you. Now dont be indignant, you saw what happened when Crone and Rader opened their mouths. They got caught lying, I would not want that to happen to you twice in one day.
I just call them like I see them.
Harold;
I need to clear the air here. I noticed that my comments were getting followed by other comments that I did not post that would appear that I did. (Probably an easier way to have said that).
Anyway, I did say that I needed to remain anonymous to protect my job, but I have not made the harsh comments that were directed at you. I made the decision yesterday that I needed a screen name to go with my posts as I didn't want to be associated with some of the name calling and unneeded harshness that has materialized on here. I made my next post with the screen name Time Traveler and will continue to use that with all posts to keep my thoughts separate from others.
Time Traveler
From Harold...
9:07 - After having read your comments and recommendation, I understand your decision to be anonymous.
Since you focused your remarks solely against me, there is no way you chose anonymity to protect your job. You must, therefore, be embarrased, or ashamed!
Harold
While I'm on here...
I agree wholeheartedly with 10:24that Radar's mug is not very photogenic and is an irritaion when opening the page.
And, the fundraising facts probably should not be the center of focus here. What Redmond is doing with the DARE money, while misleading, is probably not illegal. There are plenty of issues to cover (or uncover) without being petty.
And last, we are all here for the same purpose with the same goal of setting things right. Different views, different personalities, but the same goals. Firm stances have their place here, but there is no need for excessive harshness.
Time Traveler
What Redmond is doing is NOT LEGAL, Why in the gads name do you think what he is doing is legal?
Have you read anything I have posted, please stop generally saying what he is doing is legal if you are not prepared to back up your remarks with facts.
Like thunberg siad, we will follow the facts where ever they may lead.
That is all I am doing, and you want to resist going there for some reason.
Some one, any one, please prove me wrong, hell prove anything I have said in regards to the law wrong.
Provide me facts to change my facts, until then, they are guilty, they are all guilty and they will all be found guilty and some will go to prison for the rest of their lives and some will get probation, but make no mistake, they are all going to prison, including the sheriff and any deputy that picked up the cash or checks. That is how that law works, at least get a good understanding of it before you question mine.
But you are entitled to your opinion so I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
And why should fundraising not be the center of focus?
This whole thing is about fundraising fraud. Why you think the evidence room is the big thing I have no idea unless you are trying to blunt the blow to Crone and Company. The evidence room although serious is not even the same sport as the fundraising.
Provide me facts to dispute my facts.
No one else cares about figuring out a lawsuit for every name that comes across this board. Have you ever heard the one about the little boy who cried wolf or what about chicken little?
You do know that those are both "FANTASY" right?
Real life is happening here, lets not try to mix the two up.
Rodney Page lives in Hickory and works over on Church Street in offices I believe are owned by ToM.They have an ad in the Tribune every other week for direct slaes in inside advertising. It says military experience helpful. That's because they want to use the sympathy card to play on vets to buy space in their newsletter.If you are at E. Iredell and Church intersection, go south on church. Group of offices that used to be Chemspun theirs is the second door from the rescue squad.Their "office girl" Mercedes can help you out.
I've known Crone for many many years and he is not a criminal. He has been a good cop all his life, but just not too good at business obviously. He never set out to defraud anyone. He merely set out to do something good for kids and take them to places they would likely never see otherwise.
He is clearly a scapegoat for a Town very much in trouble for not keeping tabs on all the programs. Where were all of you when the program started? Why didn't you get involved and find out how to help? Why? Because you are lazy and care only about yourself. But, when you smell blood, you want more. It's too bad that more people don't volunteer and get involved. Maybe if someone with an accounting background had volunteered to help, they may have been able to identify the entity issues and helped them rectify it. Maybe if the town accountant and town manager had done their jobs, this never would have happened.
I guess it is easier for people to grow fangs and attack than it is for them to volunteer and help their community. Reading through these blogs, I see a core group of people who are really good at spin and getting everyone riled up. I'm especially shocked by this guy the reverend. If he knows Crone, then he knows his heart and where his soul is. It's not what all of this is painting it to be.
You should be proud.
hey tic toc- Rodney page
704-662-0002
I DO volunteer Bob Bob. I spent 821 hours last year volunteering for my cause making me the person with the highest # of hours in our state of N.C. and the fifth highest in the entire USA in my organization. He deserves what he's going to get.
Hey 7:02, why does he deserve what he is going to get? Let me ask you a question... If he was trying to steal or defraud, why wouldn't he get everything set up properly from the beginning? Crone knows about being a cop and investigations. He would know that he would need to cover his butt and need a paper trail to cover anything he was doing. It would not have been difficult.
The thing is that he never knew that any of the corporate issues were issues and he was simply trying to do something good. He is not an arrogant person or one that feels he is above the law. I know this from personal experience.
Whatever the authorities find, I guarantee that it will not be a fraudulent scheme. He will own up to whatever they do find wrong. But it was never anything like it has been painted here by so many people who never knew him.
Quite frankly, my view of human behavior has been rocked by the goings on on this blog.
Anyone in Law Enforcement knows that you don't have, let alone take over $300 in "loose change". Anything in the evidence room is evidence from some alledged criminal action.
First of all it is inexcusable that there would be that much loose change. Secondly the court has to decide how evidence is disposed of. You don't just say "Hey this is cool, I think I'll take this." There are forms to fill out and a process to go through. The department is only as professional as the leadership.
Further more, his buddies protected him and stood by him as long as they could. Something was found that sealed his fate. He ran to resign. An innocent man wouldn't run to resign, he would fight to the end to prove his innocence, keep his career and clear his good name.
Instead he tried to dive out and got fired. His buddies couldn't even accept his resignation because of whatever has transpired that we don't yet know about.
Enough said...
Time Traveler
The way to restore our trust is to act with truth and acountability not throw"hefty, hefty" amounts of money away. That's what got you Einsteins into this situation to begin with.
well bob, I'll concede that ToM never should have allowed this to go on. It troubles me greatly that it took a brilliant reporter to uncover something we should have been on top of. What woories me more is how much else is floating around out there in fiscal land?
I'm not sure why he flubbed up, or why the attorney who volunteered his services didn't come through. I do know many of the officers who were fired(not Matt)for what I consider knee-jerk reactions on his part. He is lacking in people skills, but these issues aren't the source of possible prosecution. I will say I do not believe Crone should be held accountable alone for this. I think others at the top need to go down too. He deserves a fair trial if it comes to that. I don't know his heart, but I have a hard time believing eh didn't know the diffrence between needy children and the offspring of town officials.
Time Traveler,
I can't explain to you why he resigned. But I can tell you that he probably saw it as a way to allow the Town to move forward and stop this major distraction. Who's saying that he is not fighting to prove his innocence anyways? His career has been long and distinguished, so I think that he probably felt like it was time to move on after something like this.
Look, I will tell you that if I did not know him and only heard what was reported by this "intrepid" reporter, I would be mad too. But, the nastiness coming from people who don't know the man is really disheartening. Crone never defrauded anyone. He never hurt anyone. He only tried to help kids. I have been told over and over again by many of my friends that no good deed ever goes unpunished. I have seen that as so in so many cases and it really bothers me. The case with this Reverend coming on this site with his comments also deeply disturbs me.
It's OK to want answers and to demand truth. It's not OK to disparage a man and by extension, his family, without all the facts. I guess that's why we have a court and legal system, right?
Many of you on here believe that you should take matters into your own hands. I have rarely seen such vigilante-ism in my life. Before you go to church tomorrow (I assume you do), try reading some of these posts. Better yet, print them out and bring them with you. Ask your preacher to read them aloud. How do you feel?
Well 7:02, you do seem like a reasonable person. I do know his heart and also know that he truly believes that he was helping kids.
It sounds like his accounting issues will not turn up a single fraudulent thing. His character and morals are far too high for that. I can vouch for that. But, an investigation and higher courts will decide that for sure.
I also am not saying it was not his fault and blaming the Town for it. I'm saying that his supervisors knew about this for years and years and should have had a process in place for oversight. Crone most likely started it the way he did because he knew it would not happen otherwise. Unfortunately, that was a mistake.
As far as the web page, Crone said he never authorized a web page on the Town site. I would say that they need to uncover whomever emailed the IT department asking for the page to go up on the site. That can't be hard to do. The IT department surely would keep records of all such requests. That is their job.
My point is that these things are never black and white and you are only seeing one side of the story.
Why doesn't someone do something positive for a change? Maybe our "intrepid" reporter would sleep better at night if she tried to do something positive like restore the Cops for Kids program. Why doesn't she write an article suggesting that a board of citizens be formed that would choose the kids who receive the benefits? Perhaps nastiness reigns supreme instead?
It sure would be nice if something good comes out of all this. Has anyone at all even thought of restoring the program that was toppled by this reporter?
I see alot of back and forth on this blog regarding the ex-chief of police, the sheriff, money raising, etc...but we need to get on track and tackle one problem at a time. Finish the investigation of John Crone. Find out who still at the police dept has been part of the problem. What about the idiot Captain Blocker, has anyone ever heard him speak??? He dosent have a clue. He bragged about riding the coat tails to the top and now you guys say he wants to be sheriff. Give me a break! Look into him. How about the others at the TOP at MPD? All those who knew only Crone had the power with the CFK check book. Are they not just as quilty? How can they still be allowed to work there?
What about Erskin, he knew all along. Lets walk on the town hall again and demand that he be released of his duties.
Frank Rader is just plain stupid. His days are numbered in public office, he will hang himself soon enough.
Bob,
You as well sound like a reasonable person. And, I admire your compassion. Justice does not come about as a result of anger or hatred.
Having said that, I have to ask if you know Jamie personally? Do you know her heart as you asked others about Crone?
You don't seem to mind belittling her by accusing her of detroying the CFK program. Crone was at the helm when it hit the rocks, not Jamie.
According to you, she is so bothered by her actions that she can't sleep at night. Has she told you this or have you convicted her on what you have heard? Have you talked to her and gotten her side or determined the motivation and intentions behind her actions?
Possibly you need to have YOUR preacher read YOUR posts at your church in the morning.
As far as your suggestion that she do something positive, what she has done is the first step in that direction. For something positive to happen sometimes a problem has to be identified. So far, Crone and all the upper management involved seem to be in denial that there is a problem.
As far as hearing both sides of the story, Crone can contact the R&L, The Tribune, WSOC, even hire a sky writing plane if he so desires to tell whatever he wants to tell.
If I was accused of something I didn't do, don't think I wouldn't be proclaiming my innocence from on top of the town clock. I would be directly in the face of whoever started the accusations. But, that's me. Some people choose to and hide. But don't say that we have only heard one side of the story. The last comment I heard from Crone was on WBTV and he was stuttering like Porky Pig. If he's too nervous from all of the "false accusations" to talk, I'm sure the R&L, Tribune and the Charlotte Observer would be glad to print an article written by him.
