Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” - Martin Luther King, Jr.

Friday, October 17, 2008

Getting Back to Basics

Wednesday night’s “town hall meeting” was an eye opening experience – in many ways.

From fraternizing with developers to the treatment of the town’s elderly and special-needs population – mingled, of course, with lively discussion about some of the town’s more controversial issues – the meeting offered citizens a rare opportunity to speak casually, yet candidly, with their elected representatives.

Two commissioners – Ward 4 Commissioner Chris Carney and At-Large Commissioner Miles Atkins - turned out for the three-hour-long informal meeting, organized by Rev. Larry Green and attended by about a dozen local residents, including Iredell County Commissioner Ken Robertson. Green said every commissioner except Thurman Houston responded in some way to his invitation. Mitch Abraham and Mac Herring said they had previously-scheduled plans, and Frank Rader didn’t respond to Green but told the Charlotte Observer that he wouldn’t attend. Mayor Bill Thunberg, said Green, didn’t respond to the invitation at all.

And that’s unfortunate because even though I wasn’t sure what to expect from the meeting – or if it would be fruitful or productive at all – the free flow of information and the uninhibited exchange of ideas was unlike anything we have ever witnessed in Mooresville before.

I left the meeting with fresh insight. Perhaps the most compelling impression that the meeting left on me was that our town and its government is headed in the right direction. It is progress, not perfection, that we expect. And as long as elected officials are talking to us, and listening to us, we’ll continue to move in that direction.

The open dialogue that transpired at the meeting reminded me of the original purpose of my blog – and it highlighted for me just how far some have strayed from that purpose.

I am a fervent believer in the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, and I staunchly defend people’s right to speak freely – even when their speech displeases me, and even when their words stand in opposition to everything in which I believe.

Commissioner Atkins and his wife, Kim, have been heavily criticized in the comments section of my blog since last week when the Mooresville Downtown Commission announced that it had hired Kim Atkins to serve as its executive director. I have no problem with people questioning public officials, doubting their motives and/or intentions, and holding them accountable for their actions.

What I do have a problem with is this: Despite sustained attacks on this blog against Atkins and his wife, when he stepped out of Town Hall and sat down willing to face his critics on Wednesday, only one person confronted him about his potential influence over his wife’s hiring. That one person: local attorney Cliff Homesley.

Homesley pointedly asked Atkins if at any time during the hiring process he had discussed his wife’s candidacy with other government officials or MDC board members.

“I have had no contact even with fellow commissioners,” Atkins said. “I’ve had some talk to me, but I have refrained.”

It appears, however, that at least two elected officials did not “refrain” from attempting to interfere in the process. In fact, those two individuals apparently threatened to withdraw the town’s funding of the MDC if it hired Kim Atkins as the new executive director.

Atkins neither confirmed nor denied the information, but he said that since his wife’s hiring he has heard that some of his fellow elected officials were “really opposed” to her hiring.

Carney, however, stated that members of the MDC board of directors approached him, concerned about their funding from the town. He said they asked him if the funds would be “at risk” if they hired Atkins as the executive director “because they had heard that from other elected officials.”

Carney acknowledged that he warned the MDC board members upon their selection of Atkins that “they better be sure their policies and procedures were in place.”

He told those in attendance at Wednesday night’s meeting that it was improper for commissioners to have spoken for the entire town board and to have threatened to pull an organization’s funding.

Carney explained that town commissioners earlier this year agreed to fund the MDC as long as the organization met certain goals that it spelled out in a three-year business plan that was shared with town commissioners in budget talks this year.

Homesley also pointed out that Carney’s brother, Robby, was recently hired as the existing industry and marketing manager of the Mooresville-South Iredell Economic Development Corporation – an organization that, not unlike the MDC, receives annual funding from the Town of Mooresville.

County Commissioner Ken Robertson chimed in, denying that government agencies “play favorites” with family members of public officials. “They actually get scrutinized more,” he said, because of precisely what is happening right now to the MDC. “The employers are afraid they’ll be accused of cronyism,” Robertson said.

Sometimes, he said, that means the employer will “work twice as hard” to find a reason not to hire the family member.

And the government official, Robertson said, “is scrutinized only because they are related to someone who is trying to maximize their value in this world.”

