That could soon change.
Mooresville’s new town manager, Steve Husemann, plans to revisit the town’s Code of Ethics, and at least two town commissioners hope to pick up where the 2005 town board left off.
Ironically, Miles Atkins – who was not a commissioner at the time – researched and introduced the idea of an ethics code to the town board in 2005, when commissioners – specifically Mitch Abraham and Alice Lee – were facing public scrutiny for their selection of engineering firm CH2M Hill to design the town’s multi-million wastewater treatment plant expansion. Abraham and Lee spearheaded the town’s choice of CH2M Hill but did not disclose that they were close personal friends with an official of the firm and attended his same church. (See http://thegattonreport.blogspot.com/2008/03/whats-that-old-adage-about-rats.html)
The town board adopted the Code of Ethics on June 6, 2005. It also developed an "ethics advisory committee" to review the code and provide input and recommendations to the town board regarding the formation of a formal committee to oversee the code’s enforcement. Atkins and Chris Carney -- also not yet elected to the town board -- were appointed to the advisory committee; Atkins was appointed by Danny Beaver, who Atkins would eventually challenge and defeat in the 2007 at-large race, and Carney was appointed by Mitchell Mack, whose Ward 4 seat Carney won in 2005 when Mack chose not to seek re-election.
The advisory committee met four times over the course of four months. But when the group brought its recommendations to Mooresville’s town board in January 2006, commissioners took no action, essentially killing the advisory committee’s work. It also meant that the Code of Ethics had no approved procedures in place to respond to citizen complaints against elected officials.
To read the ethics advisory committee’s findings, click on the documents below:
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Last week, Mayor Bill Thunberg asked Husemann to revisit the policy – along with all the other town policies, procedures and operations.
But Carney quickly zeroed in on the ethics code, saying that elected officials from other areas have found themselves in “inappropriate situations” and “that doesn’t leave a good taste in the mouth of the citizens.”
The Code of Ethics addresses several topics, including conflicts of interest; duties to recuse, disclose, and cooperate; unfair use of town property; misuse of confidential information; improper gifts and fair and equal treatment.
“So much work was done” by a “very non-partisan ethics advisory committee” in 2005, Carney said last week. “A lot of the footwork has been done, and we need to take the recommendations of that committee and put (the Code of Ethics) in action.
“There was a unanimous recommendation from the committee to form a vetting system for ethical complaints against an elected official,” Carney added. “Everybody agreed to the premise and the idea of it. There’s no reason in the world not to have it.”
Carney said currently in North Carolina, “there’s no system, short of a felony, of removing unethical elected officials.”
If an elected official is found to have conducted himself unethically, said Carney, “Citizens shouldn’t have to hold their nose, waiting for the next election cycle. There certainly needs to be something done about that.”
Atkins said that the town’s adopted Code of Ethics remains in effect. However, he said, “If someone filed a complaint today, they can reference a code, but there’s not a formalized process in place even though (the ethics advisory committee) recommended it.”
He said he expects that Husemann and commissioners will review the Code of Ethics and the advisory committee’s findings and, sometime in the near future, vote on virtually the same recommendations that were presented to the town board in January 2006.
“When there is lack of confidence or mistrust, this will be a tool for the citizens,” Atkins said.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 285 of 285I just got caught up on all the latest comments, and it hit me. The jest of it all reminded me alot of the nasty tone and nasty turn everything took - right before Crone was canned.
Listen rational people. Do not argue with Bob Bob. He is writhing with suffering because he sees the handwriting on the wall. Any second grader can see he is now talking to himself on the blog. He is using horrific words such as "retarded" and he is shooting blanks at anyone and everyone who has ever had the courage to identify themselves on this blog. He is attributing the nearly 150,000 hits on this blog to 20 people.
Let him knock himself out. He represents every moral sickness that this town has ever experienced. He is a moral degenerate who sees no way out of his own dilemma. Remember, we are here to expose corruption and to replace the corrupt with honest and accountable people.
Sorry partner, you got at least 2 people on here. I would never use the word "retarded". I'm not crone, rader or any other politician or cop. i'm not morally corrupt, far from it. I am asking legitimate questions.
I don't deny your right to ask legitimate questions of your elected officials. I'm in favor of an ethics code. I am also not one of the business owners who siged a letter for Crone. It does not matter who i am. What does matter is that people see he whole story.