I don't think attacking Jamie over her "intrepid" reporting is going to win your case about how others should be kind to Crone. Who, by the way was short on kindness to those who worked under him, did a great job but refused to kiss his behind.
I believe as well that you are overlooking the fact that none of Jamie's comments have been "nasty" as you say. Unless you consider the fact to be nast. There are some posts on here that have gotten out of line, but none were hers.
Step back, take a deep breath and look at the big picture. I do thank you for your effort in making well thought out posts. While I dissagree with some of the content, you obviously had great intentions.
Time Traveler
Time Traveler,
Jeez good point. I don't know Jaime and you are right. I attributed nasty comments to her, that were not identified as her. For that I apologize.
As for Crone stuttering like Porky Pig. Put yourself in his shoes. He is a good man. Good men don't take well to persecution. Imagine if this was you that was strung up to dry. As far as him contacting the press and showing proof of his innocence goes, I can tell you that is not the way it works. Any lawyer would tell you that. If you did that, the lawyer would drop you like a hot potato, because that would ruin the court case.
But, enough about that. I'm here to tell you, and perhaps I have been successful. Crone is a good man. he did not defraud anyone. He did not mean to hurt anyone. If he broke the law, he will be the first one to tell you that he must face the consequences. He is not in denial of doing anything wrong. He has admitted his lack of record keeping. Fortunately, auditors can piece things back together for him.
As far as those who have been fired who worked under him, well, that's another matter. No police chief is safe from retribution. Police Departments are havens of Alpha males. Tick one off and watch out. With dozens of active officers under him at any time over the past 10 years, you better believe that there have been some who have been fired. Do you think any of them just let it go, or do you think they hold a grudge?
Difference is, Crone won't hold a grudge against those who caused this. He is not like that. He'll just move on. In the meantime, all those that have been let go over the years are relishing in retribution. Just look at the "alpha" male like posts on this site. Coincidence? Not at all.
So, to Jaime, I apologize if I attributed nasty posts to you. I'm sure you are used to it, with this site being yours.
You sound like a pretty good guy Bob. Welcome aboard.
Time traveler
Bob, it sounds as if your relationship to Mr. Crone may cloud your ability to clearly see the facts which have been outlined in various public forums. At the very least, CFK shows an inability for Mr. Crone to adequately manage the organization. With a high turnover rate, it's fairly obvious he cannot manage the department.
I have met Mr. Crone on one occassion and was not convinced that his motives were pure and honorable.
One cannot advertise an organization as serving the needy while using the funds to send kids on trips. Were those trips educational? Yes, but was that what the money was supposed to be going towards.
Go to church tomorrow and your preacher stands up and says that they've decided to divert the construction funds to the pastor's salary. I wonder how the church would react over that.
9:37
Good men don't take well to persecution.
Maybe you are getting it after all.
Funny you should say that.
Tic Toc
Thomas O'Brien, the U.S. Attorney for California's Central District
"I think in certain situations we could be a lot more surgical in our approach to the investigation and the prosecution," O'Brien said. Prosecutors should move to indict on fewer charges as soon as they had evidence to support them, he said.
Funny you should say this too,
"Imagine if this was you that was strung up to dry"
No imagine if it is ME!
Tic Toc
In response to 8:02's message:
You are concerned that this whole thing will head a different direction and some people that should be caught up in the investigation will not. I'm sure the findings will implicate anyone who was involved.
I'm also sure there have been some back room meetings between any guilty persons. Crone won't go alone. He will try to drag people in to back him up. If he doesn't succeed, he will pull a Jimmy Swaggart, "Forgive me for what I have done, I have sinned" act, and come clean with investigators about what others have done in an effort to save himself. Get you another cup of coffee and let me explain how it works...
Sadly, people in law enforcement learn quickly that it is a cut throat business if you want to get to the top. If you are content to start on the bottom and stay on the bottom, no problem. If you want to rise and survive, you have to take notes.
You need to keep a record of dates and times that you saw anyone screwing up or doing anything immoral or illegal. Sooner or later someone will come after you and that is when you pull out your little black book and say, "Remember when you did this? Screw with me and see what happens." It's the grown up version of, if you tell on me, I'll tell on you. (We basically have a bunch of children in adult bodies running everything)
When something like this CFK hits, everybody has their notebook out and you can be sure that Crone is waving his around like a get out of jail free card. Problem is, this ain't Monopoly and he landed on the real do not pass go, do not collect $200 space.
Now others have to wave their book around and threaten to expose some other things about him. (The goings on over the years go way deeper than the CFK investigation.)
Those who have been on the inside for a long time and have knowledge of what has gone on know that CFK is only the tip of the iceburg.
Crone and Redmond defenders are not aware of many other things that have transpired over the years. Things that are common knowledge, yet as of yet unprovable because of the lack of concrete evidence. All the general public sees is the publicity generated through the local press. It's all smoke and mirrors and they both put David Copperfield to shame. You see the "good" that they do, but remember, even the Hell's Angels have a toy run.
The reason that information is leaking out is that both have mis-managed and abused employees for so long. They also have used people and thrown them to the side when done. Sooner or later the people cast to the side outnumber the people still on the inside. That's when the torches get lit. Now it goes from "It's good to be the King", to "Here, hold this crown, it's not mine. If you need me, I'll be in the escape tunnel".
A large portion of our government officials became unaccountable to us a long time ago. The average citizen ceased to monitor their actions and ceased to care. Thanks to the general public's apathy, our public servants have become self-serving dictators.
Those people serving under these dictators are tempted to go along with the leadership so they can reap the benefits of the current kingdom. They also think it gives them security. However, as with any self centered King, you piss them off and it's "Off with their head!"
When this happens, those in the kingdom who have been doing their job and minding their own business secretly dance with glee.
The current administrations and heads of government have boldly operated outside of what is legally and morally right with no regard for the welfare or opinions of the people they represent.
The reason they are able to do this is the apathy of the public and the fact that the crooks have learned to stick together better than the good guys. Look at the small group on this board fighting to make things right and then look at the fighting that has transpired between those on the board.
Unity among those who believe in what is right is the ONLY thing that will fix what is wrong in our government. Just as the leaders are celf-centered, so is the general public who doesn't want to take time to make things right. Those who do care are outnumbered and scared to speak up.
Here's a thought from the good book...
Psalms 12:
Lord! Help! Godly men are fast dissapearing. Where in all the world can dependable men be found? Everyone decieves and flatters and lies. There is no sincerity left.
But the Lord will not deal gently with peole like that; he will destroy those proud liars who say, "We will lie to our hearts content. Ou lips are our own; who can stop us?"
The Lord replies, "I will rescue them as they have longed for me to do." The Lord's promise is sure. He speaks no careless word; all he say's is purest truth, like silver seven times refined. O Lord, we know that you will preserve your own from the reach of evil men, although they prowl on every side and vileness is praised thoughout the land. Amen
David jumped on Goliath when an entire army was afraid of him. Goliath went down into the valley and taunted them every day. David, knowing he was in the right and knowing God was on his side, finally decided he had enough of his mouth and took him out. I'm glad to say that we have some Davids among us that are willing to step up.
Even those of us posting anonymously on here know that the current powers that be have a large support group and a lot to lose. Hacking into a website to get IP addresses is not an impossible feat. So, before you belittle those who post anonymously, keep in mind that some of us have a better knowledge of how deep the corruption runs.
Let me say this ahead of time... Anyone who feels that relative scripture doesn't belong on this site would also support the removal of prayer from school, In God We Trust from our currency and the Ten Commandments from the courthouse. Christian righteousness can make things right, self-righteousness will backfire everytime. Things can be made right, but not under our power. We can only serve as the deliverer of the message just like David delivered the stone.
That will conclude my Sunday morning message for the week. Ya'll have a good day.
Time Traveler
Tic Toc, I am guessing here that you are an officer scorned? I have not read all of the posts, so if this is widely known, just excuse me.
Tic Toc, what exactly can you do about all of this?
Time Traveler,
Your paranoia runs deep. Again, rumors fly about every law enforcement manager. Officers do not like management that reigns them in..... not at all. Again, you have dozens and dozens of Alpha males who don't like to be told what or what not to do. By nature, managing a group like this is not easy and you pick up enemies along the way. It's easy to see that this site is being led by those very alpha males who were picked up as enemies along the way.
I've seen politically charged blogs before about government corruption. None are as nasty as those associated with a police chief, an d for good reason. Those alpha males are involved. The deep rooted hatred betrays the true nature of the people involved in these posts. This is personal. This is a vendetta.
Take a look around at other politically involved blogs in other towns or parts of the country. You will see what I mean. Either people in Mooresville are extremely nasty human beings (I know that's not the case) or this is extremely personal and spiteful.
It's the latter and apparently even the author of this blog has been accused of having a very very tight connection with the officer who was recently fired.
LOL
Tic Toc
Bob Bob:
Paranoia
Rumors
Deep rooted hatred
Vendetta
Spiteful
How in the world can you tie these words to what I posted. You are the angry, spiteful one my friend.
You accused the posters on here of Paranoia? It sounds like you KNOW what is going on and I believe you are fishing in the Gatton Report pond.
Time Traveler
9:17
No, they are not that lucky.
Tic Toc
Time Traveler, I was only accusing you of paranoia, not the other things. Those were directed at large. The paranoia refers to your comment that the corruption runs deep. You are way out on a limb on this one. People tend to make comments about a police department who has fired them or a loved one. Time Traveler, you have seemed like a reasonable person and I still think so. I just think someone is taking advantage of some of your feelings and you are allowing it to happen. You are being manipulated by a core group of people who have been after Crone for years. Somehow, I don't think you are a part of it. Just being manipulated by it. In any case, enjoy the rest of your weekend.
For Tic Toc, this is very very personal. Ask any behavioral worker and they will agree. Just take this blog to any psychology professor or professional and they will be able to build profiles on just about everyone, including me. Tic Toc is very personally motivated. It's obvious. But why? What happened to him or her? To Tic Toc, enjoy the rest of your weekend. I hope that someday and somewhere you will find some peace and joy in life. My fear for you is that you will only find that when others are hurt.
It's as obvious as the green on grass.
I said no to being a cop, and before you ask I am not a lawyer either.
But I have always said this is personal, you should read more of my posts if you want to get a handle on why I am doing this. I dont know John Crone or any of these other people either, I know their type, I have never been to Mooresville, Iredell county or anywhere near there for that matter to meet any of these people either.
Blind Friendship is not a good thing in this situation either.