Said Atkins: “I hope that people will get to know Kim and myself. She is accountable to her board as I am accountable to you as your public servant.

“She has to stand on her own as a professional,” he said.

Simple, straightforward questions. Simple, straightforward answers. A free-flowing exchange of ideas and opinions. That's what Wednesday night’s meeting proved is possible.

It’s also what my blog is about.

Let me make something clear: My reporting is about principles, not personalities. And I expect out of others what I expect out of myself -- that any criticism will be relevant, well-founded and factual. If I ever fail in that, I ask that you hold me accountable for it.

I created my blog just over seven months ago to foster open, uncensored dialogue among and between the residents of Mooresville, southern Iredell County and beyond about issues that are important to us.

At times, certain readers have used my blog as a conduit for outright lies about me and other private citizens. One example: an innocent joke by a reader was turned into an accusation that I was having an extramarital affair … without regard for the fact that my husband, my two young daughters … my mother … all read my blog.

One reader has repeatedly called for investigations of private citizens, including me, accusing us of having “skeletons in our closets,” always stopping short, however, of disclosing just what those skeletons are.

I have even been accused of being “on welfare.” Though I see no shame in human beings who fall on hard times and need a little help, the fact remains that my husband and I chose to make financial sacrifices in order for me to be at home with our children while he earns our living … and pays our taxes.

Many readers who have signed their names to their comments, and others who are simply mentioned in my posts or readers’ comments, have been randomly grouped together despite the fact that some of us would not know each other if we ran into one another in the grocery store.

One reader wrote obscenities and attributed them to me and other community activists. Other readers have gone so far as to ridicule peoples’ appearances, their body shape, their national origin and their religious beliefs. They have stooped so low as to use derogatory and vulgar terms such as “sheep,” “freaks,” and “retarded” to describe readers who have posted statements that are critical of government officials.

I agree with one reader who pointed out that in our system, there is a fundamental distinction between public officials and private citizens. When it comes to criticism, public officials are fair game. Private citizens are not. Why? Because public officials are public officials by choice. If they don’t relish scrutiny and exposure, they can rescind their status, reverting back to being a private citizen. Private citizens don’t have that luxury; they can’t “rescind” their status as a private citizen.

The long and the short of it is this: Like many of you, I have been appalled by the hateful content of some comments that have been posted on my blog. Countless people have contacted me, beseeching me to censor such comments. But I have refused to do so. My loyalty to freedom of speech easily trumps any hurt feelings which may result from someone’s words.

However, I call on those of you who have committed to joining me in my “mission” to refrain from engaging with those whose sole purpose is clearly to personally attack others – that includes private citizens and public officials alike. This does not preclude legitimate, factual and pertinent criticism of public officials.

Let's get back to basics. In the coming days, I plan to post several different topics that were discussed at Wednesday night’s meeting. I will provide a brief synopsis of what was discussed, and, as always, I welcome and encourage your voice in the ensuing discussions and debate.

Among the issues that will be posted:

  • Town commissioners and town staff fraternizing with developers
  • What ever happened to the town-hall protestors’ demands for the assistant town manager’s firing? Does the town really need an assistant-town-manager position?
  • The town’s hiring of engineering firm CH2M Hill for the expansion of the wastewater treatment plant
  • The ever-controversial question: Should Iredell County’s two school districts merge?
  • Town employees’ use of the municipal golf course

53 comments:

Anonymous said...

Yeah Jaime! I second your motion!!

Anonymous said...

WOW, I agree with you 100%. I am so tired with all the negativity and downright hateful comments. Thank you so much.
WELL DONE :)

Anonymous said...

Bravo Jaime!!! I have been so disgusted with the negativism and personal attacks that I seldom read all the comments. Let's hope those who choose this forum to release their vitriolic remarks will step aside so that those of us who truly want a place for free speech will feel okay to do so. I don't know or care who these people are, but it has become a place for those people to attack each other, and cetainly has strayed from the purpose for which it was originally intended. Let's all get Back to Basics

Anonymous said...

Nice article, but the Cliff Homesly questioning of Atkins was all show. The Homesley's and Atkins are friends. I have a hard time thinking that the exchange was not previously rehearsed. I think people did not want to go to the meeting because it was really just a rehearsed play.