Nice job 3:38! You and your "I don't have a clue" trying to sound innocent post.
The facts are the facts. Crone did somethign he shouldn't have done and he lost his job. If what he did was illegal he may loose some freedoms. It doesn't matter who knows who knows who knows who.
We all now know that there was, at the very least, unethical practices that were uncoverd and discovered.
Then 3:50 why don't you post using your name if you are so sure of yourself!
3:38/3:50--people like you crack me up. you say you want transparency but then you turn around and say it doesnt matter who YOU are. transparency for some? talk about selectiveness. you must be part of the town government.
Rumor has it that Jaime Gatton had to get a windshield installed in her stomach so Miles Atkins could see where he is walking.
Has the new Town Manager made any public comments? If not why? Is he protecting the board as well? What is his stance on all of this? When is he going to hire a new Chief of Police or I should say appoint the current intrim chief?
3:56,
All I ask for is some more information. I'm asking for answers. I'm asking if anyone else is wondering what the motives are, or whether people are more like pawns in a great game of chess?
At the same time, I applaud your quest for answers from Town hall and quest for ethics reform. More power to you. i'm with you on that. i eally am.
oh ok. ill bite. so what were your questions?
"These people" feel as if they can question anyone and everyone, but as soon as you turn the tables on them and question them, they run and hide and call you names. Every single one of them has a personal vendetta and they are all just pawns for good ol' Cliff H.
420,from where i sit one group is asking ?s of public officials who answer to the people and get paid by the people and the other group is asking ?s of private citizens. that tells me all i need to know.
If you throw rocks be prepared to get some thrown back.
Dear 4;28,
I am not 4;20, but i am with him/her. An active reverend with a grudge against the police chief, an investigative reporter with a close connection to both a commissioner and a fired police officer with grudges against Crone are not what I would call private citizens. They are in the public view and are considered public.
They are not public officials, but they are PUBLIC FIGURES. Just read the link Jaime provided on the home page.
They are not above scrutiny.
I'm sorry--I'm new to this town and to these nasty politics. When I got here and asked where to go for news, I was pointed to this web site. I was very involved in politics in my hometown and would like to be involved here. Could somebody please tell me who Cliff H. is? If he's been so instrumental in getting rid of the corruption here, I'd like to know who he is so I can join the group of "pawns". I don't mind being a pawn for a good cause. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians never worked any way.
Dear 4:19,
My questions were related to Jaime's relationship to the police officer who was fired by Crone and to the commissioner Atkins who both have pretty deep grudges against Crone. I'm asking for that information. Jaime can feel free to post with a denial as this is her blog too. I've read several suggestions that the relationship is pretty close to both of those individuals with the grudges against Crone.
4:37,
What are you talking about? Too many chiefs and not enough indians? That does not make sense.
It's good to be politically active, but do so for the right reasons. otherwise, you are just being played as a pawn by one politician against another.
Terry - go back to wherever you came from.
Which post are you referring to Terry? And who is Terry?
I've already commented several time on several threads regarding my motives and your allegations about what Frank said or may have said.
I've said it before and I'll say it again ... there was no documentation supporting the rumors you're repeating. What Frank might have said is, as Rader likes to say, pure speculation on your part. You might want to read up on Asperger's Syndrome, Spectrum Disorders, and Autism before you go labeling someone like that.
Regardless, for me that issue has nothing to do with this issue. I'm quite capable of delineating between the two unethical situations.
Whether you like me or not is also irrelevant and has nothing to do with this thread of discussion, though you're more than welcome to bash me all you wish. I believe someone even created a blog for the specific reason of bashing me. Have at it!
You read into me whatever you wish, however you with in order to fulfill whatever motives you have. There is nothing I have said which I cannot back up with documents, no matter how much mud you attempt to sling.
I wonder what the town would be like if you exerted this much energy into actually doing something productive and helpful to bring about transparency and open government.
You're welcome to find as much information out about me as you'd like. Set up a time to interview me if you'd like. Come on by on Sunday if you're not too busy. My office hours are flexible so that I can accommodate your schedule.
I am perfectly at peace with what I've said, how I've said it, and what my motives are.