The facts are still that these men are guilty, they are going to prison, no matter what you think about John Crone. But I do notice you are lobing some softballs at others as well.
But in answer to your question, this is EXTREMELY PERSONAL!! And it will not stop until John Crone and Company including Redmond and Company now, are arrested for their felony crimes and the violation of the 14th is cured. Period.
I will continue to take down more and more departments and fundraising offices until my point is heard, understood and acted upon by state and federal authorities. To date that has not happened.
All I am doing is pointing out to the people that many bank robber's is on the lose and telling the people and the cops what stones to look under to find them.
I hope that helps you get through the rest of your weekend well too.
And just so you know, I dont need talk to any of te people you refer too, the people who need to know in law enforcement have known who I am and more importantly where I am, since I got here, they know why I am doing it, so the question you should ask yourself is why are they letting me do it and not stopping me?
Because they could in a New York heartbeat. I am sure you know that too, even if you dont want to believe it.
Bob Bob
I don't allow anyone to manipulate me. That is why I have the views that I do.
As for "feelings and emotion," they have no place in trying to right a wrong. I don't concern myself with how I feel about things. I only consider what is best for everyone.
This is about bettering our government by weeding out those who are more concerned with what benefits them, then they are with what is the right thing to do.
As for being out on a limb... I am sitting in the tree looking at those who have been sitting in the shade by manipulating the system. But what I address is not what I have been told, but what I have seen while sitting on that limb.
As far as people being after Crone... what other than his own actions would cause them to want him gone and make it so easy to get him gone?
Time Traveler
I do know that they could arrest you if they wanted to, but I also know your type. Scorned because you could not get a direct job in law enforcement, so you take it out on those you perceive to be responsible for your shortcomings. As far as law enforcement not arresting you, that is pretty funny. If they thought you were a real threat, they would. Otherwise, they will continue to give you more and more rope to hang yourself with. Ever watch the movie 300? You are the hunchback with the skin disorder who was not allowed to take part in the battle.
You don't know Crone, and yet you KNOW he is guilty? That is laughable. Your true colors have come through loud and clear today. I now know your profile. You are a joke and can be dismissed.
As for Time Traveler, he/she is a good person who is understandably upset with local government that is in his/her opinion corrupt. I don't know about the rest of the Town, but Crone is not. If he has made mistakes, he will own up to them and take the consequences.
Hey Sheriff,
Dare Cares Inc., are you for real? I bet you thought you had more time till I found out about this little slush fund, huh.
My hat is off to you, I was right, you are not in the same league with Crone and Company, you are much much better then they were.
So you want to tell these folks what the deal is here or shall I, ex Sheriff Redmond?
I will give you a little taste so you dont go looking stupid.
D.A.R.E America Inc and
D.A.R.E. Cares Inc
Are not the same, but you have been telling people they are, and you have been having the money mailed to that P.O. Box on your website and having the checks made out to DARE Cares, Inc and putting that money into your own private slush fund.
Thats why you feel so free to spend that money on trinkets with your name on them any way you want, because I bet you OWN Dare Cares Inc. outright and that makes that money yours, you feel entitled to it.
I will also bet that you wont turn your records over to the county either.
I want those records Redmond, I want you to release all of them to Jaime. I want to see them, and you should know that if I get a look at them you are in big trouble. I want you to include a copy of your pitch you use to raise the money dated back from today backwards. You must have a copy, so I want to see it.
It is a drug pitch and it is in Dares name, not the name of DARE Cares Inc, you made that name up so it would sound similar (another well know thing to do in police fudraisng which constitutes fraud) to DARE and you can deposit any and all checks into your private non profits bank that are made out to DARE.
I know you did it, you know you did it, so when you release these materials, I want to see all copies of all checks that have been deposited into your slush funds account, I bet I find most if not all are made out to DARE and were meant to go to fighting to keep kids off drugs.
And your Dare Leadership Camp, you know as I do, that Dare National does not raise money for that, it is not in the manual for acceptable fundraising pitches.
BTW, when I find out that you had deputys collecting money as well, they are all getting charged with violations of a Class H felony, they are going to prison just like crones crooked cops under him that took money are.
TO the Crooked Cops and Crooked Deputys, start singing to the SBI and FBI now, while you can still save yourself.
These men don't give a damn about you, they only care about power and as Lord Acton said, Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Combined, these men hold absolute power over the people they swore to protect.
I got you ex Sheriff, your no where near as smart as you think, I want to see you talk your way out of this, I am sure it will be as entertaining as Rader and Crone trying to do the same.
You need to start flapping those lips Redmond, before I find out and post more, get your ass on TV and explain this.
Time Traveler,
I admire your convictions, but not how you target. If Crone did something wrong, then he should be gone. By all accounts, he tried to resign. I'm sure he recognizes that he broke regulations and he owns up to it. The point is the intent. I know him and the Cops for Kids program. From day one, he has tried to help kids, not himself. He is not selfish. He has been a dedicated police officer all his life. That's what he loves. I'm not saying he should get his job back.... not at all. I'm saying that he is not what you all are making him out to be. That's all. Can you accept that?
I think it is good to sit on the limbs and I applaud you for that. Again, Time Traveler, I have not noticed you being nasty, other than repeating rumors and inuendo. If it was posted here, it must be true, right? If someone was fired, it must be the manager's fault right? Do you know that when someone is fired, they don't post all the reasons why on the web? Did you ever think that the people Crone has fired over the years actually deserved it?
That's the problem with Alpha males.... it's never their fault. Crone owns up to his mistakes and accepts them. He'll move on. His enemies don't.
This is not a new story. This same story has gone on for thousands of years. Crone is not a tyrant or a despot. He is a man that did his job and did it well. He cared about his job, family and his officers. Those that take advantage or break laws were dealt with and those that were dealt with don't like it.
I have never had any desire to be in law enforcement, people shoot at them for no good reason every day, besides I have to much respect for the good ones and to much contempt for the bad.
I would rather work at a 7-11 while it is getting robbed, at least I know why the idiot is shooting me.
Go back and read some more, you are way out of your depth, but as you say, have a nice weekend.
Your true colors have come through loud and clear today.
I hope they have, its just to bad they came through to someone so color blind. Say good bye to your friend.
You say "The point is the intent."
14-100 does not care about his intent, only his actions, just like me. Its the Law, silly
Bob Bob:
I'm at peace with what I know and what I have said.
You're just drowning worms. Reel your line in and give up already.
Time traveler
perceive to be responsible for your shortcomings
First of all, none, let me repeat that so you get it, NONE of these people are responsible for anything about me, shortcomings, longcomings, sidwayscomings, or any other coming you seem to think that I have.
They are responsible for themselves and all citizens are responsible to report crime when they see it, so you are coming very close to upsetting me and it sounds like you are on the verge of attack.
Do you really want to play that game with me, because you REALLY dont know me or my type, you really should go read my posts, all of them.
Wow spirited debate and personal attacks too. I will never go to another wrestling match again, I'll just log on. The fact that the public has lost all confidence in the town government has been coming for a long time. The Knox Administration was able to run things in Mooresville for years because people were afraid to speak out for fear of retribution/retaliation. The Tribune about 2000 started to write articles, which triggered a backlash against the paper behind closed doors, but that started the change in the tide. The ToM has had many scandals exposed by the Tribune,(thanks to Jamie and Michael), which were of their own making; the two reporters just found them and published them for the citizens to see.(Library,Golf Course,Credit Cards,CH2MHill,Cops for Kids, Mayors Youth Council) If you look at each of these, they have to do with accounting practices gone amuck. The ToM Board hired that internal auditor, under the personnel umbrella to audit the ToM, and from day 1 Rick McClean sought a ruling from the NC Atty Gen as to her status.(The Board should have hired per contract, why didn't they?) He fired her when she was instituting the paycheck pick-up to catch any "phantom" employees.(She got too close) The perception of dishonesty in this town government has been here for a long time, and every day we wait for information regarding Cops for Kids, it gets worse. As for Crone, he used to run a McDonalds, was a police chief in Newton, and in Mville for all these years with a 5 Million + budget per year, and we are expected to believe he is just a sloppy bookeeper re: Cops for Kids. This is the same guy who called the SBI, fired, and charged with a felony an evidence tech for a 4 dollar and change discrepency in the evidence room about 4 years ago. I am expected to believe that he did not know his responabilities regarding a custodial account. This is the same guy who makes sure all of his officers(50 +) are up to speed on all of their continued education regarding NC law, Breathalizer Certification, Radar Certification, etc. yet he can't make sure a "non-profit" is up to speed on accounting,Sec of State filings, etc. Please stop, my leg is getting wet and warm. I have a better one for you, you mean to tell me that Mia Setzer didn't know about the Cops for Kids? How about Erskine Smith? Mr. Smith played golf for it and since they had to discuss it prior to the Jan. budget meeting to consider placing it under the General fund, they have known for sure. OR THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN! This is all just the tip of the iceberg and boy the Board has played blind, deaf, and dumb except for a few commissioners. I bet the farm they keep stalling and pray this goes away, but it won't. I encourage all posters to continue to defend our commissioners and Crone, it makes the contrst more distinct for the citizens/voters.
What about those campaign fund raisers to Re-elect Redmond? Did you all know apparently it is ok to use county equipment (vehicles,tables,chairs,coolers, paper products, food from the jail-wait that was donated by the food service that our tax dollars pay to feed the inmates-,trailers,ice, etc.), some county employees on the clock, and inmates. Some employees volunteering their time (yeah right would you tell your boss No I won't help)to collect money, cook/serve food, and to make people happy to re-elect a good man who simply wants to make our community a better place to do business and raise a family. Little did we know the person he was talking about was himself.(he has done a good business of cash
Hey Redmond, You need to read this stuff, because you are going to love it.
Consider yourself informed that NC GS 114-15.1 was violated by you for doing this, sounds like there are enough witnesses to say you did it, so lets see what the law says about using the things you used and what you have to do about them.
You are employed by the state.
You are a Department Head
You have received information of embezzelement
You have received information about misuse of state owned property.
Looks like that says you have 3 days to report it to your immediate supervisor but I would like you to do it tomorrow.
Looks like you MUST set in motion the investigation of YOU, is that not priceless Redmond. I think that is priceless.
Once you tell your supervisor that you did this stuff, they have 10 days to to, in writing tell the Director of the SBI. You have to love the ironey of that Redmond.
You have to order your own ass to be investigated over this. I think that is great, just great!
But this Redmond, this is just the icing on the cake LOL
The employees of all State departments, agencies and institutions are hereby required to cooperate with the State Bureau of Investigation, its officers and agents, as far as may be possible, in aid of such investigation.
