Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” - Martin Luther King, Jr.

Monday, September 22, 2008

Commissioners left in the dark this time, too

No doubt, I have criticized Mooresville commissioners many times in the past for conducting the peoples’ business behind closed doors – for their seeming unwillingness to be open and honest with the public, their constituents, about issues of importance to us.

But maybe sometimes it isn’t because the commissioners refuse to be open and honest with us – maybe it’s because they themselves are left in the dark when town staff isn’t providing pertinent information to them.

At least one commissioner has had to repeatedly demand updates on the ongoing Cops for Kids investigations that the town launched in July. Despite that, as recently as last week, commissioners were caught off guard by a new development in the Cops for Kids investigations that, come to find out, isn’t really so new.

Two Town Hall finance administrators have been aware since July of the former police chief’s potential misuse of drug asset forfeiture funds, but they didn't see fit to inform commissioners about it until last week – and only after the Report visited Town Hall to retrieve documents related to the matter.

Town Finance Director Maia Setzer said today that she, along with Town Accountant Deborah Hockett and Acting Police Chief Carl Robbins, notified an SBI agent on July 31 about the issue.

Town Attorney Steve Gambill said the U.S. Attorney’s office was notified on Thursday, Sept. 18, about former police chief John Crone’s potential misappropriation of federal funds. “Other than what was in the press release,” Gambill said, “I am not at liberty to discuss it beyond that point. If there is a point when I can discuss this in more detail I will be glad to but I cannot do so at present.”

Commissioners Mitch Abraham said he first learned about the potential problem with the drug asset forfeiture accounts on Wednesday afternoon, Sept. 17, when Setzer sent the following e-mail to commissioners (click the document to enlarge):


“The last sentence,” said Abraham, “was when I first heard of any discrepancies or had any ideas of the drug asset forfeiture monies being involved in any of the investigations.

“Besides being told of the upcoming release to the media on this past Friday,” Abraham added, “I have not talked with any staff about these discrepancies.”

In an e-mail on Sept. 18, obtained by the Mooresville Tribune and the Report in a public-records request last week, Commissioner Miles Atkins asked Setzer when she first became aware of the discrepancies. He also asked “who else has known about this prior to the board being made aware of it” – and how long they have known.

Setzer responded: “I began comparing the spreadsheet to our financial system when I received a full copy from the police department on Monday and after Ms. Gatton asked where she could obtain information about the asset forfeiture accounts.

“I asked Deborah Hockett to help me with the comparison of the two files on Tuesday afternoon,” Setzer said. “I notified the town manager and town attorney of the discrepancies we were continuing to find on Wednesday.”

She told Atkins that “any employee can maintain any type of a spreadsheet. The fact that it is maintained does not make it factual or ‘official’. Departments have maintained their own financial information for years as they did not have access to our financial system until we began the implementation of Munis.”

Setzer did not answer Atkins’ question about who knew about the issue – and for how long – before the town board was informed.

Commissioners Frank Rader and Miles Atkins said they learned of the problem mid-week last week – “apparently right after you left (Setzer's) office with the records (on Wednesday),” said Atkins, responding to Report questions today.

Commissioners Mac Herring and Chris Carney were informed by Gambill about the matter late Tuesday night, Sept. 16.

Carney said he had “lengthy conversations with staff” on Wednesday and Thursday “trying to understand exactly what had happened and encouraging us (the town) to be completely honest with any misappropriations that had been found.”

Abraham and Herring commended Town Manager Steve Husemann – who began work here on Sept. 2 – for what Herring called his “proactive approach.”

“He was immediately forthcoming and made the appropriate request to the outside agencies who needed to be involved,” Herring said. “His press release indicates that a new era for a transparent and more openly honest municipal administration has finally arrived here in Mooresville.

“I believe this is the tone being set,” Herring added, “and as a result, many of the concerns and ‘hunker down’ mentality that has plagued us in the past will soon be greatly diminished. It is a new and exciting time for us here in Mooresville, and I am proud to be a part of it.”

Likewise, Abraham said: “Mr. Husemann’s comments in Friday’s media release give me great hope that we will use these negatives in the process to produce a positive result to better the system and make sure that this does not happen in the future in any of our departments.”

Abraham said he feels confident that with the town’s reporting of the potential misappropriations to the U.S. Attorney, “these documents will be well researched for any further misgivings and wrongdoings and then reported to us and the citizens of Mooresville.”

Abraham said the town must continue to look for the investigations to answer many of the unanswered questions. “These investigations must continue, no matter what length of time they take to be complete, so as to be complete and as thorough as possible.

“This does not mean I personally like the amount of time that it is taking,” Abraham said, adding however that he wants “all of the investigations to be vetted to the fullest!!”

When all the results are in, Abraham said, “I will push for any punishment to the letter of the law that is recommended by this investigation.”

When asked his reaction to the recent development in the Cops for Kids investigations, Rader responded: “Not reacting. This is labeled potential and report is in process.”

Carney, however, said: “My reaction was probably the same as the public’s: how could something like this happen?!

“I was very unhappy and further disappointed,” he said. “I asked for a meeting with Mrs. Setzer, Mr. Husemann, and Mr. Gambill to understand what possible laws had been broken and what public statements we were prepared to make.”

Carney said he hopes to “get a better understanding of who in administration knew what (and) when,” regarding the former police chief’s potential misuse of funds.

Both Carney and Atkins are looking beyond the Cops for Kids situation and into the future, attempting to find a way to prevent these kinds of situations from reoccurring.

Carney said he wants commissioners and town staff to “look into what opportunities we have to better implement checks and balances with department budgets.

“As you know,” he said, “the board approves an overall budget and then staff and administration are responsible for maintaining expenses within that budget.”

However, Carney asked: “What happens when a department head has authority to divert expenditures within their budget, or additional funding from outside sources?”

Carney said he believes “many, many meetings will take place in upcoming days and weeks to discuss these two questions!”

A clearly frustrated Atkins added: “Is this symptomatic of a much larger problem throughout the town?”

He said “past incidents involving questionable accounting practices” have made it “obvious” that the town doesn’t have “the oversight nor checks and balances in place.”

He said “the question that begs to be asked is: do we have the right people in the right positions to oversee and account for the financial integrity of the town?

“I would imagine at some point Mr. Husemann will be asking himself that same question,” Atkins said.

160 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well, gosh! I think they are finally getting a taste of how we feel being kept in the dark about things. Of course it doesn't help that a key employee has been on vacation a good part of the time these investigations have been going on. Perhaps that accounts for the oversights. I wonder who approved all that time off? Was it the inept Jackie Moore or the equally inept Erskine Smith? While you're at it Steve, do something about the runaway water/sewer increases we're suffering under. I can't afford $55.00 for a single household water bill. How many of you can??

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

Didn't the Mayor's statement released following the marathon closed session meeting indicate that Ms. Setzer would keep the board informed about the process and the findings? Why did it take Jamie requesting those documents before Town Hall felt a need to update the ToM Board about this event.

Something stinks -- really badly.

Anonymous said...

How many things is this now...that was not brought out  until Ms. Gatton came in to ask for copies?It makes me wonder what else do they know and just have not said, just because "oh You didn't ask THAT"

Anonymous said...

I wish my water bill was $55. Our bill has been in the $70-$90. range. Please do something or I may have to ask CFK for assistance.

Anonymous said...

Well, well, well. It looks like pulling on the Crone plant is exposing more and more of it's root system.

How much ya wanna bet that root system spreads into the the D.A.'s office and the Sheriffs office?

In a TOTALLY unrelated note, I was reading earlier about how much gambling goes on in back rooms. It is unbelievable how much debt people can get into and what they will do to get out of it and to have funds to keep gambling.

Just a little trivia worth sharing. Now back to our issues.

Anonymous said...

What's interesting is that Jaime seems to know more about what is going on. I don't think it is intuition. She is being spoon fed what to ask for from certain people. It will be interesting to see if it is the cop who was recently fired by Crone who is feeding all of this stuff to her.... the one that lives close to or is close friends with Jaime. If it's true, then good for them. But it also begs the question how long this cop knew and if he knew for years, he is culpable too. The jails are plenty big enough for all of them I say.

Anonymous said...

8:03

You don't understand how the system works. When you are part of the system and you try to right a wrong, the powers that be are deep amnd mean.

To begin with you have to know what is going on to report it. There is an inner circle that only a trusted few are allowed into. They are the only ones with the first hand knowledge to have the ability to really get an investigation started. The only way to get into the inner circle is if you are a part of the immoral/illegal activities and are benefiting from them as well. That being the case, you aren't going to report didly shit.

There is always well known knowledge of illegal activities floating around the department from leaks in the inner circle. Well known knowledge and first hand evidence are two different things. You can anonymously report well known knowledge, but without direct evidence nothing will be investigated. Even if investigated, nothing can be proven.

That is why so much corruption flourishes. There have been numerous cases where someone has tried to report illegal activities both at Mooresville and the Sheriffs Office only to have it backfire and result in a demotion or firing. They find another reason, but the true reason remains the same. Everyone in the deopartment is unofficially made aware of the repurcussions that hit the well meaning informant and an example is made.

So, keep your mouth shut and hope they get caught, keep your job. try to report something and get fired or demoted.

When all of this blows up and Crone and Redmond both are muzzled there will be a steady flow of people more than willing to come forward with information.

Anonymous said...

I would like to remind you of two considerations:

1. During the week of July 13, I wrote in the Blog that I believed, at that time,
we were seeing the “tip of the iceberg”, and the size and scope were yet to be determined. Had the Board been awake, and set an investigation in motion, the situation today might be somewhat advanced.

2. Ms. Hockett’s involvement in the confusion/cover-up, should surprise no one. She was, you may remember, the Town Auditor when the $20,000 inventory loss was discovered at the Mooresville Golf Course. That discrepancy has never been explained or resolved.

By the way, I do not believe the surprise and stupidity expressed by the Commissioners, was honest and sincere, with the exception of Mr. Atkins. Thunberg continues his residence on a parallel universe!

Harold

Anonymous said...

I agree Harold that this is all just the tip of the iceburg. I do recall you making a post asking that the County issues not be brought up here and that ToM issues be addressed first.

I believe that the tip of the iceburg, or the root system as I have said are all connected. I don't think many of these people actually like each other, but there is a neccasary alliance to look out for each other. I can't go into details just yet, but there are some great indicaters present.

Someone mentioned criminal enterprise in a previous post. That would be an accurate description.

Anonymous said...

New town manager Husemann should clean house now. While he is at it, he also you stop town taxes being paid for cars and gas for employees and any other benefit he can stop. Tighten the belt. That is what we have to do with the ever rising taxes and water bill. Next election, we the voter should also clean house.

Anonymous said...

8:03 At what point are you going to give up? The writing appears to be on the wall. You are so determined to bad mouth Jamie and her neighbors... no matter where the facts come from or how she gets them they are what they are.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Bill, still hiding under the bed waiting for all those mean bad people to go away. What a pathetic excuse for a leader.

Anonymous said...

A note to the town commisars. When you stick your head in the sand, don't be surprised when you're in the dark.

Anonymous said...

Somebody is telling Jaime which questions to ask and to whom. Why is it so difficult to believe it is the cop that Crone fired just before all of this broke? My guess is that the cop knew about this stuff for some time and is seeking retribution of some sort. Well, it's pretty clear that he knew and never said anything them. He is now using Jaime to do his work. I don't think Jaime is in trouble at all... she is just doing what a blogger is supposed to do. But the guy who is feeding all of this to her instead of going to the authorities, he will end up in as much hot water in my opinion.

Anonymous said...

10:25 your missing my point... why does it matter who gives Jamie her information? It doesn't change the facts that result from the information given.

If that many officers feared Crone and Crone was arrogant enough to fire officers over petty acts that hardly call for termination he should have feared some retaliation. No one like to live in fear of others. No one has any right to make someones life miserable and expect to get away with it.

Perhaps that officer may have suspected but had the burden of proof against him. Jamie can take the information and produce the proof. That is what investigative reporting is all about.