So nah-nah
Larry,
i have slung mud at you and still don't buy your whole story. I can't understand why a reverend is so involved at the level that you are in politics.
In any case, I can appreciate your humor and hope you have a great day.
Go back to wherever I came from? My job moved me here so I guess I'll have to stay put for a while--btw, has anybody told you you're rude? To not have answered my one question, you sure asked me alot.
Glad you can take it in stride.
PS Larry, I was not the one who stated the story about "Frank". I would not call someone a "retard" either. But there certainly seems to be more than what meets the eye.
There is always more to any story, but all I can go by is the documentation made available to me.
I was referring to your involvment. But it holds true with the story involving "Frank" and the 'Crone Investigation" as well.
4:39;
Even if she could be properly defined as a public servant, Gatton can not be voted out of office or fired. Gee, I bet that irks you. Carry on, Gatton.
5:12, it does not irk me at all. She has not broken the law at all. From what I understand, she has not published any untrue facts either. Heck, she's a good writer. There is nothing illegal in her "closeness" to the people I mentioned. I would just like to know if it is true or not. Hope you can understand that.
The one everyone calls the "idiot" seems to be the only sane person here. Tic Toc is a joke! If he has a job someone needs to let his boss know he is wasting company time posting useless info.
At 9:34 AM I posted this and then went to work.
The good man wins his case by careful argument; the evil minded wants to fight.
Now I have come home and logged on to find one hell of a mess. Tic Toc, and everyone else, stop arguing with this fool.
He put you where he was trying to put me this morning except I wouldn't go there. Carry on conversations like he doesn't exist.
He is a RedCrone. His intentions are to draw you out so you will say something that may cause you or this site problems.
Look back at some of his responses after I started getting pissed this morning. He was like my, my aren't we getting emotional. He was all smug because he was taking me where he wanted to, until I realized it. He was a jackass yesterday, he's a jackass today and he'll be a jackass tommorrow.
Let it go.
On Wed. I guess he will be brilliant.
"RedCrone"? More of that crap. Someone asks questions and they get labelled. Hmmmmm? I have stated that I am behind you questioning Government. I am even behind Jaime's push on the Town ethic's code. I have simply asked some questions and posed a thought that was contrary to good 'ole Tic Tac and I am labelled a "Pathetic Poster". I have not been called so many names since grade school. Guess it goes to show your intellect.
i guess you are evil minded since you fight and call names, huh? Get off your high horse.
Good point 6:07. Now, where were we??? OH YEAH. The ethics code and wondering where the heck our second Cops for Kids audit is......
Let me ask again since no one has responded and I really want to know. Has the new Town Manager made any public comments? If not why? Is he protecting the board as well? What is his stance on all of this? When is he going to hire a new Chief of Police or I should say appoint the current intrim chief?
I don't have your information, but thanks to the last two posts for getting back to a good topic.
And the rest of you, like I said ignore the lone ranger. It's one person disrupting the whole blog. It can't happen unless you let it happen.
If he has made any public comment, it hasn't been publicized. I have e-mailed him, but he has not responded -- not that I'm entitled to a response, but just stating that he hasn't responded.
Nope, no public comment from the town manager that I know of either.
Oh well no comment. Probably the best thing he's done so far. Any comment would be taken out of context and you guys would be calling for his head too.
I guess the town has hired the second accountant since the councilmen voted to move on it at the last meeting. Any updates?
"Holy crap, I am such a lucky SOB that I did not push him further"
Puhleassse! Is this a threat or promise?
Let's see; we have Mr. Husemann, the new guy who is probably wondering what the heck he got himself into, and then we have Mr. Smith and Mrs. Setzer. Am I remembering everybody? Mrs. Setzer is who the town board put in charge of the CFK but then she told the Board that she's been out of the office on vacation. So that leaves Mr. Smith? Where's Mr. Smith? Where's the $100K assistant town manager?????? Playing golf?
Hey 7:57, it's me he was threatening, not you. At least it was my posts over the past couple days that irked him. But, maybe he does have some "love" to share for both of us.
Oh, Gawd, got home and read the blabberings and whining of Pee Pee. So and so has a grudge. So and so knows so and so. So and so is a puppet. So and so didn't like so and so. Tic Tac said this to me and Green did that. Blah blah blah.
I couldn't care less who knows who and who's kissing whose ass and who wants to kick whose ass.