You must cooperate in the investigation of YOU, and if you don’t, that’s you ass. LOL
But not to worry Redmond, you have one more line of defense.
If such investigation reveals a possible violation of the criminal laws, the results thereof shall be reported by the State Bureau of Investigation to the district attorney of any district if the same concerns persons or offenses in his district.
IT’S THE DA, GARY FRANK, who thinks no one is innocent. Frank, when this gets to you, I want to see, that is if you still have a license, I want to see you side step what I am setting in motion here.
You know, sometimes you all make my day with the stupidity.
§ 114 15.1. Department heads to report possible violations of criminal statutes involving misuse of State property to State Bureau of Investigation.
Any person employed by the State of North Carolina, its agencies or institutions, who receives any information or evidence of an attempted arson, or arson, damage of, theft from, or theft of, or embezzlement from, or embezzlement of, or misuse of, any state owned personal property, buildings or other real property, shall as soon as possible, but not later than three days from receipt of the information or evidence, report such information or evidence to his immediate supervisor, who shall in turn report such information or evidence to the head of the respective department, agency, or institution. The head of any department, agency, or institution receiving such information or evidence shall, within a reasonable time but no later than 10 days from receipt thereof, report such information in writing to the Director of the State Bureau of Investigation.
Upon receipt of notification and information as provided for in this section, the State Bureau of Investigation shall, if appropriate, conduct an investigation.
The employees of all State departments, agencies and institutions are hereby required to cooperate with the State Bureau of Investigation, its officers and agents, as far as may be possible, in aid of such investigation.
If such investigation reveals a possible violation of the criminal laws, the results thereof shall be reported by the State Bureau of Investigation to the district attorney of any district if the same concerns persons or offenses in his district. (1977, c. 763; 2003 214, s. 1(1).)
The problem is Tic Toc, you gotta prove it. I'm on your side, but I'm just saying, you gotta prove it.
No I dont, the SBI does, it says it right there, thats the best part, all anyone has to do is tell the department head (thats Redmond) and he has to tell his supervisor about it, they in turn have to tell the SBI and if there is anything to it, they must investigate it. Its not open for debate, its the law. its right there in black and white, I say it, they have to prove it, but I am not even the one saying it, the guy who posted that top paragraph is saying it, and it sounds like he knows what he is talking about, but trust me, they will find it, he is guilty as sin of so much, they will find it and so much more. LOL
Tic Toc...
Don't go lighting your celebratory cigar just yet. I don't think Redmond is going to call theSBI to investgate himslf.
Oh I am lighting it, I am litinging it alright, because based on the supporters of the Sheriff, he would never commit a crime, so he WILL report it. That is the beauty of it, he has no choice, there is not even wiggle room in that Statute to step aside, he MUST report it once he is informed of the violation.
But in truth, I know he wont do it, I just want something to come back on him down the road when he is in court for the fundraising fraud and the DA says, Mr Redmond, you would never a commit a crime would you. Well if he does not tell on him self he would, and did commit crimes in office. So his only two choices are screw yourself now or screw yourself later.
How you like that for an around the back dunk LOL
bob bob- do you have any idea how your name sounds?why don't you just use bob-could this be mr.denny? or john?
we've had to endure some who don't live here trying to run the show, then there are those who were wronged, now phantom spys.I hope a new thread comes out so the topic will change but I doubt it.the same threats have run through every thread by the same lame posters.personally,I hope Crone gets the book thrown at him.he's a heartless jerk.
You know, you really should at least have a passing knoldege of the law if you are going to be Sheriff. Take special note of this section that deals with your kind Sheriff.
Now you may be asking yourself, what did you embezzle. Well taking money raised in the Name of DARE America Inc, and converting it over to Dare Cares Inc and then using that money for political gain to the disadvantage of your opponents in violation of election laws is a violation of NC GS 14-92.
Your lucky Redmond, I can only hit you with the Class F verity of 14-92, but I am working on that.
So now you have
Many Class C Felonies on NC GS 14-100 for the number of times you ran a golf tournaments or any fund raising scheme where someone or some company, like Ping Golf, could have walked up with a 100,000 dollar check and you would have taken it.
Thousands of Class H Felonies on NC GS 14-100 for every single attempt you made to get money, whether you got the money or not.
What will amount I am sure to at least many dozens of violations of NC GS 14-92 for withdraws from the DARE Cares, Inc bank account to your benefit starting with the purchase of those trinkets with your name on them bought for political gain.
Read this Redmond, it was written just for you.
“If any clerk of the superior court or any sheriff, treasurer, register of deeds or other public officer of any county, unit or agency of local government, or local board of education shall embezzle or wrongfully convert to his own use, or corruptly use, or shall misapply for any purpose other than that for which the same are held, or shall fail to pay over and deliver to the proper persons entitled to receive the same when lawfully required so to do, any moneys, funds, securities or other property which such officer shall have received by virtue or color of his office in trust for any person or corporation, such officer shall be guilty of a felony.”
§ 14 92. Embezzlement of funds by public officers and trustees.
If an officer, agent, or employee of an entity listed below, or a person having or holding money or property in trust for one of the listed entities, shall embezzle or otherwise willfully and corruptly use or misapply the same for any purpose other than that for which such moneys or property is held, such person shall be guilty of a felony. If the value of the money or property is one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000) or more, the person is guilty of a Class C felony. If the value of the money or property is less than one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000), the person is guilty of a Class F felony. If any clerk of the superior court or any sheriff, treasurer, register of deeds or other public officer of any county, unit or agency of local government, or local board of education shall embezzle or wrongfully convert to his own use, or corruptly use, or shall misapply for any purpose other than that for which the same are held, or shall fail to pay over and deliver to the proper persons entitled to receive the same when lawfully required so to do, any moneys, funds, securities or other property which such officer shall have received by virtue or color of his office in trust for any person or corporation, such officer shall be guilty of a felony. If the value of the money, funds, securities, or other property is one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000) or more, the person is guilty of a Class C felony. If the value of the money, funds, securities, or other property is less than one hundred thousand dollars ($100,000), the person is guilty of a Class F felony. The provisions of this section shall apply to all persons who shall go out of office and fail or neglect to account to or deliver over to their successors in office or other persons lawfully entitled to receive the same all such moneys, funds and securities or property aforesaid. The following entities are protected by this section: a county, a city or other unit or agency of local government, a local board of education, and a penal, charitable, religious, or educational institution. (1876 7, c. 47; Code, s. 1016; 1891, c. 241; Rev., s. 3408; C.S., s. 4270; 1979, c. 760, s. 5; 1979, 2nd Sess., c. 1316, s. 47; 1981, c. 63, s. 1; c. 179, s. 14; 1985, c. 509, s. 3; 1993, c. 539, s. 1177; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14(c); 1997 443, s. 19.25(f).)
Hey Redmond, are you listening? I have some more, would you like to get on TV yet and try to explain this? I am dying to hear how you are going to explain all of the crooked’ness. One way you can help yourself is to tell the names of all the departments over the years you showed how to commit this fraud too. That would be a big start. It is amazing how identical yours and crowns frauds are, you know, there is collusion between you two. You know it and I know it and I want to know who else knows it. Do yourself and everyone else a favor and resign now.
You will never walk from this.
Its over, Redmond.
BTW, Crone, you can add that to your list of charges as well, for diverting the money raised in the name of DARE over to the Cops for Kids Account.
What did they teach you all in school, I think we need to go back and check the two of your test scores for cheating for chis sake. Two peas in a pod, unbelievable haw dumb you all are, how did either of you get to the top of the police heap. Oh yea, but then look who I am talking to right...wow
IRS, come on down, you’re the next contestant on, Who Can Screw This Pooch First.
Because Dare Cares, Inc is a non profit corporation under section 501 C3 it is NOT ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING POLITICAL!
Buying “trinkets” with the dare logo and your god given name is nothing more then self promotion and is only useful to promote yourself for reelection. Dare Cares, Inc is breaking the law by buying you this crap, whether you write the checks or not. (btw, I will know who owns it tomorrow)
Redmond, how, I swear, how are you this dumb and the Sheriff at the same time, you know if you did this you are really far out there, there is no coming back from this, this is the IRS. What were you and crone thinking, but especially you, who ever owns Dare Cares Inc is in a lot of trouble right now, I am pretty sure that is going to be you or one of your close friends.
If it is you, you need to read the part that goes “none of its earnings may inure to any private shareholder or individual.”
Why would you do this to yourselves, were you not making enough money? Crone made 100,00 grand a year and I don’t know what you make Redmond, but was it not enough, did you just want a little bit more?
I know families that live on under 1/5 of that and they don’t go out and steal.
The Restriction of Political Campaign Intervention by Section 501(c)(3) Tax-Exempt Organizations
Under the Internal Revenue Code, all section 501(c)(3) organizations are absolutely prohibited from directly or indirectly participating in, or intervening in, any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for elective public office. Contributions to political campaign funds or public statements of position (verbal or written) made on behalf of the organization in favor of or in opposition to any candidate for public office clearly violate the prohibition against political campaign activity. Violating this prohibition may result in denial or revocation of tax-exempt status and the imposition of certain excise taxes.
Certain activities or expenditures may not be prohibited depending on the facts and circumstances. For example, certain voter education activities (including presenting public forums and publishing voter education guides) conducted in a non-partisan manner do not constitute prohibited political campaign activity. In addition, other activities intended to encourage people to participate in the electoral process, such as voter registration and get-out-the-vote drives, would not be prohibited political campaign activity if conducted in a non-partisan manner.
On the other hand, voter education or registration activities with evidence of bias that (a) would favor one candidate over another; (b) oppose a candidate in some manner; or (c) have the effect of favoring a candidate or group of candidates, will constitute prohibited participation or intervention.
The Internal Revenue Service provides resources to exempt organizations and the public to help them understand the prohibition. As part of its examination program, the IRS also monitors whether organizations are complying with the prohibition.
Exemption Requirements
To be tax-exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code, an organization must be organized and operated exclusively for exempt purposes set forth in section 501(c)(3), and none of its earnings may inure to any private shareholder or individual. In addition, it may not be an action organization, i.e., it may not attempt to influence legislation as a substantial part of its activities and it may not participate in any campaign activity for or against political candidates.
Organizations described in section 501(c)(3) are commonly referred to as charitable organizations. Organizations described in section 501(c)(3), other than testing for public safety organizations, are eligible to receive tax-deductible contributions in accordance with Code section 170.
The organization must not be organized or operated for the benefit of private interests, and no part of a section 501(c)(3) organization's net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual. If the organization engages in an excess benefit transaction with a person having substantial influence over the organization, an excise taxmay be imposed on the person and any organization managers agreeing to the transaction.