I can suspect all day long that "something is going on".. can I prove it? Do I even know where to begin to prove it? Maybe not.

I think you are very ignorant if you think that the source of Jamie
s information is even relevent.

Karma is a bitch my friend.

Anonymous said...

I'd like to add my 2 cents. 10:25 you said "But the guy who is feeding all of this to her instead of going to the authorities, he will end up in as much hot water in my opinion" which is exactly the reason why IMHO the officer you keep referring to probably had nothing to do with this story at all. I just wanted to add that but I do agree with 10:31 in that it doesn't really matter how she got the information. Either the information is right or it's wrong and that's what we need to be discussing here. So far I haven't heard anybody even say much less show proof that it's wrong.

Anonymous said...

Miles Atkins had better be careful. While he is getting praise from 20, he is rubbing hundreds the wrong way.

Anonymous said...

In that case ... good job Thunberg, Rader, Abraham, and Smith! You guys are fantastic and are so great. I'm very proud of the way you've handled yourselves during this fiasco. We're behind each and every one of you!

Anonymous said...

10:42 Hundreds of crooks? I'm confused :)

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

Again you try to turn the focus away from the responsible party to the one who breaks away from the group. If you are so convinced that the officer recently fired by Crone is the culprit and is so heavily involved, then go and inform the DA so that can be investigated.

However, there are a ton of the so-called disgruntled ex-employees who might have also contacted Jamie about this issue. Who knows, it may even be the lady whose suing the town over discriminatory hiring practices. Or it may be the two town engineers who were fired over their insistance that the CH2M deal was bogus. Or, there may be someone currently in the PD who passed on an anonymous tip.

Regardless, the information requested by Jamie is public information and public record. You can go on the DOJ website and see how much money the Mooresville PD has received since 2000. It's not rocket science.

Anonymous said...

I had to chuckle at this one:

"Miles Atkins had better be careful."

These kinds of pathetic threats used to work in Mooresville - with people WHO HAD NO BALLS.

Bring it on baby. Put your money where your mouth is, you coward. Tell us who you are who is THREATENING one of the few honest people we have voted into office.

You and your ilk are the reasons we are in the mess we are in in Mooresville, you Moral Degenerate.

Anonymous said...

"Miles Atkins had better be careful. While he is getting praise from 20, he is rubbing hundreds the wrong way."
That has got to be the most hilarious thing I've ever read on this blog.Thanks for the good laugh today!!!

Anonymous said...

September 23, 2008 10:54 AM

I agree with you completely. I think the RATS have done what RATS usually do and should be commended for fully supporting the former chief of police in his time of need. I mean, what are friends for?!

Anonymous said...

10:42 am. That sounds awfully like something the "Honorable" mayor of Mooresville would say (usually behind closed doors of course).
Oh, The Great Silent One has spoken at last.

Anonymous said...

The Moron at 10:25 A.M. tells us "But the guy who is feeding all of this to her instead of going to the authorities, he will end up in as much hot water in my opinion."

Geez Louise. More THREATS?! Ooooooh, I am sure all the Deep Throats in town are QUAKING IN THEIR SHOES right now with fear.

Let me get this straight. The people who are blowing whistles right and left (thank God) are INVOLVED in the corruption? Oh yeah that really makes sense.

How about this? They're NOT involved in the corruption. It makes them sick to their stomach. Now there's finally somebody they can trust to go to with it to clean it up. Hmmm. Now that's a little more like it.

You think you can just come along and say "BOO" behind your little computer and the corruption busters will just wilt with fear and melt away? Keep on dreamin'.

For every coward you scare off with your see-through threats, ten will come forward. How do I know? Because I AM ONE OF THEM.

Anonymous said...

You all know those paver bricks that I think Duke University sells to support their athletics department.

I want to buy one of those to place in front of the cells for when they each get to prison, and I want it to simply say,

I told you the clock was Ticking
on your current life, what IF you had just listened.

Compliments of Tic Toc

Now go screw yourself.

I want it placed just out of reach so they cant damage it from within their cell but can see it every single morning when they wake up.

But I would want the money to go to the Washington and Lee University School of Law, American Constitution Society, in honor of the 14th Amendment's Equal protection clause.

Can some one tell me where I can buy a few dozen of these with an option on hundreds more.

I bet the prisons could make them cheap, you know, like license plates.

Anonymous said...

says Tic Toc from his cell. Or are you out on probabtion now?

Anonymous said...

Regarding Bill Thunberg

When I was going up the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasnt thee again today,
I really wish he'd go away.

Anonymous said...

Are you really this dumb or do you work really hard at it. You have not been right about anything yet have you LOL I will get one of those pavers made for you too for when you get there, dont worry, I dont play favorites LOL

Oh but then if your crones wife, I guess you are going federal for tax evassion arent you. I might not be able to get you one in a federal prison, but I tell you what I can do, I can have the same thing written in SKY writing over the prison yard. Maybe the Sheriff can pay the Civil Air Patrol to have it done for me. LOL

Why do you even try LOL

Anonymous said...

Can we add Smith, Rader, & Abraham to this?


Regarding Bill Thunberg

When I was going up the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasnt thee again today,
I really wish he'd go away.

Anonymous said...

Tic Toc, you have been wrong about me from the beginning. You keep trying though. jailbird.
I'm not crone, his wife, or his pastor. I have nothing to win or lose in this.

Anonymous said...

You keep playing with me, and I guess we are going to find out exactly what you do have to lose now arent we.

Anonymous said...

to those that think this is some cooked up job between Jamie and whoever else, well you have to give it a break. The allegations were there, the evidence has substantiated the allegations.

Jamie is a reporter, this is what reporters do, they uncover things. Ever watch whistle blower 9 on WSOC. Same thing here. Just be glad some people are trying to clean up your town. I realize you may not want that because your name will soon wind up in the same category as Crone's.

Anonymous said...

I have nothing to win or lose in this.

Nothing to win or lose, huh? Is that why you spend so much time on this blog ... trying to change the focus of the discussion ... putting your multiple personalities on here ... attempting to trivialize misconduct ... attempting to displace the blame onto Gatton, Green, and the recently fired cop?

Me thinks thou protest too much. Do you have anything to say about the fact that the Board issued a directive to be kept informed, but was not?

Anonymous said...

Hey Tic Tat, what was it that Crone arrested you for?

Anonymous said...

heeeehaw.chirp.chirp.

Anonymous said...

Is that a clue that you were sleeping with farm animals?

Anonymous said...

I'll answer your question about what I think about the Board not being kept informed. I think it stinks. I think they should have been kept informed. I also think that Commissioner Atkins is so far up Jaime's butt that he knows what she had for dinner last night. It is pretty odd how close (or what all the players have in common) all these folks are. Larry Green, Jaime Gatton, Atkins, the fired cop. They are all pretty close to Jaime. They all have scores to settle.

I'm not saying that some of the issues are unsubstantiated. These issues are in the hands of the SBI, DA and US Attorney. If there is something to them, Crone will be arrested and charged. He will then get his day in court to defend, or admit, all the charges.

But, it still begs the question as to why a pastor is spending so much time and energy on this. It also begs the question about why a commissioner (Atkins) talks to town employees, then hangs up and calls Jaime Gatton (the blogger).

There are times when government needs reforming and there are people who are willing to do it. This may be the time to do it. Atkins may be the man to do it. But I will tell you this much. Nobody trusts Atkins any further than they can throw him. In my opinion, he (and Larry) have gone beyond the normal dictates and have become bullies. Imagine that. A pastor and an elected official being bullies? Again, it may be time for it, but those two will be remembered as bullies when this is over.

It's a fine line and it appears to have been crossed. There is no going back now. Those who are corrupt will be routed out. Those that merely made mistakes will suffer consequences. But, I ask you... is it better to point out mistakes and attempt to make change, or is it better to make headline news and bring your enemies down? I don't know what Larry or Atkins ever did to try to bring about constructive change. I fear headlines and bringing down enemies is more important.

It's all about the agenda isn't it?

Anonymous said...

1:59 shut up already! Aren't you pushing your own agenda by worrying yourself to death on how they all know each other? Who the hell cares how they know each other. The fact that they know each other didn't influence the fact that Crone MISUSED FUNDS. Why can't you get that through your head?

Anonymous said...

Half your post is rational and the other have is conspiratorial, are you one of those conspericy therorists, becasue if you are it would explain so much.

WOuld you like me to make you a tinfoil hat, i'll put a swan shape to it to keep your mind occupied while the grown ups talk?

BTW, what did crone arrest me for? Making his wife wet herself? Oh but wait, he would need a badge and the powers of arrest to do that would'nt he?

Crone could not have arrested me, ever. And I already know the next person who will as soon as they realize my offer to help is for real and still on the table.

In the mean time, I will be stacking all your friends and their friends up at the doors to the prison all over the state.

Good Luck and dont forget to put on your hat when you go out today.

Anonymous said...

I noticed that you didnt deny having intimate relations with farm animals. Maybe thats why you are so looney, you took one to many goat hooves to the head?

Anonymous said...

I guess we'll see if Atkins is remembered as a bully.....and if as many people as you say can't stand him.....the next time he runs for office if he chooses to. Just like how we'll find out if Crone is guilty when this is all said and done.I have a feeling you have blinders on and will be very surprised by both results. Like you said though, we'll see.

Anonymous said...

2:21...

chiiiiirp chiiiiirp

Anonymous said...

Now you have done it, I mean really, we have the FBI the Seceret Service, The Postal Inspection Service, The Secretary of State AND his Office of Charitable Trusts, The IRS, The FTC, The US Attorney and her 32 staff, The SBI, An Ex FBI Agent, A Forensic Acounting Firm, The Financce Director and her Surfs, Carney, Atkins, Hussman, No doubt countless lawyers and cops and judges from county city and state and now probably federal and NOW you want me to sick PETA and the DOG CATCHER on you all for threatening to do those vile things to farm animals.

When is enough enough for you, dont make me get Interpol and MI 5 AND 6 involved in this. My god, how much investigating can you all possibly take, I am running out of departments to throw at you, at some point you are going to break.

Maybe the UFOligists could help us explain this to you LOL

For crying out loud he probably violated Bureau of Land Management rules for stealing on a golf course in ugly pants.

WAKE THE F UP!!!

Anonymous said...

2:21


If there are those on here into beastiality you better watch your back JACKASS.

Anonymous said...

Tic Toc was arrested for beastiality?

Anonymous said...

2:38 you are so funny! You are at least giving me someting to chuckle about on this cloudy day.

And yeah.... better watch that back.

Anonymous said...

I see alot of "little man syndrome" going on here. Anonymous posters who were picked on as kids who need to talk tough and can only do so in an anonymous setting.

This place is like a 3 ring circus.

Anonymous said...

Dont say circus around Tic Toc, he gets all excited thinking of the elephants and juggling bears.

Anonymous said...

My name is Tic Toc and all of you work for me. Jaime, Atkins, Green, Crone, Crone's wife. I control all of you, you just don't know it. As for the rest of you, I control you too.... don't mess with me or I will have the Marines on you before you can blink. I'm all knowing and all powerful. Don't even think about questioning me or my motives.

Anonymous said...

It's ok 2:59 we know it's not Tic Toc... you can admit it "little one"

Anonymous said...

Maybe you secretly want Tic Toc? You sure do like to talk about him. It's like when you're a little kid and you want a girls attention but you are so inferior to all of the rest so all you can do is taunt and pick on her to get her to play with you.

Go home to your magazines now little boy.

Anonymous said...

Did I forget to mention the DEA, I mean how many more anal probes could 4800 bucks have bought for them. And I think that we can all agree that anal probes are a necessary part of drug detection,( you never know where they hide that crap) at least more so then crone taking his friends on an all expense paid trip, including his family. I mean really, 21 adults to watch 37 kids. I could see that if the kids were all murders, but they were not, by all accounts some if not most were rich kids.

Anonymous said...

OK, the last one made me laugh out loud... maybe we better get back on track. Don't want anyone to get excited over the thought of an anal probe.

Anonymous said...