Jaime, it is amazing that you choose to now speak out against all the negativity. You did not say word one all summer long while it was running rampant against those that you, Atkins, the Dare Cop and Fariba don't like. Once the negativity turned on one of your own, you feel compelled to speak out.

Again, nice article, but I don't buy your lines about the negativity. Where have you been with all of Tic Toc's vitriole?

Anonymous said...

I agree with Jaime....... I love you too pumpkin... nite nite now
Tic Toc

Anonymous said...

Jaime, as usual you have stated the situtation quite well.

It always puzzles me when the vitriolic remarks come from folks that hide behind anonymous. If they really wanted to be heard they should publish their name.

Anonymous said...

Gosh Amighty!!!!!!!!!!! 12 people what a turn out of a town of 24-25,000.
Probably at least one family was fromut side of the city limits.

Anonymous said...

How many diciples did jesus have? Anyone want to help me out?


My god, would you just give up already, its overd

Anonymous said...

• vitriolic •

Printable Version Pronunciation: vit-ree-ah-lik • Hear it!

Part of Speech: Adjective

Meaning: 1. (Literally) Containing or similar to sulfuric acid or any of the metal sulfates. 2. (Figuratively) Extremely caustic, scathing, filled with rage and abasement often accompanied by profanity.

Notes: Today's Good Word comes from the noun vitriol which once was the name for metal sulfates including sulfuric (vitriolic) acid, hence the caustic flavor of its current meaning. To add sulfates to a compound is to vitriolate it. The spelling and pronunciation of this word are rather straightforward; just remember the accented O.

In Play: Few things can raise this kind of emotion more than money: "Their divorce was a long, bitter and vitriolic one because a large fortune was at stake." However, money is not the only thing that unleashes vitriol: "Jess Newcomb's vitriolic attack on his neighbor for playing loud music late at night was grossly disproportionate to the misdeed."

Word History: Today's Good Word comes from Latin vitreolus "of glass, like glass, glassy", the adjective of vitrum "glass". So, how did we get from "glass" to "vitriolic", you may wish to ask. For the answer to this question, we have to go back farther than glass. The original meaning of vitrum was "woad" (related to weed), a plant from which Romans derived blue dye. Since Roman glass had a bluish tint, the word for "woad" was used for glass. In the Germanic languages vitriol was borrowed to refer to acid, a glassy, transparent liquid; hence vitreolus had an appropriate sense. However, acid is also caustic and it is in that sense we use vitriolic today.




"Jess Newcomb's vitriolic attack on his neighbor for playing loud music late at night was grossly disproportionate to the misdeed."



I would say that I am not being vitriolic enough, in regards to RedCrone and company, they are still walking the street aren't they, but I will tone it down a notch..... but only 1.

A proportional response would and should be much more grand for class C FELON'S MISDEEDS, I mean these guys are not really your average class C Rapist either, these brain surgeons are creative CON MEN!

Anonymous said...

12 people showing up for the meeting is indicative of today's society. When addressing issues of public concern, you must dismiss those who are;
part of the misconduct,
those who are too busy with their personal problems,
those who are concerned but don't want to endure the inevitable repurcussions that result from trying to do right,
those who aren't able to attend because of job security and...
those who are apathetic.

12 people out of 24,000 is about right. There will be others who will join the openly vocal group as it becomes "more popular" to do so.

As for the negativity, I agree that it is counterproductive and will refrain from responding to any of the provovative comments that are sure to continue in the future.

Time Traveler

Anonymous said...

Maybe you feel that all the questions regarding using taxpayere money to hire Kim Atkins as Director of the MDC have been answered. Personally I don't think so. In my opinion the MDC has lost a huge amount of credability in the community over this. Several steps that could help mend these fences have been outlined in other post but I'm sensing that the MDC has chosed to stonewall this situation. We have not heard anything from Amons, it's chairman for several days and now we get this whitewash job performed by Atkins and Homely and chronicled by Gatton. Pretty thinly veiled I think. Nevertheless, the credability of the MDC and the Atkins will remain tarnished until these questions are answered. If the MDC feel they have to answer to the public then I for one say suspend payment of the Town's grant until they do. Of course they can choose not to. That is their choice. But please don't ask me to support them with my tax money until they convince everyone they are spendning it prudently and with the Town's best interest in mind. Maybe they will choose to increase the downtown property tax and cut their ties with the Town. That seems reasonable if they insist operating with public money behind closed doors.