Section 501(c)(3) organizations are restricted in how much political and legislative (lobbying) activities they may conduct. For a detailed discussion, see Political and Lobbying Activities. For more information about lobbying activities by charities, see the article Lobbying Issues; for more information about political activities of charities, see the FY-2002 CPE topic Election Year Issues.
Insert tumbleweed here...
In May 2004, the Chelmsford, Massachusetts, top anti-drug cop Michael Horan was charged with 20 counts related to stealing from the local DARE program. Horan pleaded not guilty despite evidence that he bought a $35,000 truck, gambled heavily and carried seven loans on a paycheck that was garnisheed for child support
According to court documents filed by assistant district attorney Richard D. Grundy, Horan took charitable donations totaling thousands of dollars entrusted to him as the town's Drug Awareness Resistance Officer. He also allegedly took a laptop computer from the Police Department and raffle money from high school sports games.
Police Chief Raymond G. McCusker, who was unavailable for comment yesterday, suspended Horan without pay on Friday, according to Lieutenant James Murphy.
Horan, 30, had been the town's DARE officer since 2001, Murphy said. The DARE program, designed to prevent drug use among preteens and teens, is taught in the fifth grade in Chelmsford. Horan was placed on administrative leave in November, Murphy said.
RELEASED BY: Kelly A. Ayotte, Attorney General
SUBJECT: Guilty pleas by Barbara Mack-Keeney on two counts of theft from the New Hampshire DARE Officers Association
DATE: May 30, 2008
RELEASE TIME: Immediate
CONTACT: Francesca Stabile, Attorney
New Hampshire Attorney General’s Office, 603-271-3671
New Hampshire Attorney General Kelly A. Ayotte announces that on Friday, May 30, 2008, Barbara Mack-Keeney of Woodstock, New Hampshire, the former treasurer of the New Hampshire DARE Officers Association, pled guilty in the Grafton County Superior Court to two counts of theft from the Association by misapplication of funds. Judge Vaughn sentenced Mack-Keeney on one charge to a term of twelve months in the House of Correction, with six months suspended, and on the second charge to a term of one to three years in the state prison, all suspended. Mack-Keeney also paid almost $15,000 in restitution, and agreed to be decertified as a law enforcement officer.
The New Hampshire DARE Officers Association (NHDOA) is an independent organization of police officers who assist in the training of DARE officers throughout the State. The organization is separate from the New Hampshire DARE program. The NHDOA funds are not state funds.
Mack-Keeney was the long-time treasurer of NHDOA. She was formerly a sergeant in the Woodstock Police Department, and participated in DARE programs in several towns. Her sentence to the House of Correction starts immediately
I personally don't find there to be much truth to any of your slandering comments about our Sheriff. The money generated for the DARE program is closely monitored. The Sheriff is also a county employee, not a state. That goes to show your apparent knowledge. The last point I intend to make about this is the fact that you post under an anonymous name. This just further shows that you do not have a leg to stand on. I would almost love for someone as arrogant as you to publish these wilds allegations with your name attactched. I would love to see a lawyer that you keep begging the good Sheriff to hire sue you for slander and Liable. Before you say that cannot be done, you should probably know that since you are saying this for the purpose of harmful intend you can in fact be sued.
I would also like for the Gatton report to rethink this idea of anonymous posting to help prevent this filth from being added. People with factual information should not be afraid to use their own name.
This will also be the last time I come to this report as long as this continues.
You apparently understand the ramifications of speaking openly since you failed to post your name.
That's the pot calling the kettle black.
I was not going to say anything else, but you made me. SO here yea go.
Now I might be wrong about who he works for but in this state, he works for the state. BUt I will soube check and get back to you.
"These provisions preclude a special deputy sheriff from serving simultaneously in the legislature. The office of sheriff is a constitutional one residing in the executive branch of the state government,"
This is what you think is DARE AMerica, the program that the money was raised for, and below you will see the company where the money actually went.
Perhaps these people can change your mind, and just so you know my intent is to lock this people up and if that is harmful then you got me.
Being sued is the last thing I am worried about. By know you should already know that.
DARE CARES INC
In Care of Name JOHN ROBINSON
Address 310 N CENTER ST
STATESVILLE, NC 28677-4064
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IRS Subsection 501(c)(3) - A religious, educational, charitable, scientific or literary organization.
Type of Foundation Organization which receives a substantial part of its support from a governmental unit or the general public
Type of Organization Corporation
Deductibility Contributions are deductible
Tax I.D. Number 561972188
Exempt Since 06-1997
Form 990 Requirement 990 or 990EZ return
Activity #1 Activity Code NOT found
Activity #2 Community service organization
Classification Educational Services and Schools - Other
But it is nice to see someone attack the laws I put up, I am been asking for it for 2 months and that is the first ligit challenge. You get a cookie.
BTW, if you dont find "MUCH TRUTH" in my comments then you DO FIND SOME TRUTH. So for that I want to thank you for your support on busting these crooks. I will be sure to let them know you cared on visiting day.
As much I as I do not enjoy reading the trash that you are posting about the Sheriff and his men. I would like to see it stop, and that being the fact...I would like to know why if you have SO MUCH PROOF are you spreading it anonymously on a blog. It seems to me that you are just trying to stir up unfounded rumors. Which is exactly what they are. THERE IS NO PROOF. So until you have some, which I know you will not. STOP TRASHING people who are making a difference in our county either by stopping another drug dealer, or protecting someone even as ungreatful as you.
keep up the good work Iredell County law enforcement!
One more thing, you are going to have a very tough time with that
slander thing and Liable thing
n law, defamation (also called calumny, libel, slander, and vilification) is the communication of a statement that makes a false claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual
Better go back and re read what I wrote, I said right in it these words, "if you did this" so does that sound like I am presenting it as fact? I presented it as theroy. Becasue I wont know for a fact till I see the documents.
Better go back to law school sir, I dont think it took the first time, but I appreciate your comments and invite you back to pick apart what I post, and dont worry, you still get the cookie.
I have to agree with 11:05
The DARE program is a tax deductible organization. That means in turn that the IRS monitors this. Which in turn means that the IRS, and the accountant in charge of the books would be tracking the money and setting that aganist the deductions.
That pretty much shoots holes through your DARE program theft.
You still haven't posted YOUR (real)name next to your beliefs, And many of the officers in the department do a great job. I support them 100%.
As for your obvious hero the Sheriff; remember on the Wizard of Oz when the curtain fell down that was around the wizard? Nuff said.
What two things happens when you hit 25,000 dollars in donations?
I will give you a hint, it has to do with reports.
You would think that the IRS monitors these small non profits, but they dont, the dollars are not high enough. Same with the FBI, the losses are not great enough.
But if you divert the money from its intended target to a small charity you own, you are breaking the law and all the laws I said apply.
The IRS is going to monitor this deal because it is a fraud, the IRS is going to revoke their 501c3 status quick.
There is a lot more that is going to happen to, but I have not told you all about it yet, but I will, just hang in there, let it play out.
what exactly do you consider a small non-profit?
How exactly do you know what the IRS, FBI, or any other agency does or does not monitor?
What about the accountant that keeps the books for the DARE program?
oh...let me guess...they are crooked too, and you will be going after them next!
what exactly do you consider a small non-profit?
25,000 or less per year, the same as the IRS and the office of charitiable solicitations.
How exactly do you know what the IRS, FBI, or any other agency does or does not monitor?
Because they say it and I read it, they are on the record all over the internet in news sites and their sites, you should look it up, it is real interesting reading.
What about the accountant that keeps the books for the DARE program?
Ok, who is the accountant that keeps the books for DARE Cares Inc. and what does that have to do with anything about whether or not the money was intended to go to DARE America and not Dare Cares Inc.
oh...let me guess...they are crooked too, and you will be going after them next!
HAHA, No he is safe LOL Boy, your a little over the top arent you?
But by all means, please keep trying.
You still have not answered my one question and I answered your 4, how is this game fair, or is it that you just have no clue?
What two things happens when you hit 25,000 dollars in donations?
I will give you a hint, it has to do with reports
You still have not answered my one question and I answered your 4, how is this game fair, or is it that you just have no clue?
What two things happens when you hit 25,000 dollars in donations?
I will give you a hint, it has to do with reports
Sing to Smugglers Blues by Glen Fry, a little Monday mornin’ music
Every fight worth fighting needs to have a song.
There's trouble on the beats tonight,
I can feel it in my bones.
I had a premonition,
That he would not go alone.
I knew the phone w
as loaded,
But I didn't think he'd dial.
Everything exploded,
And the money began to spill.
So RedCrone, here's your cop sticker,
Put the phone in your hand.
Here's a little money now,
Do it just the way we planned.
You talk for twenty hours
And I'll pay you twenty grand.
I'm sorry it went down like this,
And someone had to lose,
It's the nature of the business,
It's the Fundraisers blues.
Fundraisers Blues
The Sheriff and the Chief,
The cops and the law,
The pay offs and the rip offs,
And the things nobody saw.
No matter if it's fundraisng, or a Christmas children’s bash,
You've got to carry weapons
Cause you always carry cash.
There's lots of shady characters,
Lots of dirty deals.
Ev'ry name's an alias
In case somebody squeals.
It's the lure of easy money,
It's gotta very strong appeal.
Perhaps you'd understand it better
Standin' in my shoes,
It's the ultimate enticement,
It's the Fundraisers blues,
Fundraisers blues.
See it in the headlines,
You hear it ev'ry day.
They say they're gonna stop it,
But it doesn't go away.
They call it through County, sell it in the town.,
They hide it up and tell you lies,
I mean it's here to stay.
It's propping up the the crooked men, County, Morresville too
You ask any F.B.I. man,
He'll say There's nothin' we can do,
From the office of the President,
Right down to me and you, me and you.
It's a losing proposition,
But one you can't refuse.
It's the politics of Fundraising,
It's the fundraisers blues,
Fundraisers blues
Where did bob bob go? I missed out all weekend and I was catching up this morning! Crone never "above the law". Come on now bob bob could you possibly know of at least one instance about nine mo nths ago where Crone was "above the law". If you are the bob bob I think you might be I bet you know of at least one instance :)
Hey Redmond, were you thinking you did not have to get a license to raise money in the State of North Carolina because you say you did not take in more then 25000 for the dare program. Until we see the books I guess we will have to go with this. But I bet when you add in the CASH that was collected and not put in the account you will break that 25000 number by a lot. Everyone knows that mom and pop business pay in cash especially if you are wearing a badge.
You are NOT LICENSED TO RAISE MONEY IN THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA according to these people and I think they would know
Good Morning Mr. ,
Thank you for your inquiry.