I guess it is not going to be the cops that kill me after all, its going to be that nut job LOL Holy crap, what the hell is really wrong with you, did your mommy drop you on your head when you were a baby....twice.

I might have to get a restraining order for you.

Anonymous said...

September 23, 2008 3:13 PM

What in the hell are you talking about now Tic Toc?

Anonymous said...

1:59, I can get what you're saying about a fired cop having a score to settle against the man who fired him, but what score did Atkins have to settle with Crone? You keep making mention about Atkins having a grudge against Crone. What for?

Anonymous said...

I am talking about you being absolutely insane and me needing a restraining order from a district court judge to keep you 100 feet away from me at all times, how many personalities do you have for Christs sake, now you want to be me?

You need help, and you need to get it soon before someone gets hurt.

Little hint for you though, it wont be me, your arms don't reach that far. You lunatic.

Anonymous said...

Did you really just ask someone else how many personalities they had? And you called someone a lunatic???? Now that is funny!

Anonymous said...

Enough of the playground insults; we have real problems in Mooresville and we need answers to these issues. Larry, How is the recall movement progressing?

Anonymous said...

Your right I should say it individually, to each personality, huh.

Anonymous said...

So a pastor is excluded from voicing his personal beliefs and opinions? And for doing so he is a bully? Are you kidding me? I guess you'd say the same about pastors involved in civil rights, women's rights, social reform, welfare reform, and other reform.

And you know for a fact that Atkins gets right on the phone and calls Gatton? How is that?

And neither one has produced ANY positive changes in ANY regard? I think your lack of knowledge and honesty is obvious. Just because someone is willing to speak their mind and stand their ground does not make them a bully.

Anonymous said...

Your right as well, Setzer is the Sgt Shultz of Mooresville. LOL and the council is the hear no evil see no evil monkeys, except a few anyway.

Someone change that song to 2 out of 7 aint bad.

Anonymous said...

In the commissioner's group some of the "great" ones are not always great. Which one gets his house valued and his taxes cut in half at his first town board meeting. Also didn't a lady at the chamber lose her job and guess who got her job. A commissioner's brother.All of them need to be replaced including these two.

Anonymous said...

Oh right, back to the conspiracy regarding Atkins big tax break. I think we dispelled that conspiracy theory by reminding folks that the process for having your home identified as an historical site far pre-dated his campaign and election. So you might want to get your facts straight before you make that accusation.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't matter when he did it. He is an elected official and he did something to cut his taxes in half. Is that ethical, when the rest of us pay our full share of taxes? Does he get 50% of services from the town?

Anonymous said...

It's quite clear that there was no oversight as far as the federal forfeiture money goes. Apparently, no one was looking over Crone's shoulder to make sure that it was being spent properly. He if is at fault, which it appears that he is, there needs to be other heads to roll. Hopefully, this investigation will not end up in file 13 with the election around the corner.

Anonymous said...

What are you made Chief Crone did not get a shot to steal the other 50%, Give me a break

Anonymous said...

September 23, 2008 7:42 PM

Blah blah blah blah

Your "News Flash" got old about the hundredth time you tried to shove it down our throats. Talk about the boy (or gal in this case) that cried wolf too many times.

A house on Academy Street (known for its historic homes) is designated historic. Is this all you got on Atkins? Woop-dee-doo.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Atkins, I know you don't like it when people bring it up, but there it is.... you pay half the taxes the rest of us do. There it is. belittle it all you want, but there it is. Want my respect, pay your fair share.

Anonymous said...

I would say getting your house taxes cut in half, considering you probably put the same or more into restoration, isn't too bad. I would compare that to the amount of money STOLEN from taxpayers by all of these schemes of town employees/commissioners is just a drop in a bucket. I would say Mr. Atkins has done more good than harmfor Mooresville, that is evidenced in the fact they keep him out of the information loop. I can't wait for the full ToM investigation to start, once the US Attorney smells this pile of poop.

Anonymous said...

You dont suppose that that tax break is meant to help the owner of a historical site keep it in good repair for the betterment of the community as a whole do you?

Is there a car in his front yard, cause if there is then we have something to talk about with Mr. Atkins, but until then, Mr. Atkins is taking care of a historical dwelling that we al have agreed we are will for our tax dollars to support.

Are you a real estate appraiser, or broker or worse, a mortgage banker specializing in sub prime mortgages, I bet you are, I can only say thanks for screwing us all out of tax money, now back to your hovel and dont just cut the grass around the car next time, get in there and cut it all.

Anonymous said...

I'll tell you what, I think Mr. Atkins deserves a brand spakin new rose bush for each and every crook he helps to put away, (hope you have a big backyard Mr. Atkins) and a lifetime of bullshit to feed them to symbolize the bullshit these people have spoon feed the taxpayers for a decade while they robbed the city blind. I would be happy to kick in the first one over and above his tax break. We'll call then RedCrone Roses. And sell them at the county fair next year for big bucks for Underprivileged children in Mooresville.

How would that be for you?

Anonymous said...

1.59PM 2:28 PM Sept. 23

I have read your emotional and psychotic ramblings and honestly feel you are one or more of the commissioners, trying to fill the Blog with nonsense in order to turn people, who really care, away from participating with sane information and comments.

After, meeting Rader a few times, it almost sounds like him and with his sly arrogance could probably entice other miscreants to join in the fun. I have met some people who cannot understand how you are allowed to even talk on the blog – but I guess the only thing that saves you is “freedom of speech”. God Bless America.

As far as Miles Atkins is concerned, he is no bully, he has the strength and fortitude to go for information that will enlighten himself and the citizens of Mooresville. It is amazing how some of the employees and Commissioners, make it hard to get the information. We have a memo that Erskine Smith sent to Charlie Roberts that said to make it hard for my husband to get info about the Golf Course. He also stated that he wanted to bring my husband out in the open. My husband was always out in the open. Why do you think they were so worried about his documented findings?.

Now, about Jaime, do you not read her credentials?????. Jaime has always been an investigative reporter since I met her. She has always been truthful, honest and has never violated anyone who received information and gave it to her. She has never received information that she didn’t investigate,

Everyone in Mooresville should appreciate the fact she cares about Mooresville and the citizens.

Now you morons who are suspicious of her --- read her credentials at the beginning of her blog and if you are not satisfied with what is there – do some research of your own.

God Bless Jaime


Kay

Anonymous said...

Certain officials’ actions/inactions have further fueled the public's suspicions instead of allay them. Even more disturbing is the word out in the community that there has been an attempt to cow the commissioners who have actually been open and honest with the public and who have demanded accountability from staff. We want to know if this is true and if so, exactly who is trying to discourage commissioners from being open with the public.

Anonymous said...

Dear 8:22, a bit of pent up anger, huh? jeez. I'm beginning to think there are alot of unhappy people in Mooresville who need ANYTHING to lash out on. Now, it's mortgages. ha ha ha ha .... get a life.

Anonymous said...

Dear dear Kay.... get a clue. Wake up and look around you. Ask yourself why an elected official, a pastor, a fired cop and an investigative reporter are all so tight. Why would I ask myself about jaime's credentials? I don't care if she is employed, unemployed, doing this as a hobby or what. Again, she's just doding her job. There's nothing wrong with asking what the relationships are.

And by the way, I am not a commissioner or any other elected, appointed or municipally employed individual in Mooresville. Just calling a spade a spade.

Anonymous said...

9:49 Pee Pee, you're funny, just not in a good way. keep beating your head against the wall.

Anonymous said...

To 9:20...
That would be THE MAYOR.
In answer to your question as to who would discourage the few of the commissioners who were and are still demanding honest answers. Just watch him.
He moved the Cops for Kids discussion to closed session the moment it came before the Board. Woosh, and it was under the rug for a while. Mr. Atkins & Mr. Herring had already demanded answers, and the Mayor effectivly silenced them. He still does. He cuts off these 2 and anyone else who follows a line of thought he disapproves of.
The best way to put some distance from a contorversy is not to discuss it, and it will go away.
Perhaps the contoversy of Mayor Thunberg will go away too, in 2007.

Anonymous said...

Uh Ha

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Uh Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha LOL

Opps, guess you all really screwed the pooch on this one, huh

Uh Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

Uh Huston, we have a problem!

Tic Toc



Public corruption is one of the FBI’s top investigative priorities—behind only terrorism, espionage, and cyber crimes. Why? Because of its impact on our democracy and national security. Public corruption can affect everything from how well our borders are secured and our neighborhoods protected…to verdicts handed down in courts…to the quality of our roads and schools. And it takes a significant toll on our pocketbooks, too, siphoning off tax dollars. Learn more here about our national program and local investigations.



For the FBI, public corruption continues to be our top criminal priority. Right now, we have more than 2,500 pending cases—an increase of 50 percent from 2003. And during the past two years alone, our work with our partners has led to the conviction of more than 1,800 government officials.

Anonymous said...

Dear 10:26, this is 2008. Probably just a typo, but figured I would let you know.

Anonymous said...

Tic Toc, you are one obsessed sick puppy.

Anonymous said...

Have you stumbled across evidence of dishonesty in government and don’t know what to do about it?

Then please go straightaway to reportcorruption.fbi.gov, a new easy-to-remember web address announced on Thursday by Director Mueller in a speech in San Diego.

There you will find details on how to share tips with us—either by phone or through the Internet. Our analysts will take it from there, reviewing your information and making sure it is acted on as quickly as possible.

Why this call for tips? Two reasons:

First, public corruption is the FBI’s highest criminal priority—because of its potential impact on our national security (think of a bribe that lets a terrorist slip across our border or lets drugs flow into our cities), on our pocketbooks (an estimated 10 percent of government funds is lost to corruption and fraud every year), and on our way of life (everything from our trust in government to whether or not a local school gets built).

Second, many of our cases start with a tip from someone who encounters corruption. We’re grateful for every lead we get...and want you to know where to turn and how to provide information. For example, when we created a telephone hotline for corruption tips related to the rebuilding of areas devastated by Hurricane Katrina, some 2,500 calls poured in, helping us launch more than 400 cases.

Anonymous said...

Did Tic Toc say something in his last post about screwing a pooch? I thought that violated your parole?

Anonymous said...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Get a load of this! LOL You boys are really screwed LOL




Remarks prepared for delivery by
Robert S. Mueller, III
Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation
City Club of San Diego
San Diego, California
May 11, 2006

Good afternoon, and thank you, Mayor Sanders, for that kind introduction. It is an honor to receive the key to this great city, and I am pleased to join you here today.

I would like to thank San Diego County Sheriff Bill Kolender for being here. He is a true legend in California law enforcement.

I understand that his Undersheriff, Bill Gore, could not be here today. It is a sign of the great relationship the FBI has with local law enforcement that the Undersheriff is the former Special Agent in Charge of the FBI San Diego office.

And I would like to thank San Diego Police Chief Bill Landsdowne for being here as well. Bill and I worked together when we were both in the Bay area. The FBI could not do its job without our partners in law enforcement around the country. Indeed, we have some of our best partners right here in San Diego.

Later today, I will be visiting with the men and women of the FBI’s San Diego field office. It is an outstanding group, and they are working hard to protect the security of this region.

National security concerns, such as counterterrorism, counterintelligence, and cyber attacks, are the top priorities of the FBI and of our San Diego office. Because of the work done by state and local law enforcement, the FBI, and our federal and international partners, the United States is much safer today than it was five years ago.

But as we approach the five-year anniversary of the September 11 terrorist attacks, we must not become complacent about the threats we face. Recent arrests in terrorism cases in Georgia, New York, and last fall up the road in Torrance, California, demonstrate that the threat is still real. Preventing another terrorist attack on the United States remains the FBI’s top priority.

Today, however, I am going to focus on another threat that has hit home here and in many other communities around the country—public corruption.

The vast majority of public officials—both elected and non-elected—are honest in their work and committed to serving their fellow citizens. Unfortunately, a small percentage abuse the public trust. As anyone who follows the news is aware, there are countless examples of corrupt acts around the country.

For a nation built on the rule of law, and faith in a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, we can and should do better.