All I care about is why is a corrupt police chief still walking around free when the rest of us out here would have had our asses slammed in jail about two minutes after we did what he did?
What I wanna know is why hasn't Frank Rader not been charged with aiding and abetting a criminal and then bald-face lying to the public about it?
I wanna know why that worthless Erskine Smith still has a job with the town of Mooresville?
All I care about is who's letting Maia Setzer take all this time off instead of lining up the audit firm to audit the Cops for Kids?
I want to know why the mayor tried to lead us astray? Where are the damned audit results he huffed and puffed about two months ago?
I want to know why Frank Rader's getting away with sending lies to people through email but won't give up those email addresses?
These are the things I care about. Give me some answers Pee Pee or shut the hell up. I'm fed up with the coverups.
Jaime, you must be working on something really, really good. These turkeys always get their panties up in a wad when word gets back to them that you're on to something. Pleeeeease tell us what it is...
Every day that officials sit on their hands with respect to the investigations of the former chief of police is one day closer to their disgrace, shame and ruin.
I'm really glad to see the conversation has returned to the original purpose of the Gatton Report.
Time Traveler
I am resuming my "Count Up Vigil" of the number of days which pass from the day Cops For Kids scandal broke (7/4/08) to the day that Police Chief Crone and Interim Town Manager Erskine Smith are both suspended, terminated or resign.
The Police Chief was suspended (with pay) on Tuesday, 7/8/08. He was terminated on 8/8/08. The community is clearly relieved and deeply grateful that Mr. Crone has vacated his post. However, serious questions continue to mount with regard to Mr. Smith's decision to continue paying Mr. Crone a salary for the intervening month.
Interim Town Manager Erskine Smith, Mr. Crone’s supervisor, remains in his position and continues to operate still. Therefore I shall continue this Vigil until he, too, vacates any post he holds as a public official in Mooresville due to his role in this matter as well as other matters that have been brought to light.
The town board has placed Finance Director Maia Setzer in charge of oversight of the CFK process (including but not limited to any audits and investigations) which indicates that they, too, lack confidence and trust in the Interim Town Manager. Despite this lack of confidence, Mr. Smith remains in his position, a position to which the Finance Director reports.
The information I specifically refer to is:
1) documented misrepresentations made by Mr. Smith with regard to the nonprofit corporation known as Cops For Kids
2) Mr. Smith's direct recommendation to the town board to include the nonprofit corporation known as Cops For Kids into the town's general budget in the amount of $20,000
3) Mr. Smith's failure to perform due diligence in his capacity as Interim Town Manager by properly researching Cops For Kids prior to submitting his recommendation to the town board
4) Mr. Smith's involvement in a questionable commission in the amount of $237,151.50 as outlined in the Gatton Report blog entry dated 4/18/08 and titled “Friends don’t let friends gouge Mooresville taxpayers”, the contents of which have never been publicly disputed by Mr. Smith
5) Mr. Smith’s failure or refusal to change Mr. Crone’s status to “unpaid” suspension despite the surfacing of various contradictory statements made by Mr. Crone in the media since his suspension
6) Mr. Smith’s failure or refusal to fire Mr. Crone despite his assumed knowledge of the damning evidence presented in a Gatton Report articles dated July 22, 2008
7) Mr. Smith’s failure or refusal to insure that a complete financial audit is conducted and released of Cops For Kids records, despite the mayor’s assurance that this process had begun on July 8, 2008
8) Mr. Smith’s use of double standards when enforcing employment policies, as evidenced by his statements in the August 2008 “Town Voice”
9) The fact that Mr. Smith staunchly resisted firing Mr. Crone until after there was citizen unrest which resulted in a citizens protest on the Mooresville Town Hall on 8/4/08. The protest in turn brought about significant negative publicity for the town. Mr. Smith’s inexplicable delay in firing Mr. Crone therefore ultimately resulted in tarnishing the town’s reputation
10) Mr. Smith allowing his subordinate, Maia Setzer, to take multiple vacation weeks in the weeks following her being assigned the duty of supervising this process. His decision to do so has now unacceptably delayed the audit of the nonprofit organization known as Cops For Kids
This is Day No. 74.