I checked our registry, I did not find a listing for an organization by the name of Dare Cares Inc of North Carolina licensed to solicit charitable contributions in the State of North Carolina.
However, they are listed under our Corporation Division as Dare Care Inc.
If we can assist you further, please feel to contact our office.
Angelia Boone-Hicks
Licensing and Filing Supervisor
NC Department of the Secretary of State
Charitable Solicitation Licensing Division
919.807-2214
Now I asked you to get on TV and explain this like Crone and Rader but you chose not too. It can only get worse for you from here, Redmond. I know what you and Crone have been doing together and I am sure they are more, so you might want to go ahead and call those departments and let them know I am looking would like to discuss this when them.
I think maybe we will start with Huntersville, NC Redmond, and I bet you know why. SO who are the rest? I want to know Redmond. Who else is in your crew?
You can get on TV with an explination anytime now Redmond, but my guess is you saw what happened to Crone and Rader and there is no way you will do that now because you know you cant lie to these people while I am sitting right here.
So, what are we to do with you Redmond. I mean, you are already getting the SBI, FBI the State board of elections, the IRS, the Secretary of State, The Secretary of States office of charitable solicitations, The Atty. General., ALL investigating you, just like Crone. I mean how much more of you do I have to toss under the buss before you step down like crone tried to do. I doubt you can handle much more, but I have more, you can count on it.
I am just curious Redmond, how do you suppose two identical charities, doing identical things and stealing in identical ways managed to show up side by side in one county. Do you know what the odds of that are? They are astronomical without collusion. WHo are the others, Redmond? Where are the other chiefs you showed how to do this, you need to give them a call and tell them to shut down their DARE programs right now. Because you know that even if I dont get to all of them, one of those professional investigators above will.
You may as well roll over now.
To Crone Smith Rader Thunberg, Frank and Redmond.
Dont think I did not forget about you too fire chief of Mooresville, you better get your books out too for your fundraising.
If you did this, I would say you are past done, you are going to prison.
See if you look at this again, you will see that you ARE required to send in a 990, something you would only need to do if you took in MORE then 25,000, so which is it Redmond, you cant have it both ways, you either do take in more then 25,000 or you do not, but my guess is you take in at least 1000 per week if not twice that much. Where is all that money Redmond, if you will steal just a little for your reelection campaign "trinkets" then you will steal it all.
DARE CARES INC
In Care of Name JOHN ROBINSON
Address 310 N CENTER ST
STATESVILLE, NC 28677-4064
MapG MapY MapV
IRS Subsection 501(c)(3) - A religious, educational, charitable, scientific or literary organization.
Type of Foundation Organization which receives a substantial part of its support from a governmental unit or the general public
Type of Organization Corporation
Deductibility Contributions are deductible
Tax I.D. Number 561972188
Exempt Since 06-1997
Form 990 Requirement 990 or 990EZ return
Activity #1 Activity Code NOT found
Activity #2 Community service organization
Classification Educational Services and Schools - Other
And Crone, Smith Rader Thunberg and Frank, dont think for a second I have forgot about you behind me.
Dear 9:44, I have no idea what you are talking about and pretty sure that you have no idea who I am.
If you recall that Cops for Kids was slated to fall under the Town budget as of July 1st of this year. Why would Crone push this for so long if this was his private slush fund? He inherited this program, he did not start it. He is a Police Chief, not a fundraiser, but his supervisors did not provide him with appropriate guidance on how to do that. His requests of the Town Attorney and Accountant never helped.
If he was told that the Cops for Kids accounts belonged to the Police Department, then how/why would Crone act any differently? Loose change in an evidence locker can be deposited into any Police Bank Account.
Have any investigators interviewed Crone yet?
My view on things here are that Crone did not screw up. The Town Manager, Accountant and Attorney have screwed up on oversight for years. One or two commissioners don't like Crone. Look at the ties from the recently fired officer to commissioners to the author of this blog. Then look at the Town Manager and Acccountant who are covering their butts and offered up Crone to quell the mob. They hoped it would work. It didn't.
If/when Crone ever gets a chance to tell his side of the story, things will be interesting.
I'm sorry if you don't like my name. I made it up nad figured it would be easy to remember. It beats anonymous.
If he was told that the Cops for Kids accounts belonged to the Police Department, then how/why would Crone act any differently? Loose change in an evidence locker can be deposited into any Police Bank Account.
First of all, the accounts were in his name and under his social security number, and that means he went into the bank all by himself and opened those accounts.
If your boss, meaning the town, told you to go to the bank and open a bank account for it to use as a police department account, you would tell him what he could do with that idea. Not to mention crone never tried to be repaid by the town for the interest he says he paid taxes on.
And if all that is the case, then he knew EXACTLY what he was doing.And that means that he knew it was not a police department bank account and he should have known being that he opened the account, that he CAN NOT put evidence room money into it anymore then he can put a bag of cocaine from the evidence room into his pocket. He knew it was stealing, he is just telling you things to get you to believe otherwise.
He knew he was setting up a scam identical to Redmonds all the way back in 1997, the year that Redmonds got his 501c3 and the same year that Crone opened up his Cops for Kids. Coincidently, both fake ass charities were founded in 1996, so what Crone walked into, he accepted and accepted with ghusto.
Crone came in 1998 (December). Cops for Kids was already there, but it was "small time". Crone gladly took it over and for years claimed to have started it himself.Now that it has gone to hell, he says that he inherited it, which he actually did. That don't change the fact that he is finally getting what he deserves for the way he has treated the officers that have worked under his threats for 10 years. The 71 officers that were fired and run off under his watch now have something to celebrate.
I stand corrected, crone started in 1998, but was still told what to do with the charity by Redmond who was already operation.
Bob Bob....
I'm with you on a few of your points. Crone's bosses did not provide leadership to him on how to manage the CFK fund. One of the real ironies here is the CFK program lived on the town website for years and NO ONE knew anything about it before the 4th of July.....when Jaime explained "plagarism" to the leaders of our town.
Where we differ is.....a jar full of change in the evidence room is not "there for the taking". That money belonged to people who were brought in to custody and even if they were convicted I don't quite understand how that makes that money fair game for CFK. It seems every other police jurisdiction in this country has a way of dealing with this kind of cash...without depositing it in to what appears to be a personal account for the police chief.
nc general statutes plainly say how evidence is supposed to be released in case the owner cant be located. the court has to release the money and it has to go the the school system. not a charity or a slush fund or any other fund.
Changing the focus on the town's lack of oversight and involvement does not ameliorate Mr. Crone from his responsibility to operate it in a lawful manner, and certainly does not impact his depositing money from the evidene room into the CFK account.
Bob, you appear to be attempting to defend Crone by shifting blame away from his actions. Is the town also complicit, yes. Will we resolve that issue, yes.
Your defense doesn't really seem to be a defense, but rather an attempt to shift the focus.
Mr. Crone may be a nice guy with many nice qualities. There are many nice people with nice qualities who make wrong decisions for which they are held accountable. The Town held Mr. Crone accountable for his mismanagement -- and I'm sure he's aleady filed a grievance for his termination.
This issue isn't about whether or not Mr. Crone is nice -- it's about whether or not it violated town policies and state law. The former has already been answered, and the latter will be answered one of these days.
I've not seen or heard any evidence which allows me to arrive at the conclusion that Mr. Crone's termination was warranted and required, and I believe that CFK collected monies to be used for emergencies and for Christmas gifts, but fraudulently used those funds for other purposes. $300 out of $20000+ went for the purposes advertised on the town of mooreville's website. The rest went to pay for trips for Explorers and the Mayer's Youth Advisory Council, and to pay for meals for the police department.
If you can provide facts contrary to those which have been presented, I'd be more than happy to review them and then use them as a formation of a new opinion, if possible.
From: Larry Green
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:36 PM
To: 'frader@ci.mooresville.nc.us'
Cc: 'Steve Gambill'
Subject:
Dear Mr. Rader,
I am writing to you to request a copy of any and all e-mail address included in the Rader-At-Large distribution list which you utilize to disseminate information in your role as an elected official of the Town of Mooresville. I also request a copy of all e-mail addresses in any other distribution lists you’ve created as a result of your role as an elected official. My request is based on GS 132-1, which provides the definition of public records and the agencies/officials to whom the this applies. I’ve inserted the statute below for your convenience. Please feel free to contact me if you need any clarification on these requests for public documents.
I request that mailing list be delivered electronically or be made available on a disk, which I will be more than happy to provide.
Thank you,
Larry Green
§ 132 1. "Public records" defined.
(a) "Public record" or "public records" shall mean all documents, papers, letters, maps, books, photographs, films, sound recordings, magnetic or other tapes, electronic data processing records, artifacts, or other documentary material, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received pursuant to law or ordinance in connection with the transaction of public business by any agency of North Carolina government or its subdivisions. Agency of North Carolina government or its subdivisions shall mean and include every public office, public officer or official (State or local, elected or appointed), institution, board, commission, bureau, council, department, authority or other unit of government of the State or of any county, unit, special district or other political subdivision of government.
(b) The public records and public information compiled by the agencies of North Carolina government or its subdivisions are the property of the people. Therefore, it is the policy of this State that the people may obtain copies of their public records and public information free or at minimal cost unless otherwise specifically provided by law. As used herein, "minimal cost" shall mean the actual cost of reproducing the public record or public information. (1935, c. 265, s. 1; 1975, c. 787, s. 1; 1995, c. 388, s. 1.)
Good for you, Rev. Green, for making this request, and thank you for sharing it with the rest of us. Mostly, I thank you for your willingness to continue to stand up and speak out.
On the other hand, I have this to say to "Bob Bob". Give it up Bob Bob. We feel your pain. It must be just as difficult to accept that one of your parishioners is morally bankrupt, as it was for us to find out that our chief of police was morally bankrupt. But it happens to the best of pastors and it happens to the best of towns. It is not a reflection on your character, just as it is not a reflection on ours.
One thing you are absolutely right about. His supposed "supervisors”, Erskine Smith and Maia Setzer, should be getting the same exact treatment as he is getting, and if they are not it would be the height of injustice.
Bob Bob,
I agree with others that you are working hard to shift blame. You couldn't be fighting harder if you were Crone's defense attorney on court day. Here are a couple of your points and a good evalutaion of them;
Crone is a nice guy with good intentions who was left holding the bag...
No, Crone was an ass to many of his employees. This isn't coming from an "alpha male" with a big ego as you claim, or someone who was fired or written up. He was a vindictive and hateful administrator.
This whole thing started as retaliation from officers that needed to be fired or disciplined...
No, this was started because Crone nitpicked and bullied many people while he did what pleased him whether it was legal or not.