Anonymous said...

Time Traveler,
Does that mean that you will stop calling people jackass? I hate to say this, but Jaime was referring to you too.

Anonymous said...

It is weird to me how all of a sudden people are concerned about the taxpayer investment to the MDC. Where were all of you voices of reason for the past 20 or so years when Wayne was at the helm? I'm all about the questions being answered and from what I've read here, everybody at the MDC is trying to answer the questions and has opened their door for people to go to their meetings and ask any question they want. Maybe you would rather post your frustrations here rather than going to a downtown meeting and asking the questions yourself, but then that wouldn't make you any different that the story "chronicled" by Gatton today. If you have questions, go ask them. Godspeed. Come back here and let's discuss what you found out. I think that was the whole point of today's post.

Anonymous said...

Ok 10:00 am get a life! You just had to start by being negative and once again bringing others into the show. Were you at the meeting? How do you know it was all show?
I believe that Jaime is very open minded and writes about both sides of the story. Start your own blog and get off this one if you don't like what it has to offer.

Anonymous said...

Dear 1:49, what a fabulous positive post yours is.

Anonymous said...

Great post Jamie! I have been so put off by the negativism and personal attacks that I rarely read the comments. I can't wait to read your upcoming posts as you get back to basics!

Anonymous said...

Jamie, let's face it, it's really hard not to respond to somebody who says mean things, and it's probably unrealistic for us to think that people will refrain from responding all the time.Just look at how quick the negativity started here in this thread. This post is great but it will probably be like a new car or marriage-the warm and fuzzy feelings will wear off fast.
I think I have an idea. Is anyone else willing to help me be the Comment Cop or the Post Patrol? I think for those of us who can stomach some of the negativity that is sure to come back, we can be sure to check in every other day or so and make sure there's not a spitting match going on. If there is, we just right something like "Principles NOT Personalities" (That's my favorite thing that this article said).
I'm sure there are other ideas too, but it's going to take more than one person's help. There's one job requirement - stick-to-it-edness.
This will help to remind us to stay on topic, kind of like wrapping a bow around our finger to remind us about something.Maybe it sounds dumb.I'm in the mood to give people the benefit of the doubt today, especially after reading this post, so I'm going to say that some people really want to be a part of the discussion and be heard but they just get distracted sometimes and run out of arguements so they start attacking.Sometimes maybe they just need to be reminded like the rest of us that this is a discussion not a fight.
What do you all think? Is anybody willing to help or do you have other ideas to keep ourselves and others on track here? It might not work but its worth a shot.

Anonymous said...

I think that it is rather untimely that all of a sudden people are asking to end the personal attacks. We witnessed massive character assassinations all summer long that Jaime triggered. No one spoke up. Then, when it turned on one of Jaime's good friends she all of a sudden has had enough of personal attacks?

How many times did people come on this blog over the summer begging for the character attacks to end only to be ridiculed and spoken to with profanity? What did Jaime do then? Write more stories to increase the attacks.

Sorry. I'm not buying into that.

Jaime and Atkins made that bed and now they must sleep in it.

Anonymous said...

Dear 4:03,

This will be lengthy.

Ms. Gatton very clearly stated in this article that government officials are fair game for criticism. Mr. Atkins is a government official. There is a big difference between criticism of someone's job as a government official and personal attacks against private citizens.

Ms. Gatton did not defend Mr. Atkins in this post. The only thing that was said regarding the comments against Mr. Atkins was that for all the noise being made by certain people that were commenting, only one person confronted Mr. Atkins. The rest of Ms. Gatton's post was asking private citizens to stop attacking one another personally.

Never before have I read where Ms. Gatton has ridiculed a government official for their appearance, their home life, their religion, etc. If I'm wrong, please point it out to me where she did. No, Ms. Gatton did not interject herself when the comments were derogatory about people. She also did not interject when the comments were derogatory about her. In my opinion, she acted fairly.