Boy this thread really blew up didn't it? Snake pit's been disturbed it would appear. I'm way behind on reading these comments but the one that was really rich was the one earlier somewhere telling us that the readers of this blog are a "laughing stock". Oh yeah. We really believe that one - right up there with "Crone's innocent" and "Deposit slip? What deposit slip? I never saw a deposit slip". You want laughing stock? Just look at the mug of a certain commissioner on the homepage. After that take a walk to Town Hall and peep into the now deaf/dumb/mute mayor's office. If you're still not laughing then stroll over to the mayor's buddy Erskin Smith's big fancy office which stays empty most of the time - your tax dollar hard at work. If you need more laughs go back and watch your former police chief stutter and stammer through simple reporter questions on TV (made us look just great). Want more laughs? Go and catch Commissioner Abraham at any of his favorite eating places and remember how he singlehandedly started good ole Wastewatergate, a snafoo we'll be paying for for years to come. I'd say somebody laughed all the way to the bank on that one. We've earned the regional name "Dirty Mo'" thanks to these funny characters. We're the laughing stock, alright, just not the way this particular poster was wishin'. He and his handful of crooked buddies are too busy laughing at this blog to notice that everybody else is laughing at them.
Or if you want a real laugh and don't have the time and energy to go out just sit back and read 95% of the daily posts here. If anyone is to take the blame for Mooresville being called dirty mo it would be dale jr. Now off to work I go but I look foward to some good laughs when I get home.
Wow, you all get very very defensive don't you? I ask if anyone can confirm or deny whether Jaime has a close relationship to :
(1) Police officer who was recently fired by Crone and holds a grudge?
(2) Commissioner Atkins who has not liked Crone for some time and has a grudge
Instead of yes or no, I just get called names. Wow, guess I struck a nerve. Getting too close to uncovering how/why this all started? A little bit of revenge, huh? Ouch.
As far as me getting my panties in a bunch because Jaime is working on something else - I couldn't care less.
Did anybody else hear anything? It sounded like the far away bray of a jackass.
Nothing to concern ourselves with.
That's OK, silence speaks volumes.
Heeehaw heeeehaw. Pleeeease someone tell me Jaime's sources. Its killin me!!!!!
CHIIIIRP! CHIIIIIRP! goes the cricket
A RedCrone fable:
In the distance a lonely jackass brayed.
"Chiiiiirp!
Chiiiiirp!,"
...said the crickets.
"Come argue with me and make a fool of yourself!," brayed the jackass!
"Chiiiirp!
Chiiiirp," replied the crickets.
"But I am trying desperately to infuriate some to the point of exposing themselves!," Cried the jackass.
But all the little crickets said, "CHIIIIRP CHIIIIIRP."
"This is bullshit!" exclaimed the jackass loudly. "I need to be center of attention here. I have people counting on me to save their ass!"
But alas, the crickets only replied with, "Chiiiirp! chiiiiirp!
In the background the town clock went steadily on. Tic toc, tic toc
Time Traveler
Personally I don't care how or why the CFK story got started. I don't care how ANY story got started. I'm just glad they DID get started. I was writing out checks every year to CFK and writing them off as a tax deduction. Now it looks like I could be facing an IRS audit. How's that fair? What does that have to do with who Jamie knows or who held a grudge against the polic chief? If that police office or council member held a grudge then maybe now we know why. I'm glad you brought that to my attention. From this point forward, that council member has my vote and instead of writing out a check for CFK, I'll write my "donation" to that person's campaign.
Pardon me while I go flush the crap out of town and into the expensive system .....
OK, I'm back ... now who discovered that I needed to take a dump? I want to know because I surely didn't realize it. I had no idea I needed to take a dump until someone told me about it. What a crappy thing to do!
I'm sure they just told that to me because they're close to the wastewatergate scandal. How dare they manipulate my poop.
Sorry, gotta go take another dump
9:26, Are you in 2nd grade? Could we please stick to the subject?
Well, I was looking forward to a good laugh when I got home from work, but 9:13's post wasn't that funny. The chief misrepresented his fund as a charity. He was wrong to do it. He moved money from the evidence room into his own personal slush fund. Ya'll are right. He deserved to be fired.
OK, I'm back ... but I'm an 8th grader
9:13 AM:
You make a very good point. There are those posting on here who are being put in a bind because of information that has finally been made public.