Good example; Crone had someone investigated and fired for a $4 descrepancy in the evidence room, yet it was okay for him to have and transfer over $300 worth of evidence into an MPD bank account.
That is the type of self righteous dictatorship that made him a target. As Redmond is starting to see, you can't wipe your behind on people and then do what ever you want. It's good to be the king until there are more people who are tired of you than there are on your side.
Crone inherited this whole thing...
Maybe someone else started the main program, but he built it up to the level it was at when it began to be misused. As was pointed out, Crone had an account with HIS name and HIS social security number and HE personally paid the taxes himself according to his own admission.
He only used the money for what it was intended...
One of the first purchases was for a swingset at his own church. I hardly think that qualifies as helping needy chldren. He was doing what people like him and Redmond do, setting up alliances in case things went bad. That is why both Crone and Redmond have some strong supporters. As I said before, the Hells Angels have a toy run.
Now about the money from the evidence room...
I pointed out before and now Jim and 9:05 have further pointed out that money in the evidence room is the property of someone. It has to be disposed of legally. Placing money from the evidence room into a MPD account of any kind is enough of a violation for him to lose his job. Giving the term "loose change" to over $300 is inexcusable.
I mentioned before that if I was Crone and I was guilty I would be declaring my innocence from on top of the town clock. You said that no lawyer in town would defend you if you did that. If I wasn't guilty I wouldn't need some slick ass lawyer to look through the laws and split hairs to get me off the hook. If you are innocent or if you have made an honest mistake the evidence will speak for itself.
If you are guilty, you can get an attorney and get out of a murder charge like O.J. Only in America could you be found NOT guilty of murdering someone and then be found civily liable and be ordered to pay the family for killing their loved one.
Our legal system sucks and it does lean in favor of the accused. If Crone is innocent then it doesn't matter if he is a great guy or not, the facts should show that.
Bob Bob or Crone Crone, whatever your name is, give it up. If you aren't Crone, you are someone who has much to lose if he goes down.
If you are not someone with alot to lose, then you need to get your rose colored glasses off because you are a victim of a Crone / Redmond smoke job. These are two professional snake oil salesman.
As one of them has said MANY times, "It's not what you do, it's what people think you do."
Time Traveler
correction. I stated;
I mentioned before that if I was Crone and I was guilty I would be declaring my innocence from on top of the town clock.
What I mean't to say was that if I was Crone and I was NOT guilty I would be declaring my innocence from on top of the town clock.
Time Traveler
Here is Mr. Rader's response to my request. Now we'll proceed with step #2.
From: Frank Rader From: Frank Rader [mailto:frankrader@mi-connection.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM
To: Larry Green
Cc: Steve Gambill
Subject: Re: Request
Thanks, Larry
Thanks for the request.
Thanks for the copy of a statute. It does not apply.
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:18 AM
To: Larry Green
Cc: Steve Gambill
Subject: Re: Request
Thanks, Larry
Thanks for the request.
Thanks for the copy of a statute. It does not apply.
Radar's arrogance is shining trhough again. All part of the stall tactic that started this post.
Time Traveler
7:03
The $4.00 evidence incident you referred to was actually money being stolen and kept by the evidence tech. That led to thousands being stolen and kept by the tech ... not accounted for and placed in an account with documentation. Try and get your facts straight!!
Is there a statute that points directly to the distribution lists? On my way to work this morning I saw a SBI vehicle on Church St. One could only wish it was there in an effort to put some of this to rest!
I would like to think it has something to do the game called Rodney becomes the prison bi@@@, but they were probably just having coffee?
Anonymous said...
Who ever Rodney Page is, tell him I said pack his crap up and get out of town, he is a fraud and he is ripping you people off, tell him also, that I am coming for him next. He needs to shut down right now and not make one more call. I know what he is doing, he is no match for me, tell him I said, it is time to play a game. This one is called Rodney becomes the prison bi@@@.
September 5, 2008 11:43 PM
Anonymous said...
Might want to tell that to these people too
Fundraising Pros
319 Rolling Hill Rd # B
Mooresville, NC 28117,
704-663-0963
Give them a call, people of mooresville, and tell them what you think of them.
Hey Mooresville cops, go bust both of these peoples offices, get a warrant and raid the place and get their lists of names, you will find tons of fraud and if you are lucky, you will get 20 or 30 people in the act of fraud.
Do not play with these people cops they CAN be very dangerous, just letting you know ahead of time. This is what you have a SWAT team for.
Then once you have done that, show me their paperwork and I will tell you what they did.
This is for real cops, go do your jobs. 14-100 applies to every single person in those offices.
Welcome to the game you guys, your a little late, but we can make room at the county jail for you.
I want to see 50,000 dollar bonds on all of them. Freeze their bank accounts as well before they can drain the money out. Because that will be the first thing they do.
Someone else help out and post the address of these thieves on church street.
If you cops have any questions, just ask
September 9, 2008 7:23 AM:
Do I understand correctly that Commissioner Rader is refusing to release the list of email addresses to which he sends his "Rader At Large", a town-related publication to?
And to September 9, 2008 5:26 PM:
Is it really necessary for you to call other posters names? In addition, how do we know you are speaking the truth about all SBI vehicles?
Rev Green and Others,
I have nothing to lose, other than see a good Cop being persecuted for something wrongfully.
Why would Crone deposit $300+ from the evidence locker and document that fact if he knew it was illegal? It is standard practice to deposit money from evidence lockers into Police accounts. Crone wanted the Town to take over the accounts for some time, with no success until this year. Tansfer was to take place on July 1. I agree that case related money needs to be tracked closely and probably ordered by judge. What about loose change that did not belong to a case? LOOSE CHANGE.
If Town officials told Crone that the CFK account was a Police account and Crone deposited (and documented!) loose change into a Police account, then he did not break any laws. It's not even bad accounting.
Rev Green, there is not shifting of focus. These are just facts. There is no corruption.
What you don't see is that each and every one of the people who are loud on this forum have an agenda. Even the Rev. Plenty of people have been hired and fired through the years. Do you think those that were fired told their loved ones the full extent of why they were fired? Not a chance. There is always much more to the story than what you hear.
It's funny how the accounts were moving to the Town on July1, but this all began to blow up in late June. A Dare cop was fired and all of a sudden this investigative reporter comes up with this story? Crone did not try to hide anything. When asked for information, he handed it all over. Actions of a corrupt Police Chief? Not even close.
Rev Green,
Your arrogance is overwhelming. What makes you think that email addresses of individuals is available via FOIA?
Do you think I can ask the Town Hall for your social security number? They have it right? Am I entitled to it?
I look forward to your response.
Dear bob bob (a/k/a John Crone's pastor)
We could not have said it any better than you did. You said:
"Do you think those that were fired told their loved ones the full extent of why they were fired? Not a chance. There is always much more to the story than what you hear."
Those of us who are not blind Crone Loyalists such as you saw this:
"Do you think Crone told his loved ones the full extent of why he was fired? Not a chance. There is always much more to the story than what you hear."
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but Crone is playing you. And as for your naiive assertion that "there is no corruption in Mooresville", now you sound more like Rader than Crone's pastor. Wake up and smell the stench, or better yet, just open your eyes and ears and look around you. It is just recently that some of us are actually coming out of denial about the ugly reality.
well i dont know if bob bob is john crones pastor but he sure as heck aint a cop or at least a good one if he believes that theres 300 of loose change just laying around an evidence room and that the chief of police or the town can just decide one day that they want to use it and that makes it okay.
have you looked at the cops for kids records bob bob or are you just taking crones word for everything? you seem to imply that were all blind followers of the author this blog who by the way looked through the records before printing anything about the cops for kids.
so how about you bob bob? did you look through the records or are you just a blind follower of john crones?
September 9, 2008 9:09 AM...
You told me to get my facts straight. Well here 'ya go...
I had a pretty long post on that one and was cutting corners on words. I am aware that the evidence tech was taking money, but a small amount missing started the investigation. (I don't have a problem in the least with the investigation or the firing of that person. Wrong is wrong.)
However, Crone was apparently okay with $361 floating around as long as it there for him to place into a fund.
ANYONE insisting that it is okay to have that much money "loose" in the evidence room AND that it is common practice to deposit it into a police account is not familiar with procedures.
When money is confiscated as a result of an arrest, or turned in as found money, it is placed in an envelope and sealed. The amount of money and information matching the state investigative report that goes along with any money confiscated as the result of an arrest is written on the envelope documenting where it came from.
In the case of an arrest, that money remains in that envelope until the defendant's case is complete in court. Then, the money is either returned or the court determines what is to be done with the money.
I'm not sure, but I believe found money is returned to the person who turned it in if it is not claimed. LIKE I SAID, I'm not sure. The fact is that there is not much if any found money turned in. Most of the time the wallet or purse is found with the money missing. Therefore, we can rightly assume that the loose change in the evidence room is the result of arrests.
If evidence is being propery documented and sealed,
THERE IS NO LOOSE CHANGE!
Any deviation from the above proceedure is unethical at best. Your hero Crone was okay with this. I KNOW he wrote LOOSE CHANGE on the envelope. That doesn't mean that he thought it was okay. It means he thought he could do whatever he wanted to.
How about if I write a note to the IRS saying I don't have to pay taxes anymore, does that mean I thought it was okay? No it means I'm making my own rules which is what Crone was famous for.
When the account was being looked through at the beginning of the investigation $492 cash marked misc fell out of a folder. According to reports of those present, there were notes in the envelope, but none explained where the money came from.
Again, I AM AWARE THAT CRONE TURNED THIS ACCOUNT INFORMATION OVER VOLUNTARILY. Here's a freakin news flash:
It was public information, he had no choice.
The money marked misc may be accounted for when the audit is complete. The money in the evidence room cannot be accounted for if it was "loose change".
Crone's arrogance and double standards are what got him in a bind.
I have my facts straight. I apologize for not getting into details that would not be needed for most people to get the point.
You people that keep defending Crone must have him crying in your living room and are trying to clear this up so he'll go home.
Time Traveler
Hey! 8:56 pm. You must think the rest of us out here are dumb as heck. To compare our social security number with our email address is really something. And if you're itching to use the word "arrogant" you need look no further than Rader, the very guy who "somehow" got a hold of about two thousand email addresses of local citizens and started crapping in their ears by sending lies and misinformation to them. Where is your indignation at how he "collected" those email addresses? Oh that's right. People like you save your indignation for a rainy day - to use against private citizens who hold officials' feet to the fire.