I want to talk today about how the FBI is engaged in the fight against public corruption, the impact our program is having nationally, and how we can continue to work together toward better government and a more secure United States.

To see how focused the FBI is on public corruption, one need look no further than here in San Diego.

As many of you are no doubt aware, the FBI has played an active role in several recent and ongoing investigations of public corruption. Just last year, a city council member was convicted on federal public corruption charges. A jury found that the politician conspired with an owner of an adult entertainment club to ease restrictions on such clubs.

Also last year, former Congressman Duke Cunningham pled guilty to accepting $2.4 million in return for helping defense contractors secure Pentagon contracts.

Even more recently, five members of the San Diego Retirement board were indicted. As alleged in that indictment, they engaged in a scheme to defraud the citizens of San Diego of their right to honest services.

San Diego is not alone. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Chicago, Illinois; Dallas, Texas; Tennessee; and Connecticut are just some of the cities and states in which we have seen significant investigations and prosecutions.

Nor are we in the FBI immune. In 2002, a former FBI special agent was sentenced to 10 years in prison for protecting a source who committed numerous crimes, including murder.

Public corruption is not just an American problem, of course. It plagues many countries around the world.

Although the FBI cannot fight public corruption in other countries, we can help those who do. Our International Law Enforcement Academy in Budapest, Hungary, and our National Academy, here in the United States, provide critical training to foreign law enforcement officers. That training promotes the growth of stable governments and respect for the rule of law.

It is a struggle for many countries. I recently met with the Attorney General of the Dominican Republic, who has made rooting out public corruption in his country a priority. He said that when he first started prosecuting these cases, a defendant approached him. The defendant said, “If you are intent on prosecuting public corruption in the Dominican Republic, you are going to need a stadium to hold all the defendants.”

To which the Attorney General replied, “I have a stadium, and I am going to do my best to fill it.”

We do not need a stadium here in the United States, but the problem of public corruption is significant. And we in the FBI are responding.

Since 9/11, we have had to prioritize how we use our resources, placing our national security programs first. But at the same time, we made public corruption our top criminal investigative priority.

We did this because public corruption is different from other crimes. It does not just strike at the heart of good government—it can strike at the security of our communities and our nation.

Last year, we ran an investigation in Tucson, Arizona, called “Operation Lively Green.” The investigation exposed serious corruption along our southern border. Fifty current and former U.S. soldiers and law enforcement officers pled guilty to accepting $650,000 in bribes. They conspired to smuggle cocaine, drug money, and illegal immigrants across our borders.

If public officials violate their oath to uphold the law by smuggling drugs or humans, where would they draw the line? For the right price, would they assist terrorists to smuggle a bomb into the country, or help terrorist operatives cross the border?

In this way, public corruption can permeate all aspects of society, and as well affect national security. Corrupt officials can allow organized crime to operate with impunity, allow drugs to flow into our cities, and even allow terrorists to enter the country.

Public corruption is a betrayal of the public’s sacred trust. It erodes public confidence and undermines the strength of our democracy. Unchecked, it threatens our government and our way of life.

That is why I believe it belongs as our top criminal investigative priority. And that is why, more than ever, the FBI must be actively engaged in combating public corruption.

Rooting out corruption is exceptionally difficult, but it is a mission for which the FBI is singularly situated. We have the skills to conduct necessary undercover operations and the ability to perform electronic surveillance. But more than that, we have insulation from political pressure.

Investigating public corruption is an FBI commitment as old as the Bureau itself. When the FBI was founded in 1908, its responsibilities included the investigation of land fraud, which often involved public corruption. The first head of the Bureau, Stanley Finch, took great pride in this line of work. He wrote, “I am always particularly glad to see brought to justice a person guilty of wrongdoing by injuring persons who it was his sworn duty as a government officer to protect.”

Given what is at stake, today’s FBI must have that same dedication—and we do.

Since 2001, when we marked public corruption as our top criminal priority, we have significantly increased the number of special agents working these cases. As a result, we are seeing tremendous returns on that investment.

We now have approximately 2,200 public corruption cases pending nationwide. Indictments are up 40 percent. And in the last two years, FBI investigations have led to the conviction of more than 1,000 government employees involved in corrupt activities.

Some of these cases are well-known examples of public corruption:

The former governor of Illinois, George Ryan, was convicted of a pattern of fraud committed while in office. Former Washington lobbyist Jack Abramoff pled guilty to conspiracy, mail fraud, and tax evasion. He will have to pay more than $26 million in restitution.

For every scheme on Abramoff’s scale, there are many more cases that involve less money, but are no less a violation of the public trust. In Baltimore, two police officers were convicted of robbing drug dealers. In Alabama, a police chief pled guilty to shaking down motorists.

It does not matter if it is a big city or a small town. It does not matter if it is millions of dollars or just hundreds of dollars. There is no level of “acceptable corruption.” The violation of the oath of office is the same.

These investigations do not tell the whole story. The more we uproot public corruption, the more we drive reform throughout all levels of government.

Let me give you a couple of examples. Last year, we arrested five Tennessee state legislators. They were charged with accepting $146,000 in bribes. This investigation spurred sweeping ethics reform in the state of Tennessee.

And in Philadelphia, multiple city officials and contractors were convicted of mail fraud, money laundering, and extortion. In response, the citizens of Philadelphia voted to amend the city charter, enacting some of the nation’s strictest ethics laws.

Now is the time to build on this momentum.

Our most important partner in this fight is you the public. The support the FBI receives from our partners in federal, state, and local law enforcement is valuable. But our most important asset truly is the American public.

Many of our investigations start with a tip from someone who encounters corruption. There is a growing intolerance by the American people of public corruption—an intolerance reflected in the willingness to come forward and report abuse of public office. We are always grateful for those who have come forward to report corruption. That information is critical to our work.

Unfortunately, for many reasons, corruption is not always reported. Some may fear retribution at work or in business. Others may be indifferent, thinking that corruption is just the cost of doing business. Still others may not know to whom they should turn.

Because of this, we are working to make it easier for the public to report public corruption.

In the wake of Hurricane Katrina, we set up a telephone hotline to receive tips about public corruption related to the rebuilding of New Orleans. We received 2,500 calls, initiated more than 400 investigations, and have already netted a public official who allegedly extorted a kickback of $100,000.

The tip line was successful because people knew where to direct their information. We want to replicate that success nationwide. We have established a website to enable the public to send information about public corruption to the FBI. The website is reportcorruption.fbi.gov.

When you type in that address, you will see a page that gives you instructions on how to report corruption to the FBI—by phone or through the Internet. Our analysts will then review that information case-by-case and ensure there is follow-up.

Through this website, and with help from the public, we will continue to build on our efforts to root out public corruption.

Theodore Roosevelt once said, “Unless a man is honest, we have no right to keep him in public life.” That sentiment is as true today as it was in Roosevelt’s time.

We are fortunate to live in a country where public corruption is the exception, rather than the rule. But we must never relax our efforts against those who betray the public trust.

Public corruption, unfortunately, will never be totally eradicated. But the will of the American people to fight it, so as to preserve our freedoms and protect our democracy, is strong. And the FBI stands committed to working with the citizens of this great country, this great city, and our partners in law enforcement to ensure that public servants serve the public good.

Thank you.



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Anonymous said...

Come on Tic Toc, post some more...

Please.

Tic Toc, I'm glad you posted the links to the FBI corruption report site. Unfortunately, the sewing club does not want to report anything. They just want to chat about it on a blog. All talk.

Anonymous said...

9/23/08, 5:53
I am single and mine's that high!!

Anonymous said...

9/23 8:22
Jamie is a talented journalist who stands on her own two feet. While it is probably true that most investigative journalists do receive tips from inside and outside the circles you describe, I can tell you I don't think she'd dirty her hands with infiltration.
She has too much integrity for that.
Most of us are interested in truth. I think that is what motivates her and I admire her greatly.

Anonymous said...

CRACKING DOWN ON PUBLIC CORRUPTION
Why We Take It So Seriously...and Why It Matters To You

06/20/05

Dan O'brienIt's #4 in our top 10 list of investigative priorities—following counterterrorism, espionage, and cyber. Why do we rank it so highly? What are we doing to stop it? For the answers to these questions and more, we talked with Supervisory Special Agent Dan O'Brien, chief of our Public Corruption and Government Fraud program at FBI Headquarters.

Q: Why's the FBI so concerned about public corruption?
Dan: Two main reasons. First, it strikes at the core of what our country's about. Our democracy depends on a healthy, efficient, and ethical government—whether it's in the courtroom or the halls of Congress. Second, public corruption can have a direct impact on national security. For example, in a recent case in Arizona, 26 current and former department of motor vehicles (DMV) employees were indicted for taking cash bribes for fake driver's licenses, ID cards, and even a hazmat license. What if it's a terrorist trying to get one of those licenses? We've also seen bribes paid at our borders to let drugs come into the country. Again, what if a bribe lets a terrorist get through?

Q: What kinds of crimes are involved?
Dan: They run the gamut. Embezzlement. Voter fraud. Subsidy fraud. Illegal kickbacks. For example, a health inspector might threaten to report code violations unless a restaurant owner pays a bribe. Or a government official might award a contract in exchange for free work on his home or some other favor.

Q: What are you doing to stop public corruption?
Dan: Plenty. We've got a strong national program with agents in place around the nation dedicated to the issue. In our investigations, we use every tool we've got—our cyber capabilities, our surveillance skills, our ability to track financial dealings around the world. Last year, we opened over 900 cases, which led to over 650 convictions or guilty pleas. We're also proactive. We've got analysts specifically trained to uncover corruption, and our agents always have an eye out for new and evolving angles. We’ve got a new initiative to identify DMV employees nationwide who issue fraudulent IDs for bribes and kickbacks. And we’re working with state governments to identify fraud and ways to prevent it.

Q: Does public corruption really have an impact on people's lives?
Dan: Absolutely. Public corruption can take funding away from your child's school and even prevent your street from being re-paved. Police who take bribes endanger your neighborhood. And guess who ultimately foots the bill for these crimes? We all do...through higher taxes. The Government Accountability Office estimates that at least 10 percent of the funding for federal government programs is lost to public corruption and government fraud every year. We're talking tens of billions of dollars.

Q: Last question: what should people do if they come across evidence of public corruption activities?
Dan: By all means, call us! If you don't want to give your name, leave an anonymous tip.

Anonymous said...

Oh my god I cant believe how FUBAR'ed you all are LOL



Robert S. Mueller, III
Director
Federal Bureau of Investigation

American Bar Association Litigation Section Annual Conference
Washington, D.C.
April 17, 2008



The FBI and Public Corruption

I want to turn to public corruption for a moment. Unfortunately, the private sector has by no means cornered the market on greed.

Public corruption is our top criminal priority, for the simple reason that it is different from other crimes. Corruption does not merely strike at the heart of good government. It may strike at the security of our communities.

The vast majority of public officials are honest in their work. They are committed to serving their fellow citizens. Unfortunately, some have abused the public trust.

We have more than 2,500 pending public corruption investigations—an increase of more than 50 percent since 2003. In the past five years, the number of agents working public corruption cases also has increased by more than 50 percent. We have convicted more than 1,800 federal, state, and local officials in the past two years alone.

For a nation built on the rule of law—and on faith in a government of the people, by the people, and for the people—we can and should do better. Ultimately, democracy and corruption cannot co-exist.

The FBI is uniquely situated to address public corruption. We have the skills to conduct sophisticated investigations. But more than that, we are insulated from political pressure. We are able to go where the evidence leads us, without fear of reprisal or recrimination.

Many of our investigations are well known. Others may be familiar only to local residents, but they are no less important.

For example, 22 individuals from the Robeson County Sheriff’s Office in North Carolina have pled guilty to drug conspiracy, racketeering, and fraud.

A state legislator from Georgia pled guilty last month to laundering what he believed to be proceeds from the sale of cocaine.

And a long-term undercover operation in Arizona snared nearly 70 military and law enforcement personnel for accepting hundreds of thousands in bribes. These individuals conspired to smuggle cocaine, drug money, and illegal immigrants across our southern border.