In an attempt to sway the focus, they have tried to make the whistleblowers look like the bad guys.
What started this, was the innappropriate actions of officials. What this ultimately is about is addressing those actions and removing those officials from their position.
I personally could care less about what punishment they recive. My contentment will be in their removal.
Whatever punishment a court applies is up to that court and of no concern to me. After removal, my next focus is the replacment of those persons with someone deserving of the trust of the public.
How this got started is irrelevant. The issue of dishonest officials is the purpose of this whole investigation.
Time Traveler
I can understand witholding the results of the initial town audit pending the secondary audit and the criminal investigations that are on-going. However, it would be refreshing if the Town Manger would say something about when we can expect to know the results. I understand also that the SBI's investigation will be turned over to the DA's office and is not going to be available but when can we expect that to happen. When will the DA say yea or nay about criminal charges. These are not to much to ask. I also want some finality to the Cheif of Police position. Post the job and hire someone that will restore the community's confidence even if it is the current assistant chief. Its time to piss or get off the pot.
You mean Jaime Gatton has SOURCES?!! How DARE she? Who does she think she is?! Can't somebody make that ILLEGAL? Surely there is a way that we can extract their NAMES!! I pine for the days when me and my friends could do whatever we wanted in Mooresville and NOBODY WOULD TALK to the press! We had them convinced the PRESS WAS THE DEVIL and that we were GODS. We had them convinced that UP was DOWN and DOWN was UP. All that work down the drain?! This town has gone to the DOGS. People having the nerve to REQUEST PUBLIC RECORDS! Unheard of! Townspeople fearlessly WALKING in PROTEST MARCHES! Sickening! People shamelessly talking to each other and BLOWING WHISTLES! Scandalous! Something must be done about this. This is TERRORISM! This is ANARCHY! This is UNAMERICAN! Send in reinforcements and put a stop to it THIS INSTANT!
What?! NO VOLUNTEERS besides the BRAYING JACKASS? What has this world come to???
This Court has held that the elements of the crime set forth in NC. GS § 14-100 are
There are only 4
"'(1) a false representation of a subsisting fact or a future fulfillment or event,
The FACT that John Crone said it was a charity and it was not, it was a for profit business in HIS PERSONAL NAME AND SSN, That covers him on ELEMENT #1
(2) which is calculated and intended to deceive,
Taking the web site of the REAL Cops 4 Kids Charity was as calculated to deceive as you can get, his TRUE information would have garnered no raised money or very little.
Covers element 2
(3) which does in fact deceive,
People gave money based on that website and were deceived by it and gave money, included in the deceived is one of your town councilmen who put that deception in writing.
I’d say that covers Element 3
(4) by which one person obtains or attempts to obtain value from another.
By which John Crone personally both obtained (when money was given) and attempted to obtain (when no money was given but the sales pitch was made)
And that covers element 4
Those are the only elements there are, and they are the only things that matter. What happened to the money is not relevant. These crimes fit these elements perfectly.
Who collected the money and turned it over to John Crone “IS” and “WHO” made the attempts to collected the money “IS” relevant, as they are all guilty.
Well now, lets see if he is innocent. We will take these elements and go over them one by one.
“'(1) a false representation of a subsisting fact or a future fulfillment or event,
Lets see now, a false representation, might that be calling people or stopping by their business and telling them you need money for the DARE program to help teach and keep kids off drugs, and then turning around and using that money to by products that although have the DARE logo on them, also have the good sheriff's name on them instead of the department's name. Now that is not what he told people he would use the money for so yes that is a false representation.
Yup I would say that violates element one.
(2) which is calculated and intended to deceive,
Well I am having a hard time with this one, because was it calculated and intended to deceive. Yup it was, he told people the money would go to help keep kids off drugs and that is all it can be used for. It does not take a genius to figure out that if he ordered the products and then continued to collect money then yes it is, and that covers him on element 2
(3) which does in fact deceive,
Well people gave money and they thought it would go to help keep kids off drugs, it did not, it went to help the good sheriff's reelection campaign, that covers number 3
(4) by which one person obtains or attempts to obtain value from another.'”