Is her timing of this article suspect? As your posts show, it can certainly be argued that it was. My personal take on it however was that Ms. Gatton went to a meeting where government officials conversed with their consituents and it made her realize that her blog was not accomplishing what she had set out to accomplish. It is also worth mentioning that Ms. Gatton is intelligent enough to have realized, before publishing this post, that you would interpret it as a defense of Mr. Atkins. Apparently Ms. Gatton has nothing to hide and is not shying away from the criticism that is sure to come.

Forgive me for saying it but it seems as though you are the only person who cannot let go of this bone. You have repeatedly come into these forums only to post about some relationship between Ms. Gatton and Mr. Atkins and others as if there is something wrong with them being friends. I do not know if they are friends, nor do I care. You and I obviously differ in that respect.

Ms. Gatton has provided a platform for you to vent your frustrations and for the most part I do not think you cross the line of personal attacks. Of course, I may define personal attacks differently than other people.

Ms. Gatton has criticized government officials many times, and she has a right to do so-as you and I do. I believe she's simply asking us to keep the criticism on point and to stop making personal attacks against private citizens. She never tried to suppress criticism of government officials, in fact, she encouraged it.

That is just my opinion, and I hope you'll take it for what it is worth.

Anonymous said...

I'll be a Comment Cop! Love it!!!!

Anonymous said...

Any post that is made for the purpose of identifying misconduct by officials is going to be attacked as well as the person who posted it. That is how I eventually got dragged into several verbal altercations with some people who weren't discussing and dissagreeing, just attacking.

If you'll notice, sometimes the attacks aren't immediate. There is a dissagreeing comment or two that gets you into an exchange and then the attack starts. By that time, you are already engaged so you continue on.

Great intentions with the comment cop deal, but the only way the discussion will remain focused is if the personal attacks are ignored. Or when a discussion turns thoughtless and hateful, just don't answer no matter how bad the heckling gets.

The people who have been purposely causing problems on here have put a great deal of effort into drawing people out. As 3:39 pointed out it is hard not to reply to some of the low brow tactics that are used to disrupt discussion.

I repeatedly used the term jackass to describe some of the posters on here. These are people I tried to be decent to and discuss differences with only to recieve a bunch af agitating crap in return. I still can't think of more suiting terminology to describe them, but that is what they wanted me to do.

Remember this; They want the good people to look bad.

The people that are on here for the sole purpose of disruption are doing so to try to protect themselves, so let it go.

We all know the process is working. Town Hall might be dragging it's feet on getting it done and releasing information, but it is in motion.

There is a behind the scenes movement of guilty parties who are doing everything in their power to stop or at least slow down the inevitable. They can't change the facts so they are trying to discredit and attack the messengers. You can't blame them for trying.

If they can get the good people to look bad they can hide in the crowd. Right now the Gatton team has them treed and spotlighted.

And to those who make the comments about the small group that is the Gatton team, hunting parties usually aren't that big. But like in this hunt, the game is on the run.

Time Traveler

Anonymous said...

12 or was it 11 or 10 who attended, about a dozen..............that is the most significant 'comment' on this 'forum'.

Anonymous said...

4:03, just a point of clarification - Jaime doesn't sleep. :)

Anonymous said...

I have people tell me they leave this town because it cost to much to live here, rent, and the dumbness of the leaders, nothing to do for the youth. the crimes are cover up all over the town,and good people get hassel.The cops aren't trained to do the easy things.No body wants to pay for not keeping their mouth shut.

Anonymous said...

You lost me on the "No body wants to pay for not keeping their mouth shut."

Anonymous said...

Time Traveler:
Who are you(or any of you) to say who is or isn't a jackass? Normal is a relative term depending on many factors in a persons development,socioeconomic background,etc. I choose not to allow any human now living to be my moral compass, but rather the Bible. In order to have a good conscience one must first learn to listen to it, don't you agree so I propose instead of laying that burden on any one individual we all police ourselves.

Anonymous said...

12:44:

After writing a well thought out post at 5:16 I had hoped to inspire others to respond accordingly. Instead I recieve a tongue lashing for my past use of the term jackass to describe the behavior of those who's only purpose is to disrupt the quality of this BLOG.

You say, "Normal is a relative term depending on many factors in a persons development,socioeconomic background,etc."

I understand "normal" as it applies to many things, especially Christianity. The "normal" Christian responds as you have; completely forsaking the entire message and focusing on a single word in order to fabricate a reason to climb up on a pedestal.