But if you would sell your oath and your honor for drug money, where does one draw the line? For the right price, would such individuals permit terrorist operatives to enter the country?

In the end, it does not matter if the corruption is national or local. It does not matter if it is millions of dollars, or merely hundreds. There is no level of acceptable corruption. The violation of trust is the same. The damage to the taxpayers is the same.

We must continue to dedicate the resources necessary to investigate public corruption. For if we in the FBI do not handle such cases, no one will.

Anonymous said...

Public Corruption - FBI's Top Criminal Priority

Washington, DC - Combating public corruption is the top criminal program investigated by the FBI. Over the last two years, FBI investigations have lead to the conviction of more than 1,060 government employees involved in corrupt activities, to include 177 federal officials, 158 state officials, 360 local officials and more than 365 police officers. The FBI's highly sensitive public corruption investigations focus on all levels of government. No other law enforcement agency has attained the kind of success the FBI has achieved in combatting corruption. This success is due largely to the cooperation and coordination from a number of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to combat public corruption. These partnerships include, but are not limited to the Department of Justice, Agency Offices of Inspector General; law enforcement agencies' Internal Affairs Divisions; Federal, State and local law enforcement and regulatory investigative agencies; and state and county prosecutor's offices.

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

11:04pm says: Unfortunately, the sewing club does not want to report anything. They just want to chat about it on a blog. All talk

I did contact the FBI to share my concerns with them. And I also contacted the DA to share my concerns about Rader's presentations to the officers. Now look what's happening -- the feds are coming in. Maybe more of us contacted them than you realize. Have you conctacted the DA about the recently fired officer you've accused of being so heavily involved in all of this? Nah, you just want to talk about it.

You've made the following accusations against Atkins: he unlawfully benefitted financially from his home receiving status as an historical site, that he provides others with some sort of magic questions to ask, and that he is not pulling his fair share with taxes. Have you any evidence to back up those allegations? If so, send them to the DA and let the DA handle them, unless all you're really interested in in idle chit chat and stirring up trouble.

I find it immensely humorous that you are more concerned about what you perceive to be a close connection between an elected person, a pastor, a journalist, and a fired cop -- because there is no connection. Unless you can show one. I think you're spewing rumors in an attempt to overshadow the reality of the corruption and the lack of leadership in the ToM.

Now that our assertions have been shown to be true, your next attack method goes back to attempting to throw a bit of mud. Much like your empty assertions, I'm sure each of us can easily handle whatever dirt you may want to throw. We don't have to stoop to that level of conduct, becuase when you are right, there's no need to defend yourself.

Come backto the discussion when you have something substantive to contribute other than this trivial bull you've been posting all day.

I'm sure NM has better things to do with her time, just like David does, Crone does, Rader does, and Absentee Mayor does.

We continue to work on obtaining signatures to force a referendum vote to force the town to insert recall terminology into the town chater. I've not received a total on the #s collected so far, but I know we're going to need additional help with going door to door to get this complete. Let me know if you're interested.

Anonymous said...

This community is loudly and clearly demanding benevolent, effective and visionary leadership, unsaddled by suspicion and mistrust. Whether she intended to or not, Ms. Gatton has become the voice of a people, the conscience of a government. The talisman has been broken, the winds of change are here at last, and they have stunned the establishment. The courageous and thorough reporting of the Gatton Report has taken this community by storm, and there is no going back. Once we know, we can never not know again.

Night Owl

Anonymous said...

Larry, you may want to head back to school for reading comprehension. No one accused Atkins of unlawfully doing anything. He was asked if he thought it was right or ethical to pay only 50% of the taxes that the rest of us do. It was never stated that it was illegal, just immoral for an elected official to find a loophole to cut his taxes in half. This lesson in reading comprehension was brought to you free of charge.

Anonymous said...

9:49PM 9/23/08

Dear Anonymous:

I read your kind remarks, and beg to differ with you. I am afraid your “spade is a spade” is really “a spade is a club”’ I play cards and know a club has the lowest value of the cards.

I think you fail to realize

1. Miles Atkins has probably read the blog and uses it as means of finding out what is going on in town.
2. I believe, you previously asserted, about Jaime, that “ they are up her a-s”. Well buddy boy/girl, if that is possible, we would all be there. There are many, many people who believe in Jaime, and NOW Miles (who has shown he is for the citizens). The tide is turning and it is about time.

I am not going to make this a useless battle of words but felt you deserved an answer
I know I am getting up in years, but sonny (honey?), I am quite awake and really know what is going on as I have been there, done that.

Kay

Anonymous said...

To: 8:33 and any other douchbag on this BLOG:

Try finding something worth crying over. Get a freaking life.

If it bothers you so damn bad, go buy a house in a historical district and spend money keeping it up so you can get a tax deduction. Otherwise SHUT THE HELL UP!

So what if he is an elected official. Should he be entitled to any less breaks than the average citizen?

Should he have to pay more than anyone else in the same situation because he is an elected official who has to listen to suffer through the incessant bitching and moaning of whiny babies like yourself?!!!

Apparently "elected" Atkins has taken a stand against the "elected" douchbags of Mooresville and YOU DON"T LIKE IT!

Good news... the proctologist called and...

THEY FOUND YOUR HEAD! Shut the hell up already. I am so damn sick of people from the crooked side of the tracks coming on here and nit-picking at meaningless trivia in an attempt to fog up the view.

Here's the view; there is and has been corruption in this county for as long as anyone alive can remember. Now there are people who are finally making a difference. This isn't the first attempt. This is just the first successful attempt.

It has reached the point where no amount of BULSHIT, WHINING, MUDSLINGING, NAME CALLING or SMOKEBLOWING will turn it around.

In conclusion...

Chiiiiirp, chiiiiirp bitch!


Time Traveler

Anonymous said...

I wonder what your opinion on the situation would be if it was Erskine Smith who got a tax break on his house?

Anonymous said...

8:33: I decided I wasn't done...

The reason I read and post on this BLOG is to be a part of the investigation into local government corruption. I share what information I have and see what others have researched.

Thanks to dipshits like you, I have to wade through a bunch of childish posts while you and others try to assainate Tic Toc and anyone who is diligently working to get to the bottom of issues.

There has been PLENTY of evidence to back up the allegations of wrongdoing.

It is also obvious that several officials are trying to bury this whole thing or at least delay it long enough to let things simmer down.

Those crooked officials and people like you need to start your own BLOG since your rhetoric has such a different purpose and direction.

How about...

THE WHINY BABY, WE KNOW WE'RE WRONG,BUT WE ARE GOING TO KEEP BRAYING LIKE A BUNCH OF JACKASSES UNTIL THE DAY OF SENTENCING REPORT.

The ship is going down and Crone is at the helm. However he ain't gonna be all calm and go down with the ship like on the Titanic.

Nope, he's going to be stepping on the head of everybody involved in an effort to stay on top. That is how dictators do when they lose their control and the mob is headed for the castle.

You and others who get on here and try to argue over petty and many times fabricated statements are only trying to delay the day.

Let me know when you start THE WHINY BABY, WE KNOW WE'RE WRONG,BUT WE ARE GOING TO KEEP BRAYING LIKE A BUNCH OF JACKASSES UNTIL THE DAY OF SENTENCING REPORT.

If I ever need a dose of bullshit, I'll log on.

Time Traveler.

Anonymous said...

9:13 Your lip is trembling and it is obvious you are about to go tell Mommy. What if Erskine....sniff sniff, waaaaahh!

I wouldn't give a flying f@*@ if the devil got a LEGAL tax break.

Please write the following sentence 100 times:

This BLOG is about ILLEGAL ACTIVITY!!!!!!

Dumbass. Good golly miss molly the stupidity is freaking endless. You have got to be dictating this to someone who is typing for you. There is NO way you could be finding the letters and putting them in the proper sequence yourself.

I have grass in my yard that is more comprehending than you are. My dog has enough sense to know when she is wrong. Been that way since she was 6 months old.

I didn't know they had computer access in mentally challenged daycare facilities. (This is no cut on those who are actually mentally challenged, only THOSE PEOPLE WHO PRETEND TO BE!)

WTF have you been smoking? Do your friends call you burnout, but you can't remember why?

Geez Louise! Start your own group already, the CRYING CLUB, the BLAME GAME, GIVE A PASS TO THE CORRUPT JACKASS.

Just go away. Your stupidity is mind numbing.

Time Traveler

Anonymous said...

Hey Time Traveler. Did you hear the reason Tic Toc got arrested?

Anonymous said...

Did anybody hear that? At 9:50 it sounded like a little voice saying " I'm a dumbass."

Must have been my imagination.

Anonymous said...

It wouldn't be an issue if it were designated as historical.

An owner of a historical home, from my understanding, has to abide by several rules with regards to maintaining the home. Which is why they get the tax break you idiot. Not to mention the sheer amount of money it must take to maintain an older home in todays economy. I'm sure the tax break doesn't even allow someone to break even.

Anonymous said...

Time Traveler apparently can't debate because he resorts to typical schoolyard bullying tactics. Most likely the result of how he was treated as a child. Nice, huh, telling me and anyone that disagrees with him to shut the hell up. :-) Get a life Time Traveler. You may want to move out of your mother's basement too.

Anonymous said...

Awwwwww someone started questioning Jaime's "BFF" Miles Atkins and all the little puppets are getting upset. Thats so sweet. I just hope Miles remembers that it will take more than 25 votes to get re-elected.

Anonymous said...

Time Traveler, you and Tic Toc sure do share the same temper. I think you are one and the same. Better watch it, you might burst a blood vessel.

Anonymous said...

Jaime, Kay, Miles, Time Traveler, Tic Toc, Larry, the fired cop..... don't they make a great group together? Tic Toc, is the "convict or ex-con they all work for". Time Traveler is the "enforcer". Larry is the "savior". Kay is the mother figure. Jaime is the "mouth". Miles is the "politician". It's like a bad tv show.

Anonymous said...

Have I explained deceptive trade practices to you all yet when A conspiracy of two or more people are involved. LOL And god forbid those two people where badges, LOL

9:50, I really do think you are a danger to society and to me, so here is the deal, as I have said, I do not have ANY police protection available to me and have not for years, so here is what is going to happen, I am going to find out who you are, and then for the rest of your life, by destroying your life, I will be able to keep tabs on you, because I really do think you are nuts and a danger to me personally, but keep this in mind, I will defend myself and protect myself much more viciously then the average guy will because of the lack of police protection, so you need to be very carefull what you say on here as I believe you are going to try to hurt me in some way or even kill me, so if you were in my position how would you respond to your dumb ass.

You are coming dangerously close to a line you will never for the rest of your life be able to come back from.

Tic Toc

Anonymous said...

Tic Toc, I am not the poster at 9:50, but I would love to be in court the day you try to get a court order about this. The judge will laugh you out of the courtroom. Just look at all the threats you have made. Do you think any judge will give you the rights to find out who he/she is?

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

You are psychotic.

Anonymous said...

10:00, 10:02, 10:03...

No, that actually wasn't upset you saw there or a temper. Once again your perception and knowledge of facts is way off.

That was entertainment for me, my chuckle for the day. I was grinning the whole time I was typing.

I believe you consider yourself most important if you think I'm going to let a couple of morons from a BLOG ruin my day.

You idiots don't discuss, you are here to argue. You throw up statements that are so obviously and blatantly wrong that you yourself can't possibly believe them.

It is a smokescreen, an online diversion in an attempt to slow down the process that is inevitably going to sweep you and you crooked ass friends out of public positions and very possibly into legal problems.

No amount of heckling or antagonizing is going to change that.

So don't patronize yourself. You didn't drag me down to your level. Lose the smugness in your comments bitch. You didn't get anything from me! Things are going the right direction and I'm happy.

Time Traveler

Anonymous said...

Paranoid schizophrenia = Tic Toc

Anonymous said...

Tic Toc...

This fool hasn't said one thing constrctive, just childish taunts. Don't bother answer him. He'll go away if ignored. That will leave more room for constructive posts with information.