Well I guess money would be a thing of value and he attempted to and did collect a lot of it. and that covers him on number 4
Look folks he is guilty and no matter whether he is a good man or not, he is going to prison. But you know as well as I do that that crappy lawyer Gary Frank does not have the balls to charge him, no matter what I say. he did not charge Crone when he needed too when all the eveidence was sitting right in front of him. Maybe Mr. Frank would be better a pumping gas then as the DA.
Who ever Rodney Page is, tell him I said pack his crap up and get out of town, he is a fraud and he is ripping you people off, tell him also, that I am coming for him next. He needs to shut down right now and not make one more call. I know what he is doing, he is no match for me, tell him I said, it is time to play a game. This one is called Rodney becomes the prison bi@@@.
September 5, 2008 11:43 PM
Anonymous said...
Might want to tell that to these people too
Fundraising Pros
319 Rolling Hill Rd # B
Mooresville, NC 28117,
704-663-0963
Give them a call, people of mooresville, and tell them what you think of them.
Hey Mooresville cops, go bust both of these peoples offices, get a warrant and raid the place and get their lists of names, you will find tons of fraud and if you are lucky, you will get 20 or 30 people in the act of fraud.
Do not play with these people cops they CAN be very dangerous, just letting you know ahead of time. This is what you have a SWAT team for.
Then once you have done that, show me their paperwork and I will tell you what they did.
This is for real cops, go do your jobs. 14-100 applies to every single person in those offices.
Welcome to the game you guys, your a little late, but we can make room at the county jail for you.
I want to see 50,000 dollar bonds on all of them. Freeze their bank accounts as well before they can drain the money out. Because that will be the first thing they do.
Someone else help out and post the address of these thieves on church street.
If you cops have any questions, just ask.
Who's stalling the Crone audits and investigations?
Who said they were stalled?
Rodney page
704-662-0002
Papa Johns Pizza
(704) 799-7272
ToM ethics complaint hotline
unlisted
Tic Toc aka Time Traveler
1-800-WE TODD DID
Dear 3:21, I was staring at that number and it didn't hit me. I then said it out loud and almost peed my pants. That is pretty funny.... and right on the money. Tic Tact / Time Traveler, or whatever his name is.. Very good.
Dear PP, are you talking to yourself again? Bless your cotton pickin heart......
I have reread the comments contained in this blog, and can't believe how far the contributors have strayed.
How many times can you repeat yourselves? It is certainly obvious why some of you continue to hide behind the screen of anonymity! It is not because you are afraid of losing your job! It is rather, you are embarrassed to have your identity known. You need to quit pretending you know what you are writing about, or, did you turn your middle school kids loose on the computer.
For those of you suggesting there are "puppets of Cliff H", let me assure you, he needs no puppets! He could eat you for lunch and never experience indigestion. This man has CLASS, and requres no help!
CRONE IS OUT OF OUR HAIR! Turn your thoughts (if any exist) to removing Rader, Smith and Thunberg from public view.
Harold Salisbury
I asked earlier today who is stalling the audits and investigations. September 16, 2008 12:27 PM wrote "Who said they were stalled?" Well, let's see. The mayor was quoted in a prepared statement on July 8th assuring us of a timely process and one with integrity. It is now September 16 and we have yet to even hire a proper firm to conduct the audit. Would 12:27 PM be more comfortable if I used a word other than "stall"? Perhaps "covering up"? Or "obstruct"? Or "intentionally delay"? Or "do a bait and switch on the taxpayer"? Regardless of the word, the main thing I want to know is the "who".
3:21 P.M.:
This is the last post I made...
9:13 AM:
You make a very good point. There are those posting on here who are being put in a bind because of information that has finally been made public.
In an attempt to sway the focus, they have tried to make the whistleblowers look like the bad guys.
What started this, was the innappropriate actions of officials. What this ultimately is about is addressing those actions and removing those officials from their position.
I personally could care less about what punishment they recive. My contentment will be in their removal.
Whatever punishment a court applies is up to that court and of no concern to me. After removal, my next focus is the replacment of those persons with someone deserving of the trust of the public.
How this got started is irrelevant. The issue of dishonest officials is the purpose of this whole investigation.
Time Traveler
September 16, 2008 10:20 AM
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While not opposed to Tic Tocs postings, as lively as they may be, I am not Tic Toc.
We tend to have a different approach to our posts in case you haven't noticed. If there is a post signed Time Traveler and it's not me, I'll be sure to let you know.