To say that normal is relative in the context that you have is to say that right and wrong vary depend on who you are, where you came from and what you have been through.

Anyone, regardless of their background who would dwell in the background on this BLOG for the sole purpose of being disruptive and mean is much worse than a jackass. I was being polite. This applies regardless of where they grew up or what happened to them during the course of their lifetime.

If you use the bible as a moral compass as you claim you do, then you would know the difference between those who have limited intellectual developement due to circumstances and those who take pleasure in being intentially hateful and cruel. You would also know that Jesus and his disciples did not hesitate to point out and chastise those were evil in their intentions. Nor did they allow someone a pass when they were unrepentant and perpetually mean of heart.

Jesus called a woman a dog (Matthew 15:26) when all she did was plead that he heal her daughter. He did this solely because she was a Gentile. Does that make him predgidous?

There has always been a division of right and wrong, at that time it was considered wrong for him to help a Gentile since he was sent to save the people of Isreal. (After ignoring her and then calling her a dog, he did help her as she made a good point and had complete faith.)

Being a Christian we are supposed to be Christlike, living by the example that he set while on this earth. Jesus wasn't a wimp or a pushover and he got angry many times. When he did, he had no hesitation in saying what needed to be said.

Let's read that again; Being a Christian we are supposed to be Christlike, living by the example that he set while on this earth. Jesus wasn't a wimp or a pushover and he got angry many times. When he did, he had no hesitation in saying what needed to be said.

You said, "I choose not to allow any human now living to be my moral compass, but rather the Bible."

As I said in an earlier post, your moral compass (the bible) is full of comparisons of animals to people with undesireable traits.

A jackass is a stubbern, uncooperative, self-serving, hard-headed animal that only takes it's own needs and desires into consideration. A jackass will only give in to someone after being dragged or beat across the backside. You can't reason with a jackass, because they have no logic to reason with. Their only focus in life is what they desire.

You also stated, "I propose instead of laying that burden on any one individual we all police ourselves."

So let me get this straight; you think we should all police ourselves AFTER you have climbed up on your self-made Christian pedestal and policed me.

Okay, starting.... NOW!

No wonder there is a half empty church on every corner. All the parts of the body of Christ are too busy inflicting pain on each other to serve God and do good in the world.

And yes I do agree that we should all listen to the message in the bible. However I think we should listen to all of it and not just the parts that suit our immediate needs as you did with my post.

Time Traveler

Anonymous said...

Time Traveler, I do hope you are turning a new leaf. You have called me a jackass numerous times when I have posted very calm thought out posts. Perhaps the other posts have agitated you to the extreme and you lash out? Either way, I'm glad to hear that you will be refraining from that sort of activity in the future. No need to dwell on the past. Let's look to the future

Anonymous said...

10:25...

Opposing thoughts don't bother me unless someone has totally overlooked the obvious by picking out one portion of a post for the purpose of twisting the context into something that the original post did not contain.

When that is done, calm or not, my response has not always been that good.

To be quite honest, the intentional twisting of posts has ruined the effectiveness of the board. On the other hand, persons responding with contradictory facts encourage discussion and help with the investigative process and fact finding.

The posts that cause me to go on the offensive are those that are pure hate.

Or, those that are emotion based.

Emotion has no place in deciding right or wrong. Feelings should be considered, but right or wrong should be the presiding factor in determining facts and deciding the course of action needed to get things back on track.

There are several factors leading to chaos on this board. One of those is the hatred of those who are in line to recieve punishment for their actions.

Another is the emotional factor of those who are friends with the people that have been spotlighted on this board.

Both of these groups have become unreasonable and/or irrational in responding to posts.

Differences of opinions are great when backed by fact. Those fueled by hatred and emotion are worthless.

As for my responses in the past, when you wrestle with a pig you're gonna get dirty. No, I didn't call anyone a pig, just using the metaphore to explain how things come about.

To be honest with you I have become bored with trying to reason with the emotional and attempting to silence the hateful.

I've noticed that whenever I stepped out of the picture that they have simply turned to attacking others.

There also have been numerous times that I have been silent, only to get called out and back into the ring. There obviously are those who only want to keep the hatred and vileness in motion. And yes, they are jackasses for doing so.