Folks we may all be missing the forest for the trees about this Rader hiding his email addresses thing. At the bottom of his propaganda piece he always puts a number. I think the last one was 1,800. Well that's just what Rader's trying to make everybody believe. More likely it's just another Great Rader Lie. His propaganda is probably going out to a couple hundred people and now that Larry Green's demanding the list, Rader's white-knuckled thinking he's been caught in the act again. Frank, better go around and round up a bunch of email addresses quick, before you're slapped with a FOIA lawsuit and have to actually produce 1,800 separate email addresses!
Time Traveler, et al,
I am not Crone's pastor. Not by a longshot. Give up trying to figure out who I am. It does not matter.
There are those on this forum who have already committed libelous acts. You are not exactly anonymous, are ya? The author of this blog has shown that she can edit comments on the blog. Not sure if leaving and encouraging libelous comments is considered to be a complicit act. Attorneys will figure that one out later. It probably is not considered complicit, but I am no attorney.
It's time now to wait for the investigators to interview Crone, if they ever get around to it that is.
I never said that there was no corruption in Mooresville. What I am saying is that Crone is not corrupt. I am not saying that there is corruption in Mooresville either, but it is clear that there is incompetence. No one will argue that. Hopefully the new guy will help get things straightened out.
He's probably already wishing he never came to mooresville. Top managers always have a big target on their back.
Hey 10:26, I know nothing about how he collected the email addresses. There are laws with how you collect them and send emails to them. There really are not any punishments against it, but you have to allow people to "opt out" of receiving the emails in the future. I don't think you are dumb as heck, but you can't just provide personal information about people. There are laws about that too. An email address is in the gray area. I know it is not the same as an SSN, but it is not far off. To be so indignant about demanding personal information about private citizens is, in my mind, arrogant.
The good Reverend reminds me of the Catholic priests in the middle ages. Not exactly doing God's work, but rather more interested in politics. I am sorry if this bothers you, but most educated people would agree with me. It's just plain odd how nasty he is. Something is wrong there.
There are some Federal FOIA exemptions and I would suspect that the exemption of personal privacy may keep those email addresses private. Pretty sure that if Rader releases those email addresses, he could be sued by those on the list. There are privacy concerns. Because you know that the Good Reverend would post those emails on this blog.
I think "Mooresville" should change it's name to "Salem". Some of you will have no idea what that references.
Exemption (b)(1) - National Security Information
Exemption (b)(2) - Internal Personnel Rules and Practices
- "High" (b)(2) - Substantial internal matters, disclosure would risk circumvention of a legal requirement
- "Low" (b)(2) - Internal matters that are essentially trivial in nature.
Exemption (b)(3) - Information exempt under other laws
Exemption (b)(4) - Confidential Business Information
Exemption (b)(5) - Inter or intra agency communication that is subject to deliberative process, litigation, and other privileges
Exemption (b)(6) - Personal Privacy
Exemption (b)(7) - Law Enforcement Records that implicate one of 6 enumerated concerns
Exemption (b)(8) - Financial Institutions
Exemption (b)(9) - Geological Information
I have finally got to say something about Rev. Greens involvement here. I quit going to church because of all of the backstabbing and politics. If you are the leader of your church, I can only imagine how it operates behind the scenes.
As a citizen of Mooresville you have just as much right to state your opinion on all of these issues. However, your primary duty is sharing God's word and the best serman preached is the one that is lived.
I'm seeing a hateful determination that is not christian based. My suggestion is for you to keep fighting for what is right, but do it in a manner that reflects what you have chosen to do for a profession. If I need to explain further, I will be glad to do so.
Now that I've said that...
I agree with Bob Bob who said:
"It's time now to wait for the investigators to interview Crone, if they ever get around to it that is."
I too am ready for the results. This conversation has gone back and forth with each of us posting our beliefs. It's time to let it rest until the results are back.
Which leads to the second half of the statement, when is that going to happen?
I think we are ALL ready for the results and agree that the people in charge of the investigation plan to drag this out as long as they can.
So even with our differences, while we wait for answers it is still us against the government. As this original post started out; the second accounting firm has not yet been hired. What are they waiting for?
I can only assume they are waiting for things to cool off so they can sweep at least part of this under the rug. I and hopefully everyone else, want the truth from this investigation and want it handled accordingly.
For that to happen we will have to work together.
In reality, there is a small group defending Crone and a small group against him. The rest of Iredell County is going about life as usual because most people couldn't care less. That is how our government got into the shape it is in.
Most of Mooresville couldn't care less who the town manager or commissioners are, or whether or not they are doing a good job.
Since we are such a small group of people who want answers, it seems like it is time to work together and jump the powers that be. A small group divided is meaningless.
Bob Bob, how can we turn up the heat on this?
Time Traveler
One more thing, the powers that be read this board, I don't care what they say. Radar saying he doesn't read this is bull. He's trying to say that he isn't listening to a small mob that is trying to run him up a pole! Bull.
My point is that the fighting and bickering back and forth shows them that we are busy with each other. My post saying that we need to stick together and put the pressure on them is the last thing they wanted to read.
Time Traveler
What we are witnessing is how quickly some of these "officials" can become masterful bureacrats when it suits them, wrapping themselves & the process in convenient red tape when dealing with corrupt officials, but moving at lightning speed and in the dark of night when it comes to usurping the will of the people, as they did in the cable purchase and hiring and retaining the shady firm of CH2M Hill that led to Wastewatergate. By now we all know exactly which officials are doing this, so the gig's up whether they want to see it or not.
"I have nothing to lose, other than see a good Cop being persecuted for something wrongfully."
Bob Bob, I hope you screem this from the top of your lungs, you and I are already on the same side, you just dont know it yet, but RedCrone and their ilk must go to prison first.
We will talk again in the future, because right now you are looking at the legal world through a child's eyes.
To bad you were not around to defend others similarly situated when they needed you a few years ago. Where were you then, Bob Bob.
You indignation rings hollow right now, even though your defense of your friend is admirable. But in order for you to speak these words you must be speaking them about all people similarly situated and not just RedChrone, and that makes you my right hand man, so by all means shout it from the rooftops that Crone is being persecuted.
It is a necessary step to get the end result the Constitution demands, it just to bad you cant see that yet, but I am sorry about one thing, and that is that it took you so long to defend your friend and by extension, all people similarly situated.
But make no mistake, they are all guilty as far as the law is concerned, right now, and there is no way out for them no matter what you believe.
Keep watching what is happening, you will come around to the understanding that maybe you should be helping me instead of calling me and others names. Its in your best interest for me to keep working on this since you obviously do not know where it is going, if I stop now, your friend will go to prison for the rest of his life and all of your words will not be able to bring him back.
And since you work for me now, leave Rev. Green alone, I don't think you are up to that fight either.
Or do you still not get that my "agenda" is the same as yours, it is only our time frames and means that differ.
Tic Toc
Tic Toc...
You've got a lot of time and energy. I'd like to see it put to use. I am on your side on the RedCrone deal. I would like to see both of them gone.
The next step in doing that is to crank up the heat on the public officials that are dragging this along. As 7:51 said they are, "wrapping themselves & the process in convenient red tape when dealing with corrupt officials."
I'd like to see you use your talent to get the public officials moving. Nobody on this board is more driven than you to see results.
In my opinion, if Crone and Redmond were not guilty of the accusations, proving so would be simple and would have been done quickly.
None of this will be resolved until the investigations are complete. That is what we all need to push for. The longer this drags out the more people will forget, give up and go away.
That is what they want.
Time traveler
The longer this drags out the more people will forget, give up and go away.
They can all sit down if they want, but I beg to differ, the longer this drags out, the more police departments and police fundraising idiots I will be able to throw on the pile.
The outcome is sealed if the SBI follows the law of 14-100 and past cases, no matter what me or anyone else says. It is only a matter of how many charges they will each get. It takes a long time to write up that many charges and interview that many witnesses. A witness btw is ANYONE and EVERYONE who ever gave money to either of these programs and dont think they wont contact you all, they have copies of ALL OF YOUR CHECKS that you wrote and he then deposited. So that takes time, but what does not take time is filing a single charge against each right now and getting the process started.
There is no turning back, we are all going to go forward until the violation of the 14th is cured whether anyone wants to or not. It is not their choice anymore and it was never Franks choice even though he tried to make it his choice. And RedCrone IS going to prison at least for a time, anyway they are both guilty, as is anyone who touched that money and they will all be found guilty based on the wording of 14-100. Intent does not matter and almost all police fundraisers lie at least a little, to raise the funds, making them all guilty of violating 14-100. I could do this for years, nationally, everyday, and still only scratch the surface. The only question is how long am I going to have to continue until the violation of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution is cured.
9-9 5:26... I'm not a dumb ass! Check your facts
http://www.ncsbi.gov/offices/offices_specialops_decu_clanlab_program.jsp
I believe some of their vehicles are marked :)
Tic Toc, I don't see how I "work for you". I do not look at the legal world through child's eyes. I know more about the legal world than most, although I do not know all of the laws. You are confusing me to say the least. How could we be working for the same thing? You are calling him guilty of a crime when he has not even been charged.
Tic Toc, I still can't understand what your motivation is. You say you don't live in the town. I believe you have even said that you don't know Crone. Yet, you think he is guilty?
Time Traveler, I am on your side in that I would like to see a resolution to this sooner rather than later. They may indeed charge Crone, or they may not. Of that, I cannot be sure. I can be sure, however, that he will ultimately prevail.
Regarding the Rev Green, I am glad to see that you agree with me.
Time Traveler, you and I are really not all that different. I am equally passionate about corruption where there is corruption. And I have fought it the way you are here. You do genuinely seem like a good person. Unfortunately, we are on completely opposite sides concerning this issue. These things happen. Happy Wednesday.
You'll see :-)
Tic Toc
It is precisely because you don’t see why you work for me and that we are on the same side that you see the legal world through a child’s eyes.
Well Tic Toc, you provide me with a laugh at the very least. Do me a favor, in case I miss it, please point all of this out to me when it does come to light.
No offense, but I still think you are a nut job who couldn't get into law enforcement and are now obsessed with bringing down law enforcement wherever you can. I concede that I could be wrong, but we'll see.
If you knew what I know your head would explode, but please keep shouting that Crone is being persecuted, it is the whole point of this thing.
And dont worry, hindsight as they say is 20/20, I wont have to tell you, you will just know when it happens.
Good luck to you sparky, in the mean time you are going to need all the help you can get to convience people crone is a good man and innocent. And that still wont help your friend because you have no clue what the laws are and would rather be here running your mouth then looking up the laws I cite and attacking those.
If you believe Crone is innocent then you not only look at the legal world through a child's eyes, you look at the whole world through a child's eyes, and I feel sorry you, but as I say, keep shouting, its all you got and just what I need you to do right now.
I am the antithesis of what you think I am.
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