Time Traveler
Did anybody see Dumberg (I meant Thunberg) on TV last night running his mouth about hydrogen rail? What a weasel. When the you-know-what hits the fan with the police chief he's nowhere to be seen and happy to let Rader get TV time. But when it comes to one of his pet projects he's all over it. I'll say it again - spineless weasel.
I guess, technically, the "stall" would be considered Maia Setzer since she's the one the board put in "charge" of the investigation. Didn't Green say Setzer had the initial investigation in hand?
They protected Smith by ostensibly taking this mess off his plate. Never mind that it is not lost on the rest of us that here’s a guy who wasn’t good enough to be given town manager after McLean left, and wasn’t good enough to be given it when Justice left, and wasn’t good enough to be in charge of the Crone mess. Sooooo, they propped up Maia Setzer, knowing (sigh of relief on their part) that she’s due to be gone for about a month straight and “Oh, dear me” can’t return calls or emails or whatever simple stuff you gotta do to keep audits and investigations rolling. Worse part? If it wasn't for this blog, their trick would have worked. As it stands, their trick is now a noose around their own necks tightening with the passing of each day.
Hey Harold did you really put Cliff H and class in the same sentence????? Your 118 year old ass is more senile then we all thought. Who are you voting for in the next ToM elections?? Oh yea thats right you live in Statesville. Your opinion means nothing.
Well, well, well, NUMB NUTS, since you seem to admire my husbands body part, I guess I can comment on yours. You and your ilk seem to be interested in our body parts. You gave me such a giggle. Are you jealous of his good looks, at 118 years of age, or are your sights only on his toush. I guess if it is the latter, I could call you a deviate. Hmmmm, I shall have to think about that.
Oh, another thought; are you jealous and afraid of his genius. He has proven he had the facts about the corruption, in the beautiful town of Mooresville, which entailed days and weeks of research at home and at the Town Hall. I’ll bet you could never have found the discrepancies, You wouldn’t listen and the lethargy of most citizens did nothing to support us. He still kept digging because he cared about the citizens and he could see where the Town was heading. He even had an interview with Garry Frank and supplied him with all the data he needed to bring criminal charges against some of the prior/present commissioner(s).
Well, Frank/Roberta (?) (whomever) have I said enough, to let you know how proud I am of my fearless and honest husband who gave up about 3 years of his retirement to fight for the citizens of Mooresville and regardless of where we live we will continue as best we can to help protect those same citizens.
Kay
Well, well, well, NUMB NUTS, since you seem to admire my husbands body part, I guess I can comment on yours. You and your ilk seem to be interested in our body parts. You gave me such a giggle. Are you jealous of his good looks, at 118 years of age, or are your sights only on his toush. I guess if it is the latter, I could call you a deviate. Hmmmm, I shall have to think about that.
Oh, another thought; are you jealous and afraid of his genius. He has proven he had the facts about the corruption, in the beautiful town of Mooresville, which entailed days and weeks of research at home and at the Town Hall. I’ll bet you could never have found the discrepancies, You wouldn’t listen and the lethargy of most citizens did nothing to support us. He still kept digging because he cared about the citizens and he could see where the Town was heading. He even had an interview with Garry Frank and supplied him with all the data he needed to bring criminal charges against some of the prior/present commissioner(s).
Well, Frank/Roberta (?) (whomever) have I said enough, to let you know how proud I am of my fearless and honest husband who gave up about 3 years of his retirement to fight for the citizens of Mooresville and regardless of where we live we will continue as best we can to help protect those same citizens.
Kay
Sorry didn't mean to repeat myself, but, you might learn something if you read it twice.
As far as Cliff H. is concerned, he is a gentleman of first class and unlike you would not hide under anonymous.
Have a good day.
Kay
So, the Koolaid Lady is rearing her ugly little head again to shoot darts at the Salisburies. What? Making fun of children wasn't enough? Now you're poking fun at another treasured segment of our community, our senior citizens? Nice going. I'll bet your senior citizen mother and father would be really proud of you.
No schoolyard insults will stop the tide of justice that is coming to you and your friends. If I were you I'd be looking for some shelter.
I don't know how much "class" Cliff Homesley's got, but one thing I know is he's got balls of steel.
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