Unless you're just having fun with him... let it go.

"The Enforcer"

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

Part of reading comprehension is putting things into context. Well, at least it is in many school systems and in institutions of higher education. So you may want to go back to your 6:53 post which asks (I think it's a questions, but generally there is a question mark at the end of questions -- regardless this is what you typed): Which one gets his house valued and his taxes cut in half at his first town board meeting.

As described, this would be an illegal activity for which he could be arrested. The implication you made was not an ethics questions, but rather a legal question. The same applies to the second part of your post at 6:53 which asks about the brother of a board mameber being hired. Those are laws specifically covered by the general statutes - which are available online to any citizen.

This analytical reading lesson brought to you free of charge.

Anonymous said...

I am any way shape of form having fun with him, I believe him to be a danger to me personally and I am going to remove that danger as fast as possible.

To the FBI and SBI, go get him before he attempts to harm me. I told you what I am doing is a danger to me, and this is the case in point. This jackass probably wears a badge.

Find him before I do, he is in violation of 14-196 and needs to be arrested right now. If I find him I will ruin him to the point of being destitute and homeless or in prison for the rest of his life. Personally, I would rather do it, but I am trying to be legal. But I will if you wont.

Anonymous said...

Somebody please go by and remind Crone of his right to remain silent. Does he think we're too stupid to see through his BS in the Tribune today?

Hello, I'm John Crone: I called he federal government to make sure -- but I don't remember who I spoke to, when, or what department -- you're just going to have to trust me -- I called to make sure I could violate policies by using the forfeiture funds for my trips

Anonymous said...

Hi Larry,

I was not the poster at 6:53. Believe it or not, there are more than just one of us here that don't believe in you. I will cut you slack because we're all posting as anonymous and I apologize for that. No way for you to know. Again, it was not me.

Have a great day Larry, and I do mean that.

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

Thanks for the clarification. Sorry for getting you confused.

Anonymous said...

Dear 10:45, fortunately, the Federal Government would keep records like that. So, the US Attorney will be working with the Department of Justice on this to figure it out.

Anonymous said...

well, there you have it! Crone say's he isn't guilty of any wrongdoing. Let's all close up and go home.

Anonymous said...

Bcause I am sure a phone call is all it took! Wake the hell up.

Anonymous said...

Using the Sherman Act as a guide, the North Carolina General Assembly passed laws in 1913 to limit monopolies and trusts. General Statute 75-1 states that "every contract, combination in the form of trust or otherwise, or conspiracy in restraint of trade or commerce in the State of North Carolina is hereby declared to be illegal." Violation of the statute is a criminal felony.

If North Carolina's statute only prohibited monopolies, it wouldn't be of much use ("trust busting" on a state level isn't very common). These days very few legal actions are filed under the state statute to regulate monopolies and trusts. In addition to regulating monopolies, though, our state law also declares as unlawful "unfair methods of competition in or affecting commerce, and unfair or deceptive acts or practices in or affecting commerce." Although this portion of the statute is not a criminal offense, the statute provides specific relief to injured parties.

The real muscle behind the unfair or deceptive trade practices statute is the civil remedy. Any person or business injured or destroyed by unfair or deceptive trade practices can sue the perpetrator. To prevail on such a claim, a party must show the following:

1.

an unfair or deceptive act or practice, or an unfair method of competition,
2.

in or affecting commerce,
3.

which proximately caused actual injury to the party or to his business.

If the injured party is awarded damages, the statute automatically trebles, or triples, the damages. The statute even allows a judge to require the unsuccessful side to pay the attorney's fees of the prevailing party.

Because "unfair methods of competition" and "unfair or deceptive trade practices" take so many forms, the statute makes no attempt to list all instances. Instead, courts have held that the existence of unfair acts and practices must be determined from the circumstances of each particular case. As a matter of practice, acts are usually found to be unfair and deceptive when they offend established public policy or are immoral, unethical, oppressive, unscrupulous, or injurious to consumers. Questions as to whether or not the perpetrator intended certain consequences or acted in good or bad faith are irrelevant. The relevant question is what effect the conduct has on the consuming public.

As described above, no precise list of unfair and deceptive acts can be created because each case must be judged on its own facts. However, certain categories of behavior have been found to violate the statute in past cases:

*

Fraud or misrepresentation in a commercial setting.
*

Situations in which competitors divide up a territory in order to minimize competition.
*

Unfair and deceptive acts and practices in the insurance industry.
*

Deceiving creditors to extend credit to an individual who is not creditworthy.
*

Libeling or slandering someone else's product or business activities.
*

The "passing off" of one's goods as those of a competitor.
*

Wrongful interference with another's contracts.
*

Systematic overcharging of customers.

In an ordinary unfair or deceptive trade practices case, the jury is responsible for determining whether or not the alleged acts were committed. Following this determination, the court must decide as a question of law whether or not the proven facts constitute an unfair or deceptive trade practice

Anonymous said...

Fraud or misrepresentation in a commercial setting.

John Crones and Phil Redmonds Frauds took place in commercial settings every time they went into a business to collect money based on lies that it would benefit the DARE Program. It did not benefit the DARE program, it benefited them personally.

*

Situations in which competitors divide up a territory in order to minimize competition.

Check there lists of donors, I am sure you will find very little overlap in the names on those lists, the two of them conspired to not step on each others toes. They are competitors in raising funds. They talked everyday on the phone to share information and if anyone thinks they did not laugh and joke about who was paying and who was not, they are mistaken.
*

Unfair and deceptive acts and practices in the insurance industry.

They are OK here as they are not an insurance company.
*

Deceiving creditors to extend credit to an individual who is not creditworthy.

They are ok here too as they only wanted case and not credit.
*

Libeling or slandering someone else's product or business activities.

Lets just say that NCCops called in to Mooresville or the county and either one of them found out about it, they would say that what NCCops was doing was not legal or they were a fraud. It happens in every fund raising room, the donor says I already paid that and the marketer says well that was not us, that must have been a fraud, but we will take care of that for you and you only have to pay us once this year.
*

The "passing off" of one's goods as those of a competitor.

I would say that raising money in the name of DARE and and diverting that money to your own fake charity is passing off your goods under the trademark of DARE. Especially the reelection materials.
*

Wrongful interference with another's contracts.

Using the NCCops example from above, NCCops is under contract with their board of directors to raise money in the state and not allowing that money to be raised in your county simply because you happen to run the fraud in that county is not acceptable to NCCops and I hope they sue the shit out of you two, as well as all other legitimate badge deal fund raising charities.
*

Systematic overcharging of customers.

Well its hard to over charge a donation, but by saying that dare was getting the money, you overcharged the donations when your piss ant charity would not rate anywhere near that high of a dollar figure.


I agree, its a stretch but that is for the courts to decide, I just hope they get the crap sued out of them personally. Their assets needed to be frozen along time ago to limit there ability to defend themselves if we are in fact going to be fair about this in NC this time around.

Anonymous said...

But dont worry folks, I will refine it over time and get back to you. LOL

Anonymous said...

These days very few legal actions are filed under the state statute to regulate monopolies and trusts.


Look, you all, No body breaks this law, but these two rocket scientists did.

I told you they broke every law in the book.

They monopolized the police charity industry in Iredell county by conspiring to keep out other worthwhile police charities. Pretty simple stuff.

They did it, and I am calling them on it.

But dont worry, the feds are already breaking out R.I.C.O. just like in Key West LOL

Anonymous said...

You are monopolozing extreme schizophrenia on this blog.

Anonymous said...

Tic Toc, I am not the poster at 9:50, but I would love to be in court the day you try to get a court order about this. The judge will laugh you out of the courtroom. Just look at all the threats you have made. Do you think any judge will give you the rights to find out who he/she is?



Number 1, what makes you think I am going to be in the court room of all these idiots?

My day comes after their asses are in prison for the rest of their lives.

Number 2. Do you honestly think I am going to ask for permission to find out who that is? Would you? Hes nuts.

Anonymous said...

I noticed you did not say I was wrong, why is that oh great see'er of the future? Are you nuts too LOL

That's another felony, and a pant load of lawsuits, why would you not want to defend your friends against all these charges I am leveling against them, is it because you cant? Obewan

Anonymous said...

Tic Toc, do you realize how hilarious it is to watch you call other people "crazy" and "nuts"? You do see the irony in that dont you?

Anonymous said...

I notice you are still not saying I am wrong.

Your to easy LOL Pick apart the law cause I bet as soon as I posted it, law books came out at the SBI LOL

Now I am going to get creative on his ass LOL

Maybe for every time you persist I am going to level more accurate charges, I mean my god, seriously, how long till the weight of it snaps these peoples knees. They committed so many crimes, it really is like shooting fish in a barrel, if you would just open a law book, and what should really scare you for your friends is that if I can put it together from here and you still cant see the crimes then you are complicit in those crimes and should be scared for yourself as well.

But then I would not expect someone like you to see that because you must be one of the fish inside the barrel. LOL

Anonymous said...

Time Traveler said it best when he said:

"It has reached the point where no amount of BULSHIT, WHINING, MUDSLINGING, NAME CALLING or SMOKEBLOWING will turn it around."

We have reached the point of critical mass, thanks to the "Notorious 20" of Mooresville who have had the balls and the brains to just not go away no matter what until they finally woke up the rest of us!

We love you NOTORIOUS 20...

Anonymous said...

One last thing, and then I will return you to your regularly scheduled programming. Corruption in Iredell Count, and the clowns that like it.

If you are trying to antagonize me into admitting that I committed a crime or that I am going to commit a crime, you cant, because you are easy enough to find without breaking the law. And it is easy enough to ruin you with out breaking the law too, if you know how. But make no mistake, it will be easier for me to keep my eye on you if you are broke and homeless living on a park bench, then it is if you have a job and money, and even easier if you are in jail, so you can take that as you see fit. Better not let me find out you have kids in your home either, you are not stable enough for that.

Are you sure you are up for this game?

What part of "THEY ARE GUILTY" are not getting, do I need to get Alan Dershowitz in here to explain it to you.

Anonymous said...

Somebody forgot their prozac today

Anonymous said...

“the question that begs to be asked is: do we have the right people in the right positions to oversee and account for the financial integrity of the town?"

This is the proverbial "$64,000 Question" and the answer is a resounding "NO". The entire structure and hierarchy of the town's administration must be re-examined and modified to insure the end to the financial scandals that have plagued us.

Anonymous said...

The situation is the resounding definition of corruption.

Anonymous said...

So take two and go sit in the corner

Anonymous said...

What is now becoming public is what many of us have seen over the years and were unable to address.

The low moral in departments is the result of corrupt leadership who crank down on their people hard enough to keep them afraid to do anything, let alone expose what is going on.

Climbing to the top of any government position many times involves whoring yourself out to the best interest of those who run the community, those with money.

This county and the counterparts of it have been controlled by money and greed for as far back as matters to those of us living here now.

The findings of the ongoing investigation are finally bringing that corruption to light. I can only hope that the investigating won't be complete until ALL of the corruption is weeded out.

I think the tremendous growth of the county has fractured the good 'ol boy system that currently exists.

On the surface you have department heads demanding professionalism, honesty and moral fortitude from their employees while they themselves lay around like a bunch of Romans eating grapes, screwing around and getting fanned by the little suck ass eunichs that worship them.

Those eunichs usually find out they are expendable.

As for the commisioners both county and here in Mooresville; there are some good and there are some who are stuffed shirts, worthless as a boarhog with tits. fact is there are way too many self important people in positions of leadership.

I would hope that after the house cleaning that I can only assume is coming, that there will be more average everyday people volunteer their time to serve in those vacant positions.

You can't just complain about crooks and have them removed, they have to be replaced. Those who complain have a serious obligation to volunteer to be those replacements.

I cannot wait for this to be over, both here in Mooresville and in the county. Good leadership won't solve every problem we have, but it will make the process that much better.

Anonymous said...

Wow.. quiet on here today.

Anonymous said...

Everybody's out scrounging around for gas! Anybody know where I can get some?

Anonymous said...