Perhaps your past post was one of those that were emotion based, don't know. Anyway it is time to move on as you say.

Things are headed the right direction despite the verbal exchanges on this board.

Something I don't think anyone has considered; Those angry exchanges, although they took away from the topic at the time actually helped to fuel the fire and heat up the determination of each side and draw more public attention to the issues.

I prefer to have intelligent well thought out discussions of opposing viewpoints, but that would be a perfect scenerio. The fight for justice is never pretty or cordial. It comes at a price.

For that reason I won't apologize for past posts, only hope that future interactions will go more smoothly.

Time Traveler

Anonymous said...

Dear Time Traveler,

You wrote: "“Being a Christian we are supposed to be Christlike, living by the example that he set while on this earth. Jesus wasn't a wimp or a pushover and he got angry many times. When he did, he had no hesitation in saying what needed to be said.”

Thank you for pointing out the essential difference between a Christian and a Bible Thumper.

We must at time become wrathful when confronting clear injustice and corruption exhibited by those who continue to be unapologetic and unrepentant, and those who continue to support such injustice and corruption.

Anonymous said...

10:18 I did mean that you will pay for telling the truth.It gets turn around some how that the common people are wrong.

Anonymous said...

2:27...

Thanks for clarifying that. Now I understand. I agree that unless you have a position or money, your opinion doesn't matter and you will get mocked if you try to speak up.

Anonymous said...

time traveler:
sorry for the misunderstanding dear.(12:44)
I guess what I meant to sya and did so poorly was this:
I think most of us know the difference between right and wrong. We have all benn raised under different circumstances, so rather than having one individual responsible for being the police on the blog, why don't we all act as ladies and gentlemen and act as our own moral police. I didn't mean to infer that you wouldn't be a good one for the job.
After all, if we can't refrain from slinging mud at each other, let's at least stop it in it's tracks out of respect and appreciatio for Jamie, who is trying to maintain integrity here. Agreed by everyone?
sorry gal ;)

Anonymous said...

I think the last few posts from a very emotional person have proven the point. This is a blog after all where we can freely speak our minds. If you're going to let one comment tear at your core maybe you aren't stable enough or secure enough to be visiting the board. What you useto term something might mean the world is coming to an ed and in anothers eyes it's just like, whatever?
Understand? Don't have a nervous breakdown in public over it. Geez.

Anonymous said...

BTW, dear. I'm a preacher's kid. I don't need an interpretation of the Bible and I don't mean that in a vile or ugly way. I have been brought up reading and studying and I'm nearly 60 now. I also speak Hebrew. It simply means I have a good mind and can reason for myself.

Anonymous said...

Let me get this straight. From reading this article, it looks like Atkins did NOT call anybody on the MDC board or even talk to them about hiring his wife. Right?

BUT, it also looks like a couple other town officials DID get in touch with the MDC board and try to make darn sure she DIDN'T get the job. Right?

Okay, somebody correct me if I'm wrong. If it's wrong to throw your weight around to get somebody a job, isn't it just as wrong to throw your weight around to make sure somebody DOESN'T get that job? what's wrong with this picture?

Also, I want to know exactly who was throwing their weight around and why.

Anonymous said...

7:05, now who would be the emotional one?

Anonymous said...

responding to 10/19 at 7:45 PM
anyone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, the two that were not mentioned by name would be Mayor Bill Thunberg and at Large Commissioner Frank Rader.

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

Jamie, I share your joy in the opportunity to have an open and honest dialogue with our elected officials. During the meeting I was asked which officials responded to my invitation and I believe I said the following: Atkins, Carney, Herring, and Abraham. I should correct myself to clarify that Mr. Herring did NOT respond to the invitation, but contacted me via phone to clarify his statements made in the paper. So the only officials who responded to the invitation were Atkins, Carney, and Abraham.

Secondly, I continue to be concerned about the entire discusson on ethics related to our elected officials. While I agree that a code of ethics is necessary and a good place to start, there is no way that an ethics code can provide the "teeth" needed to remove someone from office for unethical behavior. The only remedy to that situation is a recall vote. Mr. Carney and I disagree vehemently about that issue, but it's OK that he's wrong (just teasing).

I still think we need a recall option and hope we get it some day.

Anonymous said...