Rushco on 21 at Brawley and the BP and Shell stations on 150 near Lowes still had some when I left for work this morning.

Anonymous said...

I heard Jaime has the Feds looking into the crackpot Tic Toc

Anonymous said...

Quit braying Jackass.

Anonymous said...

Trust me, the feds are climbing so far up my ass right now I can taste the shoe polish. LOL I want them too. You just dont get it yet do you? They are going to cure the violation of the 14th amendment, and the only way to do that is to understand how it is being violated, and the only way to do that is to climb up my ass.

God your dumb, do I need to lay your clothes out for you on your bed too, so you can get dressed in the morning. LOL

Anonymous said...

Did you read the Tribune article in which Crone said he contacted a Federal Agency in 2002 and asked permission to use the money. He said Federal MOney is more strict than State money and wanted to make sure he was doing this appropriately.
Funny how he has no documentation of the phone call and how he cannot remember what FEDERAL agency he spoke with.
Sorry John, you just don't forget that type info....try again bud.

Anonymous said...

Seems like Tic-Toc may not be as "unstable" as we think regarding the possibilities of the breadth of this investigation into CFK and the asset forefeiture stuff. I'd hate to be a target of this investigation. But on the bright side, at least he didn't "misuse" as much as the sheriff in this story.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=91638378

Anonymous said...

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/501/fulton_county_georgia_district_attorney_asset_forfeiture


http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/498/austin_police_asset_forfeiture_criminal_probe

Anonymous said...

Yes, he actually does think the general public is going to believe him. He's never done anything wrong. He's never mismanaged any departments. He didn't sweep stuff under the rug in Newton (or wherever the hell he was just before Mooresville). The turnover in the department wasn't his fault.

Now why would you NOT believe him and take him at his word? He's such a boob -- bless his heart.

Anonymous said...

You mean Crone's still not in jail???!!! Only in Mooresville, good ole Dirty Mo'. Where you can defraud the public to your heart's content and then get backup from "The Establishment" under the table.

Anonymous said...

Let the idiots in Charlotte go to S.C. for their gas-don't tell them anything about us.

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Stiff Sentencing in 'Operation Tarnished Badge' Continues
Robeson Takes a Hit From Operation Tarnished Badge

Posted: Nov 16, 2007

Lumberton, N.C. — A federal judge continued to hand out stiff sentences to Robeson County deputies, who were rounded up in a five-year investigation that has implicated 20 law-enforcement agents, including the former sheriff.

U.S. District Judge Terrence Boyle gave the maximum recommended sentences to Paul Pittman and Billy Hunt of six months in prison and three years of supervised parole. Defense attorneys had argued for less jail time, because both men cooperated in Operation Tarnished Badge.

The former deputies were accused of doing personal and campaign work for then-Sheriff Glen Maynor while they were county employees. Maynor paid both Pittman and Smith $500, officials said.

Boyle rejected a recommended sentence for Joey Smith, saying it was too lenient. Smith has admitted to conspiring to misappropriate around $4,000 in federal drug-enforcement money.

His attorney agreed to rescheduled sentencing in order to prepare a response to Boyle's warning.

In October, Boyle gave a 21-year jail sentence to former deputy Patrick Ferguson for the kidnapping and attempted robbery of two drug dealers. Boyle overruled prosecutors' recommended sentence of slightly more than eight years.

Federal agents made Operation Tarnished Badge public in June after beginning it five years ago. So far, 20 Robeson County law-enforcement agents have been arrested for various offenses.

More serious charges against deputies included kidnapping and money laundering. Many of the deputies charged were involved with drug enforcement, and District Attorney Johnson Britt said he has dismissed between 200 and 300 drug cases because they were tainted.

Anonymous said...

September 26, 2007
Eastern District of North Carolina

George E. B. Holding
Contact: 919/856-4530
"Operation Tarnished Badge" Defendant Charged with Satellite Piracy

RALEIGH - United States Attorney George E. B. Holding announced that in federal court on September 26, 2007, HOBERT F. BRITT, 60, of Lumberton, North Carolina, pled guilty before United States District Judge Terrence W. Boyle.

BRITT was charged in a Criminal Information filed by the United States Attorney’s Office on September 11, 2007, with conspiracy to commit satellite piracy. BRITT used illegally reprogrammed satellite cards to receive unlimited programming from DirecTV. The use of these illegally reprogrammed cards resulted in thousands of dollars in loss to DirecTV.

Pursuant to his plea agreement, BRITT faces a maximum sentence of 5 years imprisonment, a $250,000 fine, 2 years supervised release and a $100 special assessment. As a part of his plea agreement, BRITT agreed to waive his right to indictment by a federal grand jury and to assist investigators. BRITT’s actual sentence will be determined by the Court using the United States Sentencing Guidelines, which are advisory. Sentencing will be at a later date.

This case is a part of the Operation Tarnished Badge investigation of the Robeson County Sheriff's Office. To date, Operation Tarnished Badge has resulted in 22 convictions to various federal criminal violations, including, conspiracy to violate the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO), conspiracy to commit money laundering, conspiracy to defraud the government, conspiracy to commit satellite piracy, conspiracy to commit kidnaping, conspiracy to distribute cocaine and use of a firearm during and in relation to a crime of violence. Operation Tarnished Badge is an ongoing investigation at this time.

The investigative agencies involved in Operation Tarnished Badge are the United States Department of Revenue, Internal Revenue Service, Criminal Investigations Division; the United States Secret Service; and the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation. Assistant United States Attorneys Frank Bradsher and Wes Camden are handling the case for the United States Attorney's Office.

Anonymous said...

OPERATION TARNISHED BADGE - EX-DEPUTY GETS PRISON TERM

RALEIGH -- As a Robeson County deputy, James Owen Hunt stole at least $150,000 from drug dealers he stopped on Interstate 95. On Monday, a federal judge ordered him to spend two years in prison and repay the money. Hunt, 41, of Ladson, S.C., cried as he apologized to U.S. District Judge Terrence Boyle before his sentencing.

"Every day, I think about what I've done and how bad it was," Hunt said. "How it affects my life, and it hurts." He thanked federal prosecutors for giving him the chance to offset his wrongdoing by providing evidence against at least 22 other former Robeson County lawmen who have been implicated in the Operation Tarnished Badge corruption investigation. Hunt had faced a maximum 20 years, but his cooperation landed him a far lower term.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Frank Bradsher said Hunt was unique among the former lawmen who have been prosecuted since the state and federal investigation began about five years ago. The U.S. Attorney's Office says 22 former deputies have pleaded guilty in the investigation.

"James Owen Hunt provided the greatest level of cooperation. There is no individual who provided the same level of information as Mr. Hunt," Bradsher said. He said Hunt was interviewed by investigators 21 times. In May 2005, he became the first lawman to break a "code of silence." "When he did, that changed everything. That was a turning point," Bradsher said. Hunt gave information about deputies who planted evidence, beat people and stole their property, Bradsher said. The information made it difficult for other suspects to remain silent and prompted several to plead guilty. Hunt pleaded guilty in July 2006 to conspiring to launder at least $150,000 he took during six drug enforcement stops from October 2001 to April 2004 along I-95. He used some of the money to pave his driveway and buy a pontoon boat. As part of his guilty plea, Hunt agreed to pay $150,000 in restitution. The amount could be reduced by payments from co-defendants who have agreed to similar terms.

Since leaving the Robeson County Sheriff's Office, Hunt has worked as a switchman for a railroad in South Carolina.

Hunt's lawyer, J. Michael McGuinness of Elizabethtown, asked Boyle to consider a sentence that would allow Hunt to keep his job and use the income to pay the government and support his family.

Boyle, who has given terse verbal reprimands to many of the Tarnished Badge defendants, did not comment during Hunt's sentencing but gave him the lowest recommended term.

In another Tarnished Badge sentence, Billy Wayne Strickland, 41, of Lumberton received a 30-day prison term to be followed by five months of home confinement with electronic monitoring. He also was ordered to pay $1,560 in restitution.

Strickland pleaded guilty to illegally receiving satellite TV signals. He was one of three majors in the Sheriff's Office and oversaw courthouse security, bailiffs and civil warrants.

Strickland's sentence was shorter than other Tarnished Badge defendants accused of satellite piracy because he did not manufacture the phony telecommunications cards that some deputies made and sold.

Anonymous said...

Judge Releases Drug Dealers




LUMBERTON - Two Robeson County men, including one who was serving a life sentence, have exited prison after having provided federal authorities information as part of the investigation called Operation Tarnished Badge. Federal District Judge Terrence Boyle, in releasing them during a hearing Wednesday, also expressed concern about the fairness of their trials.

Boyle on Wednesday granted a motion from the U.S. Attorney's Office reducing the sentences of Eugene Strickland and Mickey Strickland to "time served." According to the Bureau of Prisons' Web site, both were released from the federal prison in Butner on Thursday.

Both Sticklands, along with 10 other family members and friends, were indicted in 1999 on a single count of conspiracy to distribute cocaine and related firearm offenses. Eugene Strickland, 34, received a life sentence and Mickey Strickland, 47, was sentenced to 21 years.

Both Stricklands were interviewed by federal officials investigating corruption in the Robeson County Sheriff's Office. Operation Tarnished Badge has led to guilty pleas from more than 20 former county lawmen, including former Sheriff Glenn Maynor.

According to Robert J. McAfee, Eugene Strickland's attorney, the government had requested that the sentences be cut by one-third. The judge, however, decided the sentences should be cut even more.

"Judge Boyle voiced a number of concerns during the hearing about the use of corrupt deputies to build a criminal case, and how such corruption undermined the notion of a fair trial in federal court," the attorney said.

McAfee also said that he is not sure how many of the other eight people convicted along with the Stricklands in 1999 will try to have their sentences reduced. He said he has just been appointed to represent Marshall Strickland, Eugene Strickland's brother.

"I don't know how much information the others have given to federal investigators," he said.

Robeson County District Attorney Johnson Britt said Thursday night that he only became aware of Boyle's ruling when contacted by a reporter. He said that he had not prosecuted the Stricklands on state charges and that the two were already serving time in federal prison when they provided information related to Operation Tarnished Badge.

"The use of Rule 35 in federal criminal practice is commonly used to get sentences reduced," Britt said. "This isn't unusual."

Britt also told The Fayetteville Observer earlier Thursday that he expects others to seek relief from either the state or federal courts as a result of Operation Tarnished Badge. His office has already thrown out more than 300 cases involving the former lawmen.

During the Stricklands' trial in 1999, four lawmen who have pleaded guilty to charges in Operation Tarnished Badge testified. Those officers were Charles Strickland, Steve Lovin, Roger Taylor and Kevin Meares.

Strickland, a former lieutenant, supervised the Sheriff's Office Drug Enforcement Division. He pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit money laundering and was sentenced to seven years in prison.

Lovin is a former detective with the Drug Enforcement Division. He pleaded guilty to money laundering, satellite piracy and conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States. He was sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Taylor is a former deputy with the Drug Enforcement Division. He pleaded guilty to engaging in money laundering and satellite piracy. He was sentenced to three years, 10 months in prison.

Meares, a former deputy with the Drug Enforcement Division, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit money laundering. He was sentenced to eight months in prison.

Maynor, the former sheriff, pled guilty to perjury and having deputies campaign and perform yard work while on the county clock. He is scheduled to report to prison on Aug. 1 to being serving a six-year sentence.

Anonymous said...

Tic Toc is busy again with his posting antire front pages of newspapers.....

Anonymous said...

PHILADELPHIA - September 24, 2008 - (WPVI) -- At a Wednesday afternoon news conference, Philadelphia police released more information about the shooting death of Officer Patrick McDonald, 30, and the wounding of Officer Richard Bowes, 35.

The shooting happened Tuesday afternoon in North Philadelphia. At the news conference, Capt. James Clark told reporters that Officer McDonald had stopped the gunman, 27-year-old Daniel Giddings because a tail light was out on the car he was riding in.

Police say Officer McDonald approached the vehicle, and took the information from the female driver and Giddings. Giddings gave McDonald a false name.

Investigators say McDonald soon realized the lie Giddings had told him, and approached the passenger side of the car. Giddings jumped out of the car through the driver's side door and ran off on foot, with McDonald giving chase.

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In the 2200 block of Colorado, McDonald caught up with Giddings. Police say Giddings then shot McDonald with a .45 semi-automatic handgun. Then Giddings stood over McDonald, and fired several more times, executing him.

Police say Giddings then stole a bicycle from a person who was in the area, and started to ride away. That's when he encountered three highway patrol officers on motorcycles. Investigators say Giddings threw his bicycle at one officer, knocking him off his motorcycle. Another officer tended to McDonald, while the third officer, Richard Bowes, chased Giddings.

Police say Gidding shot Officer Bowes in the hip, and even though he'd been shot, Police Chief Charles Ramsey says Bowes was able to fire six shots, striking and killing Giddings.

Police recovered the weapon at the scene and say Giddings had fired all rounds from the weapon.

Authorities say they've determined that the weapon, and several others, were purchased by a man named Jason Mack of South Carolina back in 2006. The ATF is now questioning Mack.

The woman who was in the car with Giddings was questioned by police. She will not be charged.

As for Giddings, police released more details about his criminal history.

According to police, Giddings was arrested back in August of 1998 for a carjacking, in which he shot the victim twice in the legs and stole $100. Giddings was sentenced to 6-12 years behind bars.

While in prison, police say Giddings was accused of 27 infractions, and found guilty on 18 of those. In addition, police say Giddings was kicked out of two prisons during his sentence.

Giddings was paroled on August 18, 2008. He spent a week at a halfway house at 12th and Bainbridge before disappearing.

Shortly after, police attempted to pull him over for a traffic violation, and he ran off. Officers caught up to Giddings and a fight ensued. Giddings escaped, and four officers were hurt. An arrest warrant was issued after that incident.

During that incident, according to police, Giddings told friends he "would not be taken alive." "Our understanding was, after he assaulted the officers, he made a statement that he would not go back to prison, and he would take down any officer that tried to take him to prison," said Capt. James Clark.

"He was a dangerous individual, and he demonstrated that over and over and over again," said Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey.

During one of his public appearances Wednesday, Mayor Michael Nutter was overcome as he asked the community to show their support for the embattled police department.

"If you see a police officer today, please take a moment to..." Mayor Nutter then paused to collect himself. "Just take a moment."

On Wednesday, District Attorney Lynne Abraham said that Officer Bowes' use of deadly force was justified.

Anonymous said...

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Rule 35. Correcting or Reducing a Sentence

(a) Correcting Clear Error.

Within 7 days after sentencing, the court may correct a sentence that resulted from arithmetical, technical, or other clear error.

(b) Reducing a Sentence for Substantial Assistance.

(1) In General.

Upon the government's motion made within one year of sentencing, the court may reduce a sentence if the defendant, after sentencing, provided substantial assistance in investigating or prosecuting another person.

(2) Later Motion.

Upon the government's motion made more than one year after sentencing, the court may reduce a sentence if the defendant's substantial assistance involved:

(A) information not known to the defendant until one year or more after sentencing;

(B) information provided by the defendant to the government within one year of sentencing, but which did not become useful to the government until more than one year after sentencing; or

(C) information the usefulness of which could not reasonably have been anticipated by the defendant until more than one year after sentencing and which was promptly provided to the government after its usefulness was reasonably apparent to the defendant.

(3) Evaluating Substantial Assistance.

In evaluating whether the defendant has provided substantial assistance, the court may consider the defendant's presentence assistance.

(4) Below Statutory Minimum.

When acting under Rule 35(b), the court may reduce the sentence to a level below the minimum sentence established by statute.

(As amended Feb. 28, 1966, eff. July 1, 1966; Apr. 30, 1979, eff. Aug. 1, 1979; Apr. 28, 1983, eff. Aug. 1, 1983; Oct. 12, 1984, eff. Nov. 1, 1987; Apr. 29, 1985, eff. Aug. 1, 1985; Oct. 27, 1986, eff. Nov. 1, 1987; Apr. 30, 1991, eff. Dec. 1, 1991; Apr. 24, 1998, eff. Dec. 1, 1998; Apr. 29, 2002, eff. Dec. 1, 2002; Apr. 26, 2004, eff. Dec. 1, 2004)

(c) “Sentencing” Defined.

As used in this rule, “sentencing” means the oral announcement of the sentence.

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A writ of mandamus or simply mandamus, which means "we command" in Latin, is the name of one of the prerogative writs in the common law, and is issued by a superior court (appellate court) to compel a lower court or a government officer to perform mandatory or purely ministerial duties correctly.[1]

Mandamus is a judicial remedy which is in the form of an order from a superior court to any government, subordinate court, corporation or public authority to do or forbear from doing some specific act which that body is obliged under law to do or refrain from doing, as the case may be, and which is in the nature of public duty and in certain cases of a statutory duty.[2] It cannot be issued to compel an authority to do something against statutory provision.

Mandamus may be a command to do something or not to do a particular thing. Mandamus is supplemented by legal rights. It must be a judicially enforceable and legally protected right before one suffering a grievance can ask for a mandamus. A person can be said to be aggrieved only when he is denied a legal right by someone who has a legal duty to do something and abstains from doing it.

Legal requirements

The applicant pleading for the writ of mandamus to be enforced should be able to show that he has a legal right to compel the respondent to do or refrain from doing the specific act. The duty sought to be enforced must have two qualities:[3]

1. It must be a duty of public nature
2. The duty must be imperative and should not be discretionary.

Normally, a writ of mandamus does not issue to, or an order in the nature of mandamus is not made against, the private individual. It is not necessary that the person or the authority on whom the statutory duty is imposed be a public official or an official body. A mandamus can issue, for instance, to an official of a society to compel him to carry out the terms of the statute under or by which the society is constituted or governed and also to companies or corporations to carry out duties placed on them by the statutes authorizing their undertakings. A mandamus would be equally applicable for a company constituted by a statute for the purposes of fulfilling public responsibilities. The court to which the application for the issue of mandamus is made will not constitute itself a court of appeal from the decision of the administrative authority and will not examine the correctness or otherwise of a decision on merits.[4] The exercise of administrative discretion is not interfered upon by the court, but it will do so if there has been an illegal exercise of the discretion. There is an illegal exercise of discretion where:

1. The order is made without, or in excess of jurisdiction
2. The order made is mala fides, or
3. The authority is influenced by extraneous consideration.

[edit] History of Mandamus

The writ of mandamus is of a very ancient origin, dating back at the latest to the times of Edward II.[5] It seems originally to have been one of that large classes of writs by which the Sovereign of England directed the performance of any desired act by his subjects, the word "missive" in such writs and letters, having given rise to the present name of the writ. These letters, missives or mandates, to which the generic term mandamus was applied, were in no sense judicial writs but were merely commands issuing directly from the sovereign to the subject without the intervention of the court. The writ in the shape of these commands, however, became obsolete at a very early stage and gradually it came to be confined to the judicial writ issued by the King's Bench which has by steady growth developed into the writ of mandamus, which is, in general, a command issuing in the King's name from the Court of King's bench and directed to any person, corporation or inferior court of jurisdiction within the King's Dominions requiring them to do some particular thing therein specified which appertains to their office and duty, and which the Court of King's bench has previously determined, or at least supposes to be a consonant to right and justice. It is high prerogative writ of a most extensive remedial nature... And issues in all cases where a party has a right to have anything done, and hath no other specific means of compelling its performance. It was stated in the Judiciary Act of 1789.[6]

Purpose of Mandamus

The purpose of mandamus is to remedy defects of justice. It lies in the cases where there is a specific right but no specific legal remedy for enforcing that right. It also lies in cases where there is an alternative remedy but the mode of redress is less convenient, less beneficial or less effectual. Generally, it is not available in anticipation of any injury except when the petitioner is likely to be affected by an official act in contravention of a statutory duty or where an illegal or unconstitutional order is made. The grant of mandamus is a matter for the discretion of the court, the exercise of which is governed by well-settled principles.[7]

Mandamus, being a discretionary remedy, the application for that must be made in good faith and not for indirect purposes. Acquiescence cannot, however, bar the issue of mandamus. The petitioner must, of course, satisfy the Court that he has the legal right to the performance of the legal duty as distinct from mere discretion of authority.[8]

A mandamus is normally issued when an officer or an authority by compulsion of statute is required to perform a duty and which despite demand in writing has not been performed. In no other case will a writ of mandamus issue unless it be to quash an illegal order.

Anonymous said...

Mandamus will lie for an abuse of discretion where discretion has been exercised arbitrarily and capriciously or where discretion has been exercised in bad faith, Peavey Co. V. Corcoran 714 S.W.2d 943. In such instances the abuse amounts, in effect, to no discretion. Mandamus is warranted when the abuse is clear or results in a manifest injustice, Reis V. Nangle 349 S.W.2d 943. Mandamus will lie when an official refuses to act when he has a duty to act and refuses to do so

Anonymous said...

Tic Toc...... You are boring the hell out of the sewing club

Unknown said...

“What kind of a legal system is this where we're going to design our rules to encourage guilty people to plead - or innocent people to plead guilty? It's crazy.” Justice Scalia

Anonymous said...

Main Entry: manifest injustice
Function: noun
: an outcome in a case that is plainly and obviously unjust manifest injustice>

Anonymous said...

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What Is A Manifest Injustice Under Appellate Rule 2?
Last week in State v. Hart (see post below) the NC Supreme Court clarified that, notwithstanding its 2005 Viar decision, the Court of Appeals retains the discretion to review the merits of an appeal when the appellant has violated the appellate rules, so long as the discretion is exercised consistent with Rule 2. Rule 2 allows the appellate courts to suspend or vary the requirements of the rules "[t]o prevent manifest injustice to a party, or to expedite a decision in the public interest." The Supreme Court correctly observed that it has typically invoked Rule 2's "manifest injustice" standard in criminal cases because of the high stakes for the defendant (e.g., imprisonment or death).

But this raises the question: What is a "manifest injustice" in a civil case, particularly in private litigation (as opposed to public litigation brought by or against the government)? In such cases typically it is money or property rights at stake. How could there be a "manifest injustice" if the appellate court declined to review the merits of an appeal involving money or property? What would the standard be for determining what is and is not a "manifest injustice"?

Who knows? As Justice Scalia once commented, "manifest injustice" might mean “almost anything” and “is just a surrogate for policy preferences.” Kaiser Aluminum & Chemical Corp. v. Bonjorno, 494 U.S. 827, 857 (1990) (Scalia, J., concurring).

A strong argument could be made that a “manifest injustice” in this context would be something tantamount to a “plain error,” so that Rule 2 would permit the appellate court to entertain the merits of an appeal to prevent a party from being subjected to a plain error by the lower court. (Federal courts have held that, in the context of a motion for reconsideration, a “manifest injustice” is defined as an error by the court that is direct and obvious—i.e., manifest.) Under this meaning, the appellate court would, after finding a rule violation, have to determine whether the lower court committed an obvious mistake before invoking Rule 2 to issue a disposition on the merits.

One might argue that a "manifest justice" could include the dismissal of an appeal for a technical rule violation that doesn't impede comprehension of the issues on appeal or prejudice the other party. But there are problems with such a gloss on Rule 2, not the least of which is that it would embroil the courts in controversies over which rules and violations are "technical" and likely lead to a crazy quilt of inconsistent decisions on that front--undermining the policy of "uniformity," contrary to the Supreme Court's admonition in Hart.

(The State, in its appellate brief in Hart, argued: "[I]t is not the perceived innocuous nature of a rules violation that matters when an appellate court decides whether to exercise its discretion under Rule 2. The question is not how bad the violation is; the question is whether there is a significant issue of importance in the public interest that should be reached despite the rules violation or an injustice which appears manifest to the court.")

One may predict that the judges who took a zero-tolerance view of rules violations after Viar likely will continue that approach by emphasizing the narrowness of Rule 2 and by finding no "manifest injustice" in private civil appeals.