8:55
chiiirrrrp ,chiiirrrppp

Anonymous said...

So Larry, where are you collecting signatures?
We need a physical site,not just the web. You also need some help. Got any troops?

Fieldstone Presbyterian Church said...

There are a few folks already circulating petitions, and you can download petitions from the cfrgm website. At this point, I need lots of troops who feel similarly and are willing to go door to door or set up a table and collect signatures. Anyone interested is more than welcome.

Thanks for asking.

Anonymous said...

I agree 100% that we need a recall option. And how arrogant are those officials who did not even respond to Larry Green. Those names I will remember.

Anonymous said...

There are many on here who make great posts and comments while dissagreeing with one another. Then there are others. Those others are whom I am speaking of in the following statements.

It is comical to look back over posts and see reactions and responses.

An attempt to answer briefly and honestly is met with more thoughtless rhetoric and attack.

A lengthy well thought out post is considered emotional.

A colorful response using slang to express your opinion of those who are unreasonable and without logic is followed by an accusation that you are unable to debate.

Then there are those who want to drag their interpretation of the bible into play, only to be offended when a responding poster does the same. It must be hard for those people to see the see the screen with thier nose in the air.

Posting comments on a public BLOG leaves one open to catch the frustrations and unhappiness of all who log in. It's just amazing to see how many different forms of personal unrest exist.

Since the name of this post is Getting Back To Basics, this is a good place to post a summation of those basics as they exist on this BLOG or probably all BLOGS for that matter.


Time Traveler

Anonymous said...

I rest in the comfort of knowing that the depths to which certain people will sink is directly proportional to the depth of their desperation to "save" themselves from further exposure and consequences of that exposure.

This blog has become the Great Equalizer and there are those who are extremely distraught over that simple little fact. Me? I am happy, because I am one of the many people in this town who don't take what doesn't belong to them.

Anonymous said...

8:55
Some are so insecure they require an explanation for every word which I am going to stop doing. I'll state my mind and if some here feel compelled to launch a daitribe then so be it. They can talk to themselves. I am not going to spend 3/4 of my time trying to appease time traveler while they are in this galaxy and on this board. If they don't like it, scroll over it. Period. That's what i do to tehir rants (tic toc, etc.) I'll say what I feel, I don't have to explain to you folks. So there. Deal with it. Or not. I don't care.

Anonymous said...

Time Traveler, do you see the irony of your last post? It's called Projection, a self-defense mechanism.

Anonymous said...

9:36 and 9:38...

I suggest you make posts using complete thoughts and sentences if you don't like to explain. If you are going to say something, say it. My request for explanation isn't about appeasement, it's about your inability to quit mumbling.

And there is no self defense mechanism contained in my post. It was a comment on the impossibility of avoiding an attack on this BLOG.

Of course it was responded to with a mindless tirade of how you weren't going to respond, followed by another stab concealed as a poor attempt at psycology. Thanks for proving my point.

If you are going to say something say it. If you don't want a response from someone, don't throw smart ass comments their way. It's all way more simple than you make it out to be.

Time Traveler

Anonymous said...

I don't stab, I have an M.A. in that area as well as a license from the state of N.C., you?

Anonymous said...

Time Traveler, you are pathetically insecure. You are an alter-ego of someone else on this board who normally responds to every jot and tittle people write. He normally dominates the conversation but of late it's been yourself...
A curious parallel indeed, it is.
You are a mere annoyance, someone who envisions themselves as being much more intelligent than you actually are and pompous to boot. It isn't even interesting to watch or hear the predictable answers anymore. Your answers aren't even those of a marginally educated individual yet you insist you're the epitome of brilliance. You remind me of Frank Rader.

Anonymous said...

Geez Louise, talk about EGO. Soooo, Time Traveller says something to your virtual self, and TWO DAYS LATER, you still gotta come in and get the last word, and then you've got the nerve to brag about your credentials. No "education" is a substitute for good old fashioned sense.

Your town is mired in corruption and controversy and you just can't drag yourself out of your own petty little self.

Anonymous said...

11:01 & 11:11...

You win.

Time Traveler

Anonymous said...

it is refreshing to see somebody put the greater good before themselves and their ego. this is what it is going to take for our community to get itself cleaned up. like Gatton said "principles before personalities."